Belkira wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where I can't peaceably assemble at a funeral of a serviceman. That's ridiculous.
I don't want to live in a country where people think it's ok to peaceably assemble at a funeral of anyone. That's ridiculous.
Belkira wrote:
The majority is in favor of same-sex marriage.
Here's the thing about polls and statistics, you can make them reveal whatever you want. Let's look at this from a logical prospective. Roughly half of the U.S is either a Republican or a Democrat. Majority of all Republicans do NOT support changing the definition of marriage from a "man and a woman". Not every Democrat supports that change and MANY of the ones who do support it, openly admits of not personally supporting it, but only so for some political reasons. Unless you can deny those facts, then it is evident that most of the country supports marriage being between a man and a woman.
Belkira wrote:
The majority support a repeal of DADT. And, since you want to narrowly define support as being only the military for some reason (oh, I know the reason, it's the only thing that supports your emotional claim) I don't have the link, but I recall from the last million page thread that outside of the Marines, support for repealing DADT was the majority in the military.
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Read above. Statistics can be read however you choose them to be. If you remember, I took that survey and the response supporting the repeal was stated as "having neutral, positive, or mixed feelings". I would argue that most of the people have "mixed" feelings, which was rolled together with "positive". Although I've only been in 4 years, I've never been in an environment where servicemen were actually FOR it.
Elinda wrote:
We disallow peacable assembly all over the place because allowing it infringes on the rights of others. You can't gather for tea in the middle of an intersection. You can't have a music jam outside a hospital, you can't give swimming lessons in the city fountain, etc, etc.
The funeral-goers have rights too.
Exactly...
We have to get out of this childish belief of being able to appeal to everyone, because it is literally impossible. Going back to the identity thing, "we" have to put our foot down and say "You are not allowed to assemble at a funeral, period".
Belkira wrote:
The majority of people were not in support of abolishing slavery at the time it was done.
From what I understand in this thread, you want the US to be run by mob rule. Interesting. And idiotic.
Well your understanding is incorrect, read below.
Almalieque wrote:
That's my whole point. Make a solid stance in what "we" believe in and make consistent laws with that. Don't change stuff just because a population feels otherwise, unless there is legitimate justification.
Elinda wrote:
I don't like to quash free-speech, but I'm also unwilling to simply stand back and let the loudest voice rue the day. As our world gets more and more crowded, in order to keep any sort of peace, prosperity and goodwill within our communities there will need to be more and more restrictions on how, when and where we'll allowed to interact with others.
This also...
Kavekk wrote:
Does it have to? Does it really have to? Really, does it have to?
Really?
Yes it does, yes it does, it really does...
Belkira wrote:
Well, so is pretending you had no idea I was talking about peaceable assembly when referencing "free speech." I wasn't going to say anything, though.
Because you're using the phrase "freedom of speech" in a very loose/inclusive/open way, so it can "be" anything, while Elinda is using it in a very specific way. You have the FREEDOM OF SPEECH to say the things being said at the funeral, no one is denying you that right. You do not have the right to disturb a funeral saying those things.
This isn't about freedom of speech, but about disturbance. If you argue otherwise, why are they at the funeral in the first place? Why not just throw up a blog on the Internet, submit a news article or do News interview where much more people could potentially hear/read their message? Their purpose is not to get the word out, but to disturb the funeral, plain and simple.
