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#377 Apr 30 2011 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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Not only is the general public ignorant on issues, but they are also fickle. I doubt any government can function properly actively addressing everyone's concerns as they want to believe the government is.
Which would be the same with my company analogy. Doesn't change the fact that you're all accountable to the population. They can only be ignored for so long.
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#378 Apr 30 2011 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
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Being fickle, and having the freedom to be so, is the corner stone of democracy. If the public weren't fickle then having elections every few years would be an entirely pointless endeavour.
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#379 Apr 30 2011 at 7:43 AM Rating: Default
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Not only is the general public ignorant on issues, but they are also fickle. I doubt any government can function properly actively addressing everyone's concerns as they want to believe the government is.
Which would be the same with my company analogy. Doesn't change the fact that you're all accountable to the population. They can only be ignored for so long.


That's the thing, they aren't being ignored, just not fully attended to as they believe so. This goes back to the overall ignorance. People wont even realize it till after they stop caring about it, playing on them being fickle.

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Being fickle, and having the freedom to be so, is the corner stone of democracy. If the public weren't fickle then having elections every few years would be an entirely pointless endeavour.


I thought the whole reason for the 4 year elections were to prevent someone from having "too much rule".
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Being fickle, and having the freedom to be so, is the corner stone of democracy. If the public weren't fickle then having elections every few years would be an entirely pointless endeavour.


I thought the whole reason for the 4 year elections were to prevent someone from having "too much rule".
Sure, but if the public weren't fickle and never changed it's mind (which, granted some people don't) then the same political party would always be in office. All you'd have to do would be to elect a new leader of the party every few years.
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#381Almalieque, Posted: Apr 30 2011 at 9:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't think so. I believe many voters don't even know what they are voting for or against. People vote for the lesser of two evils. If something happens, people automatically make false connections to the people they don't like. People vote for stuff that doesn't matter, like age, looks, sex and skin color.
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Like because you feel uncomfortable showering next to someone else?
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#383 Apr 30 2011 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think so. I believe many voters don't even know what they are voting for or against. People vote for the lesser of two evils. If something happens, people automatically make false connections to the people they don't like. People vote for stuff that doesn't matter, like age, looks, sex and skin colour.
Even so, they have that right. Just because they're voting based upon stupid stuff doesn't mean their vote shouldn't count. As far as DADT goes, it was an archaic piece of legislation. It had it's day in the Sun and now it's dead. Good riddance if you ask me. All that should enter your mind is if the man standing next to you is a good soldier, and if he has your back. If he has yours, you should have his. No homosexual pun intended there, I'm sure it could be taken that way.

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It's one thing to change your mind on certain issues, but that really isn't "fickle" in the way I'm referring to. If a political party "fails" the nation in 4 years, it is a legitimate reason to want to change the nation's leading political party. I don't consider that fickle. What I consider fickle is people making decisions off of emotions.
Making decisions off emotions? Like your position on SSM, abortions and gays in the military, you mean?
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#384 Apr 30 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Default
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Only if you think sex segregation is based on emotions, then yes, just like the rest of the entire world.
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No, you're NOT going to start the absolutely moronic debate on gays, military and showering again.
#386Almalieque, Posted: Apr 30 2011 at 11:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'll love to hear you state my positions on those topics, especially abortion since it's been at least a year since I mentioned my argument on abortion. Clearly you're just attaching fictional arguments to those debates because you refuse to accept that people can be against those things without emotion.
#387 Apr 30 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...
#388 Apr 30 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...


If that were the case, we wouldn't have an infantry or any combat arms. I love Combat Support and Combat Service Support, but don't think we can win a war without Combat Arms. Jus' sayin'.

Edit: or Chiefs of staffs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2011 8:17pm by Almalieque
#389 Apr 30 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...


If that were the case, we wouldn't have an infantry or any combat arms. I love Combat Support and Combat Service Support, but don't think we can win a war without Combat Arms. Jus' sayin'.

Edit: or Chiefs of staffs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2011 8:17pm by Almalieque


Someone intelligent would step up.
#390 Apr 30 2011 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Someone intelligent would step up.
We call them NCOs.
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#391 Apr 30 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Default
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It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...


If that were the case, we wouldn't have an infantry or any combat arms. I love Combat Support and Combat Service Support, but don't think we can win a war without Combat Arms. Jus' sayin'.

Edit: or Chiefs of staffs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2011 8:17pm by Almalieque



Someone intelligent would step up.


Someone? You mean an entire new Combat Arms? Just because someone disagrees with your opinion of homosexuality in the military, it doesn't make them unintelligent. I sure hope you realize that.
#392 Apr 30 2011 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...


If that were the case, we wouldn't have an infantry or any combat arms. I love Combat Support and Combat Service Support, but don't think we can win a war without Combat Arms. Jus' sayin'.

Edit: or Chiefs of staffs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2011 8:17pm by Almalieque



Someone intelligent would step up.


Someone? You mean an entire new Combat Arms? Just because someone disagrees with your opinion of homosexuality in the military, it doesn't make them unintelligent. I sure hope you realize that.


Disagrees with my opinion, sure. But believes that allowing openly gay soldiers in the military will make it cease to function? That's what makes you unintelligent.
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It sounds like you're referencing to me, which is retarded as Ugly is the one who trolled that topic into this conversation.
Right, I'm the one who brought up DADT.
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#394 Apr 30 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, you're NOT going to start the absolutely moronic debate on gays, military and showering again.


It sounds like you're referencing to me, which is retarded as Ugly is the one who trolled that topic into this conversation.


You know what? It's not always about you, sweet cheeks.
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It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...


If that were the case, we wouldn't have an infantry or any combat arms. I love Combat Support and Combat Service Support, but don't think we can win a war without Combat Arms. Jus' sayin'.

Edit: or Chiefs of staffs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2011 8:17pm by Almalieque



Someone intelligent would step up.


Someone? You mean an entire new Combat Arms? Just because someone disagrees with your opinion of homosexuality in the military, it doesn't make them unintelligent. I sure hope you realize that.


But you just called them stupid yourself! Belkira said they should be kicked out for being retarded and then you said we wouldn't have an infantry or any other combat arms.
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#396 Apr 30 2011 at 3:21 PM Rating: Default
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No, you're NOT going to start the absolutely moronic debate on gays, military and showering again.


It sounds like you're referencing to me, which is retarded as Ugly is the one who trolled that topic into this conversation.


You know what? It's not always about you, sweet cheeks.


Hence the reason why I brought up the uncertainty.

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It's still scary to me that someone who thinks allowing gays to serve openly in the military will somehow make it stop functioning can tote a gun around in uniform and be part of said military. You'd think he could be kicked out for mental retardation or something...


If that were the case, we wouldn't have an infantry or any combat arms. I love Combat Support and Combat Service Support, but don't think we can win a war without Combat Arms. Jus' sayin'.

Edit: or Chiefs of staffs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2011 8:17pm by Almalieque



Someone intelligent would step up.


Someone? You mean an entire new Combat Arms? Just because someone disagrees with your opinion of homosexuality in the military, it doesn't make them unintelligent. I sure hope you realize that.


But you just called them stupid yourself! Belkira said they should be kicked out for being retarded and then you said we wouldn't have an infantry or any other combat arms.


/whoosh..
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How many different polls are going to represent "the first time"? That's what the previously quoted polls said.

I wanted to show the clip of **** Morris on The Factor explaining exactly what I've argued, but it doesn't appear to be a video on the net. I guess it wasn't popular enough. I did find an excerpt from his website though. I'm not arguing for/against his personal opinion on the subject matter, but only the concept of how polls should be conducted.

[quote=http://www.********************************************** Associated Press has released a survey, taken on May 5-9, 2011 to measure public approval of Obama after the killing of Osama bin Laden. The poll purports to show that the president’s job approval has soared to 60 percent. Don’t you believe it.

The AP sample contains twice as many Democrats as Republicans (35% Democrat vs. 18% Republican). While party identification is, itself, a variable to be determined by polling, the normal sample usually contains an approximately equal number of Democrats and Republicans. Lately, Republicans have actually been slightly in the plurality in most statistically valid samples.

This AP poll — with its 2:1 Democratic edge — is utter hogwash.

Even by the standards of AP’s previous polls, this sample doesn’t stand up. It is vastly more Democratic than any of the organization’s recent polls:

PARTY IDENTIFICATION IN AP POLLS
Democrat Republican
October, 2010 32% 25%
November, 2010 29% 24%
January, 2011 28% 25%
March, 2011 29% 20%
May, 2011 35% 18%

Of course, all of these AP polls reflect a decided pro-Democrat bias compared to most national survey findings. The Associated Press needs to search its soul — and consult with its polling company — to determine if this bias can be corrected.[/quote]

So, you and your friends can believe all you want that any random 1000 people accurately represents the U.S., but you're either in denial or in delusion. I don't care what the majority believes in, just don't tell me they that the believe in something if they don't purely for agenda purposes.
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What's funny is, I can't help but think you'd be singing a different tune if the shoe was on the other foot, Alma.
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#401 May 21 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Default
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What's funny is, I can't help but think you'd be singing a different tune if the shoe was on the other foot, Alma.


I'm arguing against misleading statistics. It doesn't matter what the topic is, it's wrong.
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