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#1 May 06 2011 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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The toil index is rising. The toil index is a measure of how many hours the average joe needs to work in order to pay for (rent or own) an average home in a location with an average school district. Prior to the seventies the toil index was about 40 hours per month. Now it's 67. STORY

This is hardly surprising. House prices skyrocketed, wages didn't.

Why?

According to David Brancaccio
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.... it's about inequality, the widening gap between the wealthy and the rest. The wealthy push up house prices, the market follows, and wages are not really going up all that fast compared to the housing prices. So just to have an OK place to live in an OK school district, demands these longer hours of work.


The ol' widening income gap...again. What's up with that?

I'd heard this story this morning coming to work. Just now when I went to the web site to follow up some, this story caught my eye. It's about feeding the masses. It led me thinking about a world where the wealthy get to eat fresh, healthy organic food while the masses get pesticidal corn/soy food.

Anyway, it's Friday and my hubby is making me seafood linguine in a white wine sauce for dinner. Yummers. How much should I splurge on a bottle of wine - My range is between $8.00 and $25.00?



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Elinda wrote:

Anyway, it's Friday and my hubby is making me seafood linguine in a white wine sauce for dinner. Yummers. How much should I splurge on a bottle of wine - My range is between $8.00 and $25.00?


Wine to cook with, or drink? I don't care for the taste of wine personally, but my boss (who gives me cooking advice all the time... where I want it or not) says that the taste of a wine-based dish is directly reliant upon the taste of the wine used to make it. Crappy wine makes for a worse tasting dish.

No idea if it's true. Ick, wine.
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Edit: why did I think this was a Friday thread? I feel like ALma.

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While the taste of a wine does affect the final taste of the dish, the caveat I've heard for that is just to avoid the wines labeled "for cooking" as they are substantially lower quality, and just get a wine made for drinking of any cost. A $2.50 Charles Shaw wine from Trader Joes is better than a $10 bottle of "cooking wine."

Our personal rule for wines is that they should cost over $10 prior to any discounts, however.
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Elinda wrote:

Anyway, it's Friday and my hubby is making me seafood linguine in a white wine sauce for dinner. Yummers. How much should I splurge on a bottle of wine - My range is between $8.00 and $25.00?


Wine to cook with, or drink? I don't care for the taste of wine personally, but my boss (who gives me cooking advice all the time... where I want it or not) says that the taste of a wine-based dish is directly reliant upon the taste of the wine used to make it. Crappy wine makes for a worse tasting dish.

No idea if it's true. Ick, wine.
I need drink:D

After a bottle of wine has been open much more than a week - it becomes cooking wine. I believe the dregs left in the frig he'll be using to cook with is a Sauvignon blanc that was ok. If it was really good, I would have finished it.
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Why?

According to David Brancaccio
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.... it's about inequality, the widening gap between the wealthy and the rest. The wealthy push up house prices, the market follows, and wages are not really going up all that fast compared to the housing prices. So just to have an OK place to live in an OK school district, demands these longer hours of work.


The ol' widening income gap...again. What's up with that?

Is blaming everything on the wealthy becoming ubiquitous to anybody else? It's entered the same realm as "fact-checking" and "adult discussion" as a term that has lost all serious meaning in the political context.
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That's probably why the rest of us never addressed it and are talking about wine instead.
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Because no one gives a f'uck about your plans either.
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While the taste of a wine does affect the final taste of the dish, the caveat I've heard for that is just to avoid the wines labeled "for cooking" as they are substantially lower quality, and just get a wine made for drinking of any cost. A $2.50 Charles Shaw wine from Trader Joes is better than a $10 bottle of "cooking wine."

Our personal rule for wines is that they should cost over $10 prior to any discounts, however.

a)2 buck chuck is terrible. Don't drink it. Ever. Don't cook with it, either. It's a waste of $2.50.

b)"Cooking" wines are typically fortified with sodium. Their quality is low to start, but that is not the deal breaker. They alter the flavours with their salt content. They are not good for cooking.

c)California wineries making a blend not recognized by some trademark consortium must refer to that blend as a "table wine", red or white. Look for that distinction on the label. They are typically very drinkable and significantly cheaper than other offerings by quality winemakers. One that I use as a staple for cooking is Coppola's Rosso.

d)For the seafood, I would go with a Sauvignon Blanc. I prefer the drier white wines with a meal. As a result, I stay away from Chardonnay in most cases. My personal favourite is Cakebread.

Edited, May 6th 2011 9:51am by MoebiusLord
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Go for Thunderbird Wine. Its like a dollar a gallon.
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a)2 buck chuck is terrible. Don't drink it. Ever. Don't cook with it, either. It's a waste of $2.50.

b)"Cooking" wines are typically fortified with sodium. Their quality is low to start, but that is not the deal breaker. They alter the flavours with their salt content. They are not good for cooking.

c)California wineries making a blend not recognized by some trademark consortium must refer to that blend as a "table wine", red or white. Look for that distinction on the label. They are typically very drinkable and significantly cheaper than other offerings by quality winemakers. One that I use as a staple for cooking is Coppola's Rosso.

d)For the seafood, I would go with a Sauvignon Blanc. I prefer the drier white wines with a meal. As a result, I stay away from Chardonnay in most cases. My personal favourite is Cakebread.

Edited, May 6th 2011 9:51am by MoebiusLord
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Why?

According to David Brancaccio
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.... it's about inequality, the widening gap between the wealthy and the rest. The wealthy push up house prices, the market follows, and wages are not really going up all that fast compared to the housing prices. So just to have an OK place to live in an OK school district, demands these longer hours of work.


The ol' widening income gap...again. What's up with that?

Is blaming everything on the wealthy becoming ubiquitous to anybody else?
Yeah pretty much. The 'income gap' is not really disputable. The cause of it certainly is. If you're wealthy and can get wealthier - should you not?

In other words I'm not ready to place the blame on the wealthy for their getting richer.
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Because no one gives a f'uck about your plans either.
I enjoy shouting into the ether and the internet is a great place to do it. Much like you, I don't give a @#%^ about you not giving a @#%^. I truly empathize with your irascibility and general curmudgeon-ness. It's just that starting a livejournal or a blog takes effort.

A reply really isn't worth the effort as it would only result in a recursive not giving a **** that would break the forums.

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Napa valley puts out some good wine. But their good stuff is so expensive. Seems I can get a similar quality New Zealand or Aussie wine for much less.
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Sweetums wrote:
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I feel like ALma.

Because no one gives a f'uck about your plans either.
I enjoy shouting into the ether and the internet is a great place to do it. Much like you, I don't give a @#%^ about you not giving a @#%^. I truly empathize with your irascibility and general curmudgeon-ness. It's just that starting a livejournal or a blog takes effort.

A reply really isn't worth the effort as it would only result in a recursive not giving a @#%^ that would break the forums.

Edited, May 6th 2011 10:05am by Sweetums
And yet you replied none-the-less. This is why blogs don't fill the need. No one responds to them.
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Napa valley puts out some good wine. But their good stuff is so expensive. Seems I can get a similar quality New Zealand or Aussie wine for much less.

I don't drink Napa or Sonoma wines for value. Those that I drink I drink because they're f'ucking good. California value wines will come from the Central Coast region. They make some tasty stuff down there in the Monterrey to Santa Barbara stretch.

There are some decent Indian Ocean offerings. I drink Penfold's like it's going out of business. I'm sure there are better, that's just what we get. I imagine it's sort of like Stagg's Leap & Silver Oak making reds heads and shoulders above anything Mondavi turns out, but you're not likely to see them in the average Aussie wine shop.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Elinda wrote:

Anyway, it's Friday and my hubby is making me seafood linguine in a white wine sauce for dinner. Yummers. How much should I splurge on a bottle of wine - My range is between $8.00 and $25.00?


Wine to cook with, or drink? I don't care for the taste of wine personally, but my boss (who gives me cooking advice all the time... where I want it or not) says that the taste of a wine-based dish is directly reliant upon the taste of the wine used to make it. Crappy wine makes for a worse tasting dish.

No idea if it's true. Ick, wine.
How good wine tastes has more to do with how expensive it is then how it actually tastes.
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The ol' widening income gap...again. What's up with that?


Though it wasnt unique, the last 10 years of wealth redistribution have been utterly blatant and transparent.

After all do you all remember when teachers, public employees, middle class business owners and Joe Bloggs down the road crashed the stock market, wiped out half of your 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? Not to mention profited from wars all over the place that have cost you, the taxpayer in the region of $trillions? Yeah, me neither.

Enjoy your wine Smiley: smile

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While it's clear that housing costs have risen, I suspect that the rise of the "toil index" is as much or more affected by the rapid decline in the quality of our public schools as the increase in housing costs. What's happened is that in order to live in a "good" public school district, you have to live in a nicer part of town with more expensive homes than you did back in the 70s. The cost to rent an apartment in an urban neighborhood isn't much more expensive relatively speaking than it was 40 years ago. But the combination of failed public education policies and suburban flight has made the school districts in the areas with the highest population densities so horrifically bad that they fall right out of the criteria used in the index, thus dramatically skewing the results.

Eliminate the somewhat arbitrary requirement to live in a good public school district and I suspect that the numbers haven't changed much.
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Elinda wrote:

Anyway, it's Friday and my hubby is making me seafood linguine in a white wine sauce for dinner. Yummers. How much should I splurge on a bottle of wine - My range is between $8.00 and $25.00?


Wine to cook with, or drink? I don't care for the taste of wine personally, but my boss (who gives me cooking advice all the time... where I want it or not) says that the taste of a wine-based dish is directly reliant upon the taste of the wine used to make it. Crappy wine makes for a worse tasting dish.

No idea if it's true. Ick, wine.
How good wine tastes has more to do with how expensive it is then how it actually tastes.


I like cheap wine because I'm a cheap hussy. I usually get Yellow Tail.
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Lol. The two of them just can't help themselves, can they?
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I usually get a bottle of some local white for $12-15. Most often it's from Millbrook, being only a few miles away.
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I usually drink cheap stuff because the expensive stuff is really not much better. Wine connoisseurship is for the most part a hoity toity fairy tale. Barefoot and Gallo Family make some good cheap wines. I've even tried a number of boxed wines that are perfectly acceptable.

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In other words I'm not ready to place the blame on the wealthy for their getting richer.


Do you blame them for using their wealth and influence for perpetuating the systemic policies that ensure their continued wealth?

Personally I'm not one to blame anyone for anything, but I guess I appreciate the fine line between that and telling someone what is wrong with them.
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Well, I can tell the difference between a $5 bottle of wine and a $20 bottle of wine, but I can't tell the difference between a $20 bottle of wine and a $100 bottle of wine.

I prefer to get wines directly from wineries when possible anyway. You can get a tasting and "try before you buy" - I've had some pretty awesome and random wines, including one just last month that tasted exactly like a vegetable cracker. You also get a cheaper price, since there's no shipping costs or distributor/store markups.
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