Nilatai wrote:
He would and has.
Edited, May 25th 2011 6:22pm by Nilatai
Edited, May 25th 2011 6:22pm by Nilatai
I wouldn't and I haven't.
·Theme
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- SERVE
SERVEFollow
I wouldn't and I haven't.
gbaji wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
As far as DADT goes, it was an archaic piece of legislation. It had it's day in the Sun and now it's dead. Good riddance if you ask me. All that should enter your mind is if the man standing next to you is a good soldier, and if he has your back. If he has yours, you should have his.
Has it occurred to you that the reason you accept the very statistics Alma disagrees with is because those statistics support a position you already hold? And isn't that exactly what you said Alma would do if the situation were reversed? The point I'm making is that for you the situation is reversed and you are exhibiting exactly the same behavior you predicted (and attacked) Alma for.
Pot... Kettle. That's all I'm saying.
Edited, May 25th 2011 3:32pm by gbaji
Alma doesn't just disagree with the statistics, he assumes they must be flawed because he doesn't agree with them.
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
As far as DADT goes, it was an archaic piece of legislation. It had it's day in the Sun and now it's dead. Good riddance if you ask me. All that should enter your mind is if the man standing next to you is a good soldier, and if he has your back. If he has yours, you should have his.
Has it occurred to you that the reason you accept the very statistics Alma disagrees with is because those statistics support a position you already hold? And isn't that exactly what you said Alma would do if the situation were reversed? The point I'm making is that for you the situation is reversed and you are exhibiting exactly the same behavior you predicted (and attacked) Alma for.
Pot... Kettle. That's all I'm saying.
Edited, May 25th 2011 3:32pm by gbaji
Alma doesn't just disagree with the statistics, he assumes they must be flawed because he doesn't agree with them.
I disagree with the statistics based on reality. Actions speak louder than words. Besides, my point wasn't focused on that the stats are "wrong", but the fact that 1000 random people do not necessarily represent the U.S. opinion on something. If a larger number was conducted with the same result, I would be more willing to accept it.
Given so, your claim of me only denying the stat because of the result is completely false.
Has anyone mentioned DADT is gone?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Has anyone mentioned DADT is gone?
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
Oh, no that's not what I said at all. I said that he wouldn't have any problem presenting statistics that he were inaccurate if they supported his position.
No. You said that he wouldn't be so vocal in his opposition to the statistics if they said something he agreed with. I can quote you again if you want.
Quote:
Alma doesn't just disagree with the statistics, he assumes they must be flawed because he doesn't agree with them.
Yes. And you speculated that if he agreed with them, he wouldn't argue that the statistics were flawed. Which is *exactly* what you are doing, right? You agree with what the statistics say and you aren't arguing that they are flawed. Surely you can see how you are doing exactly what you speculated that Alma would do if the situation were reversed.
My point is that the same argument can be made in both directions. Anyone can claim that someone's agreement or disagreement with the methodology of a survey is biased by their own position on the issue being surveyed about. It's a meaningless argument by itself.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Nilatai wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Has anyone mentioned DADT is gone?
All right! One step closer to integrated male/female showers/rooms!!
gbaji wrote:
You said that he wouldn't be so vocal in his opposition to the statistics if they said something he agreed with
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Almalieque wrote:
All right! One step closer to integrated male/female showers/rooms!!
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
gbaji wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Oh, no that's not what I said at all. I said that he wouldn't have any problem presenting statistics that he were inaccurate if they supported his position.
No. You said that he wouldn't be so vocal in his opposition to the statistics if they said something he agreed with. I can quote you again if you want.
gbaji wrote:
Quote:
Alma doesn't just disagree with the statistics, he assumes they must be flawed because he doesn't agree with them.
Yes. And you speculated that if he agreed with them, he wouldn't argue that the statistics were flawed. Which is *exactly* what you are doing, right? You agree with what the statistics say and you aren't arguing that they are flawed. Surely you can see how you are doing exactly what you speculated that Alma would do if the situation were reversed.
gbaji wrote:
My point is that the same argument can be made in both directions. Anyone can claim that someone's agreement or disagreement with the methodology of a survey is biased by their own position on the issue being surveyed about. It's a meaningless argument by itself.
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
#437Almalieque,
Posted: May 25 2011 at 5:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The result doesn't matter, it's the procedure.
Must suck to not be able to hide your homophobia.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Must suck to not be able to hide your homophobia.
You mean HETERO-phobia..
Almalieque wrote:
The result doesn't matter, it's the procedure.
Edited, May 26th 2011 1:31am by Almalieque
Edited, May 26th 2011 1:31am by Almalieque
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
The result doesn't matter, it's the procedure.
Edited, May 26th 2011 1:31am by Almalieque
Edited, May 26th 2011 1:31am by Almalieque
Have you been paying attention at all? I've been suggesting alternatives from the beginning. Not only that, I even restated it like twice in the past 3 hours. Besides, I wasn't using stats.
Nilatai wrote:
Suggest an alternative. Or never use statistics in any argument ever again.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
bsphil wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Suggest an alternative. Or never use statistics in any argument ever again.
Not just that, it should represent the nation. If 75% of the nation is Republican, then so should be the poll's population, if you want a more accurate poll.
bsphil wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Suggest an alternative. Or never use statistics in any argument ever again.
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Suggest an alternative. Or never use statistics in any argument ever again.
Uh... the exact opposite. If you're going to poll a sample of people as a subset of a total population, then that subset should favor the total population. It's a really simple concept.
You do realise that would lead to more bias than random sampling, right?
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Nilatai wrote:
You do realise that would lead to more bias than random sampling, right?
No, it wont. That's why political polls now say "among likely voters". As I stated pages ago, there are pro's and con's to each form of sampling. There isn't no one best way of sampling, but for a polling like this, random isn't the right answer.
How do you not see that?
If you poll 1000 people on President Obama's approval and the majority of the poll consist of Democrats, his approval rating will be higher than if the majority poll consist of Republicans. The only way to get a fair observation of his approval rating is to have a poll closely relating to the actual population.
If your subset doesn't represent the total population, then the conclusion of that sample represents another population.
That's like asking 1000 people (750 men/250 women) on their opinion on who should pay for dates or any other relationship question. That's not a fair analysis. It doesn't necessarily have to be 50/50, but it should be as close to reality as possible. Else, you're just making conclusions from a made up population.
You're assuming that just because people all vote for the same political party they agree with everything that party does. Thus skewing opinion polls.
I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.
I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.
My Movember page
Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Almalieque wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Must suck to not be able to hide your homophobia.
You mean HETERO-phobia..
ITT: Alma admits he's afraid of straight women.
Nilatai wrote:
You're assuming that just because people all vote for the same political party they agree with everything that party does. Thus skewing opinion polls.
I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.
I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.
I wasn't making that assumption, I just figured that was common sense. That fact doesn't change my point. Creating a subset that replicates the total population isn't "skewing". Doing the exact opposite is "skewing", because your sample doesn't represent the population.
If you think otherwise, please explain your definition of "skewing". It doesn't matter if there exist women who agree that first dates should be financially split, if the women aren't given a fair chance to explain their opinion, then it isn't a realistic sample, hence making it worthless.
Almalieque wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
You're assuming that just because people all vote for the same political party they agree with everything that party does. Thus skewing opinion polls.
I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.
I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.
I wasn't making that assumption, I just figured that was common sense. That fact doesn't change my point. Creating a subset that replicates the total population isn't "skewing". Doing the exact opposite is "skewing", because your sample doesn't represent the population.
If you think otherwise, please explain your definition of "skewing". It doesn't matter if there exist women who agree that first dates should be financially split, if the women aren't given a fair chance to explain their opinion, then it isn't a realistic sample, hence making it worthless.
Hell, if you're going to do that, you might as well run two polls and filter the results to ONLY Republicans in one and ONLY Democrats in the other. Then just multiply the results by your perceived percentage of the public that you think Republicans and Democrats should be. If you think it's 75% republican and 25% democrat, then weight the republican votes by .75 and the democrat votes by .25. I mean shit if you're just going to make the poll up to suit your own ideology...
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Recent Visitors: 292
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (292)
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- SERVE
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC