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#27 Apr 21 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:

It is that simple. When I give a crap, I buy raw ingredients and COOK. Flour, hormone riddled eggs & chicken, E coli contaminated vegetables; when I take them home, wash them, mix them together in the prescribed ratios and voila! I have a healthy meal and a happy family.
Yeah, I cook for my family too. It's not really that unusual. More unusual, a little over a decade ago I made my family burgers with meat bought that day from the local grocery store. My husband go very sick. It was confirmed to be E.coli. Nursing a grown man who can't control either ends of his digestive system is not fun. Besides, he nearly died. I'm responsible as I didn't burn the burger (we had to report the case to DHS who confirmed it was the grocery store hamburger). But heck I grew up on meat my dad and uncles slaughtered themselves - we ate burger raw. This is when I started to look for alternatives to the grocery store.

Personal stories aside, do you think food producers should have no government oversight?
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F'uck 'em if they can't be bothered to inform themselves.
So, you're ok with public eduation?




Edited, Apr 21st 2011 6:44pm by Elinda
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#28 Apr 21 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Yeah, I cook for my family too. It's not really that unusual. More unusual, a little over a decade ago I made my family burgers with meat bought that day from the local grocery store. My husband go very sick. It was confirmed to be E.coli. Nursing a grown man who can't control either ends of his digestive system is not fun. Besides, he nearly died. I'm responsible as I didn't burn the burger (we had to report the case to DHS who confirmed it was the grocery store hamburger). But heck I grew up on meat my dad and uncles slaughtered themselves - we ate burger raw. This is when I started to look for alternatives to the grocery store.

Personal stories aside, do you think food producers should have no government oversight?


The E. coli in ground meat is just one of the many reasons that we should be irradiating meat in this country (though I would rather see a return to pastured meats). Irradiation has had more safety testing than all other processing combined. It is completely safe and extremely effective.


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#29 Apr 21 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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I tried the link to the article in the original post. It took me to a signup page.

The name of the article is Reclaiming the Politics of Freedom. Here is another link - not sure if it will work different or better or whatever.
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#30 Apr 21 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
The E. coli in ground meat is just one of the many reasons that we should be irradiating meat in this country (though I would rather see a return to pastured meats). Irradiation has had more safety testing than all other processing combined. It is completely safe and extremely effective.


Mmmm...irradiated meat. Lemme just pop a couple Rad-X. Smiley: drool2
#31 Apr 21 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Personal stories aside, do you think food producers should have no government oversight?

I think that food producers already had oversight in Tort & Contract Law.
Elinda wrote:
Moe wrote:
F'uck 'em if they can't be bothered to inform themselves.
So, you're ok with public eduation?

I'm ok with an educated public. I think public schools should be scrapped or privatized. Barring that, it's another area that the Federal government has no business sticking its nose in.

EDIT: Just an aside, I grind my own beef and eat rare burgers. No E coli for me.

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 12:10pm by MoebiusLord
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#32 Apr 21 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Personal stories aside, do you think food producers should have no government oversight?

I think that food producers already had oversight in Tort & Contract Law.
I take that as a 'no'. If they meat producers ***** up we sue them and they change their practices...yeah, I can see that working.

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So, you're ok with public eduation?[/quote]
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I'm ok with an educated public. I think public schools should be scrapped or privatized. Barring that, it's another area that the Federal government has no business sticking its nose in.
Keep the ghetto folk ignorant and they'll never complain about the lack of decent food available to them.





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#33 Apr 21 2011 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Personal stories aside, do you think food producers should have no government oversight?

I think that food producers already had oversight in Tort & Contract Law.
Elinda wrote:
Moe wrote:
F'uck 'em if they can't be bothered to inform themselves.
So, you're ok with public eduation?

I'm ok with an educated public. I think public schools should be scrapped or privatized. Barring that, it's another area that the Federal government has no business sticking its nose in.

EDIT: Just an aside, I grind my own beef and eat rare burgers. No E coli for me.

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 12:10pm by MoebiusLord
I think you're full of ****, but that's old news eh.
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#34 Apr 21 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Humans are disgusting and far too numerous, corporations have too much power, most people don't care enough about it or aren't aware of it, the corporate world will do everything in its power to ***** the people over if it means profit, and politicians are doing nothing about it. These are all platitudinal. I'm a Marxist, so to me the argument is valid, but Moe is right by calling its base fallacious. I'm surprised he attacked the fallacy first instead of attacking The Nation. All that being said, what is the point of this thread?
#35 Apr 21 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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lilwoc,

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No you're not. You just think you're cool for saying so.

#36 Apr 21 2011 at 11:50 AM Rating: Default
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LeWoVoc wrote:
All that being said, what is the point of this thread?
What's the point of another pretentious punk commenting in a pointless thread?

Can't you see Moe's **** is full?
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#37varusword75, Posted: Apr 21 2011 at 11:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Moe,
#38 Apr 21 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
And I grow my own vegetables so essentially i'm eating fresh vegetables just about year round.


Fun fact: their photosynthesis is powered by his own smug sense of self-satisfaction. It's 100% renewable.
#39 Apr 21 2011 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I take that as a 'no'. If they meat producers ***** up we sue them and they change their practices...yeah, I can see that working.

You can take it however you like. The fact is that the oversight you and your ilk clamor for is a recent construct. People have relied on farmers/food producers for centuries. Profit was, is, and will be the motivator for quality products.
Elinda wrote:
Keep the ghetto folk ignorant and they'll never complain about the lack of decent food available to them.

Your assumption that accommodation could not, or would not, be made highlights your ignorance.


And as to you thinking I'm full of sh:t, I can't imagine why. There's no reason not to grind your own beef. It takes mere minutes to grind out a pound of beef for burgers that tastes better and is healthier than what I would get at the grocery store. There's also no reason not to make your own pasta, even if you don't have a roller. It all goes back to laziness and people's priorities being reflected in their choices.
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#40 Apr 21 2011 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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If I didn't live in the city
Ha ha.
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#41 Apr 21 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
All that being said, what is the point of this thread?
What's the point of another pretentious punk commenting in a pointless thread?

Can't you see Moe's **** is full?

If it's full, you're being lazy again. It's not going to suck itself, sweetheart.
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#42 Apr 21 2011 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
If I didn't live in the city

Don't worry, you don't.
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#43 Apr 21 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
LeWoVoc wrote:
All that being said, what is the point of this thread?
What's the point of another pretentious punk commenting in a pointless thread?

Can't you see Moe's **** is full?

If it's full, you're being lazy again. It's not going to suck itself, sweetheart.
I'm a good at delegating unpleasant tasks.

I don't think you intentionally draw in these young pompous boys with your overbearing testosterone. Still it's annoying. Stop it.
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#44 Apr 21 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
varusword75 wrote:
If I didn't live in the city

Don't worry, you don't.
Omg you don't. The City resides up on the 16th floor and beyond. In the city the taxi-drivers honk their horns ALL night. In the city parking costs hundreds of dollars. In the city there are so many intermingled smells you don't know whether to salivate, throw up or run away. The City has no fewer than 5 Starbucks/acre (but they all have wifi!). In the city all shoes have gum stuck on the bottom.

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#45 Apr 21 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
lilwoc,

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No you're not. You just think you're cool for saying so.

Well, who knows better than varus? I'm sure your readings on Marx have sharpened your sense of discrimination in this field. Since you decided to pipe up, how does it feel to have a faction of socialists in your town?

Elinda, I'm not showing up to say "this is pointless." I'm trying to figure out the point. If you assert that there is no point, then color me pretentious.

Edit: Varus, what part of Knoxville qualifies as "city," exactly?

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 1:42pm by LeWoVoc
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#47 Apr 21 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
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I'm wondering how humanity survived before health insurance, tract housing and electricity.


They died an early and painful death.

Fun!!

My neighbors who were farmers and due to poor income (farming does not pay) would supplement their "meals" with lots of wild game. Farming is back breaking work and farmers tend to have large families (large free workforce).

Before health insurance, the medical industry was poorly regulated so of course, people who had no formal medical training were practicing medicine (amputation via hack saw ftw)

We're fat not just because of foods we eat (the meals of the past were equally fatty) but because we are less mobile. We aren't pulling plows, riding bikes or walking to the neighbors to share tea.
It doesn't seem to be a new idea either because if you notice paintings fo aristocracy or royalty from the pas, they are FAT - they didn't have MCDonalds, they were inactive.
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#48 Apr 21 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Default
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niobia wrote:
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SwiftAusterity wrote:
I'm wondering how humanity survived before health insurance, tract housing and electricity.


They died an early and painful death.

Fun!!

My neighbors who were farmers and due to poor income (farming does not pay) would supplement their "meals" with lots of wild game. Farming is back breaking work and farmers tend to have large families (large free workforce).

Before health insurance, the medical industry was poorly regulated so of course, people who had no formal medical training were practicing medicine (amputation via hack saw ftw)

We're fat not just because of foods we eat (the meals of the past were equally fatty) but because we are less mobile. We aren't pulling plows, riding bikes or walking to the neighbors to share tea.
It doesn't seem to be a new idea either because if you notice paintings fo aristocracy or royalty from the pas, they are FAT - they didn't have MCDonalds, they were inactive.
No. We now consume orders of magnitude more refined sugar than we ever did pre-food factories. While inactivity is certainly a risk factor it's not the biggest risk factor. Ask any dietitian how to lose weight and they'll tell you to consume fewer calories.
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#49varusword75, Posted: Apr 21 2011 at 2:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lilwoc,
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Elinda,

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While inactivity is certainly a risk factor it's not the biggest risk factor. Ask any dietitian how to lose weight and they'll tell you to consume fewer calories.


and ask any athlete and they'll say run.

#51 Apr 21 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
lilwoc,

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Varus, what part of Knoxville qualifies as "city," exactly?


Only a mile and a half from downtown.

I can hear the crowd at neyland stadium clearly from my backyard.

H*ll if you're downtown on a weekend you might see me there jogging with my dog.

Come see me play in Market Square some time. I'll play a backwoods country song just for you. I wouldn't exactly call the area a city, though. The presence of black people does not automatically imply a city environment, and just because it's relatively more city-esque than the rest of the area does not make it even minorly comparable to any real metropolis.
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