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#1 Apr 15 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Arizona Legislature approved a bill Thursday night that would require presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names could be placed on a state ballot.

The so-called "birther bill" got final approval by a vote of 40 to 16 in the state House, according to the website for the Arizona State Legislature.

The bill's author, Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel, a Republican, has repeatedly said the bill is not targeted at President Barack Obama.

"It's not about that," Seel said. "It's about future elections and maintaining the integrity of the Constitution."


I thought the Constitution gave Congress the ability to investigate this? Oh well, birtherism is back in the headlines, and Varus should be happy!
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#2 Apr 15 2011 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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It technically does target Obama as he would likely run for reelection. Then we can all go on and on about useless topics on the news again instead of talking about actual issues facing us. like we do now! hawhaw.
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#3 Apr 15 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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I don't get it. Arizona has no jurisdiction over non-Arizonians.
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#4 Apr 15 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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And with that, Arizona takes a commanding lead over Texas as the dumbest state in the US.
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I don't get it. Arizona has no jurisdiction over non-Arizonians.


I'm not positive, but I assume they do have the final say over who they put on their ballot, correct? Like how Stephen Colbert ran in 2008, but only got on the ballot in S.C.

Of course, that's a little silly, as the certificate of live birth from Hawaii passes the government's requirements for proving citizenship.

And slight edit: it isn't passed until the governor signs it, technically. It passed their legislature 40-16.
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Seems a bit petty, but eh. They should extend it to any elected position so we're not stuck with true fiascos like Schwarzenegger again.
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You people really don't realize the extent of the gop landslides last fall do you? States have this right and they won't be the only. No matter how much Obama and the left want this issue to disappear, and marginalize anyone who discusses it, it's simply not going away.
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The text is a pretty neat read: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/hb2177s.pdf

Starts on page 3 and goes to page 4. Basically says "You need a long-form birth certificate or GTFO."
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certificate of live birth from Hawaii


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His online Certification of Live Birth is a document that has been obtained for babies not born in Hawaii, because the state's loose laws required only a declaration by a family member or witness in the case of unattended births.


The newspaper notices of birth that she cited, several days after the birth, were generated automatically by the state health department and were given to the newspapers, which did not independently check them. The notice would have been generated by the system should someone have registered Barack Obama's birth in Hawaii, whether he was born there or not.


The president has declined – and has fought in court – efforts to obtain access to his college records, Punahou records, records as an Illinois state lawmaker, college application and financial aid information records, other college records, adoption records and others.

Little information has been revealed about his travels, including his time spent in Pakistan.


Even the marriage and divorce records for his mother have not been released.


Read more: Obama's half-sister joins eligibility talk-show tour http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=286353#ixzz1JbJBRU80



I'm sorry but you don't fight to have all your records sealed, and I mean all of them from birth to college to state lawmaker, unless you have something to hide.

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For what it's worth, I really don't care whether it passes or not. Its already too late for it to kick Obama out, and even if it prevents him from the next election ... well, that's the next election. The only next issue I have with the elections is Trump, so we'll see when that comes around. Like I said earlier, they should just make it all encompassing to prevent real fiascos, like Arnie.

Really a shame though. Here's my tax dollars paying for people to complain over two different birth certificates.
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I'm sorry but you don't fight to have all your records sealed, and I mean all of them from birth to college to state lawmaker, unless you have something to hide.


Working in a University, I can tell you for a fact that all records on admissions, applications, and financial aid are naturally sealed - the only person able to access them is the actual person OR a legal guardian with signed permission. I'd say something like "You really can't be this dumb"... but you are.
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The president has declined – and has fought in court – efforts to obtain access to his college records, Punahou records, records as an Illinois state lawmaker, college application and financial aid information records, other college records, adoption records and others.


None of which should be public knowledge anyway.
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For what it's worth, I really don't care whether it passes or not. Its already too late for it to kick Obama out, and even if it prevents him from the next election ... well, that's the next election.

If he chooses not to prove his citizenship in AZ to be on the ballot, it will call in to question his entire first term, potentially invalidating anything he signed during his time in office. There would surely be court challenges to everything passed that would have a good chance of succeeding if he didn't choose to provide the required documentation. If he provided the documentation after ignoring AZ and subjecting people to this garbage for all this time I'd look the other way while he got his *** kicked.
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The president has declined – and has fought in court – efforts to obtain access to his college records, Punahou records, records as an Illinois state lawmaker, college application and financial aid information records, other college records, adoption records and others.


None of which should be public knowledge anyway.

Sorry, but anyone who wants to lead the country should have their whole life examined under a microscope.
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No doubt it would, and what a wonderful use of money that would be.
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States can make ballot rules such as number of signatures required, etc so it stands to reason that this doesn't violate the Constitution or anything. Not that I think Obama can't comply, but I would laugh my *** off if he just said "Pfftt... I'm not getting AZ's electoral votes anyway."

Speaking of, state presidential elections are really just decisions on electoral college participants. Technically, you could put anyone in the Democratic slot and, if he won, have the state's EC delegation cast their votes for Obama. That's be pretty funny as well.

Realistically, he'll provide some sort of qualifying information.
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So basically your evidence that Obama was born in Africa consists of the fact that his aunt (grandmother) said he was born in Africa (Hawaii), and because he is a liar (black)?
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#18SwiftAusterity, Posted: Apr 15 2011 at 8:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Come on, you don't actually need to prove your side of an argument. Just prevent the opposite side from disproving it. how do you think religions have survived this long
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Come on, you don't actually need to prove your side of an argument. Just prevent the opposite side from disproving it. how do you think religions have survived this long


Are you some ******* child of Alma's, or did you just discover that you can change the colors of the words in your post?

Edited, Apr 15th 2011 9:45am by Belkira
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Seems a bit petty, but eh. They should extend it to any elected position so we're not stuck with true fiascos like Schwarzenegger again.
Derr, the constitution only says the pres has to be born in the US. There have been a whole bevy of foreign born govs.

Or are you saying that foreigners aren't capable of running a government as well as someone born in the us? Simply making the statement proves it false....if you're a born and bred USA'er.
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
So basically your evidence that Obama was born in Africa consists of the fact that his aunt (grandmother) said he was born in Africa (Hawaii), and because he is a liar (black)?
..and he's a dirty liberal.
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My signature has pretty much been the same on this board the entire time. (which admittedly has only been a month or so)

Additionally I've been using similar forum code for years that allowed font color changes.

You could, if you figured it out, use the "invisible" color ANSI code on my MUD as far back as 1998 to make "hidden" text which you had to have a similarly secret "see hidden text" option enabled to see on the other end.

So yeah, I've been using and enabling people to use "invisible" text online for over a decade.
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
So basically your evidence that Obama was born in Africa consists of the fact that his aunt (grandmother) said he was born in Africa (Hawaii), and because he is a liar (black)?
..and he's a dirty liberal.


I mentioned liar ;)
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Nah, just really saying if we're gonna get picky, let's get picky. The whole "Must be 100% US in every conceivable way to be President" never made much sense to me to begin with, as there really are no US people. We're a nation of mutts, you know. Just a fight both sides are butting heads over and wasting money that could be better used arguing over ... I don't know, sugar substitutes.

(Also: I never like Arnold Schwarzenegger.)

Edited, Apr 15th 2011 10:54am by lolgaxe
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My signature has pretty much been the same on this board the entire time. (which admittedly has only been a month or so)

Additionally I've been using similar forum code for years that allowed font color changes.

You could, if you figured it out, use the "invisible" color ANSI code on my MUD as far back as 1998 to make "hidden" text which you had to have a similarly secret "see hidden text" option enabled to see on the other end.

So yeah, I've been using and enabling people to use "invisible" text online for over a decade.


You do realize that there's not one forum skin that everyone uses. Really, it just looks stupid on the skin I'm using.
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It's hidden to me, that's all I care about ;)

It has once again served it's purpose as well, which is described in my posting location text.
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