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#277 Apr 21 2011 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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When I got back from R E D A C T I went to McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's. Wendy's was the superior choice. Those new fries were amazing ... for a fast food franchise, that is.


Yes their new fries are the best fast food fries out there. I have abandoned my love for the Double Quarter pounder meal for the Baconator meal with fries at wendy's. The fries have hooked me.
Eh, I kind of liked Wendy's fries better before they were changed.
#278 Apr 21 2011 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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What's so good about Wendy's fries? I'm curious.
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#279 Apr 21 2011 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
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They changed the salt, I believe they now use sea salt. So much more tasty.

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#280 Apr 21 2011 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
What's so good about Wendy's fries? I'm curious.


Their new ones are skin on and seasoned with sea salt. I like them well enough, but they they already had the fast food fries to begin with, so I'm sure why they changed them.
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Hmm, not really convinced that sea salt is that significant of an improvement. Next time I get the chance I'll see for myself.
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#282 Apr 21 2011 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I rarely eat fast food, but I did have Wendy's recently and I was wholly unimpressed. The fries were plain-tasting and overly salty. I actually prefer the synthetic beef tallow flavoring of McDonald's fries, and whatever makes Chik-filA's waffle fries so good. My SO has actually never had Chik-filA. We tried to stop at one on a pass through St. Louis once but the GPS led us to a college campus ;/
#283 Apr 22 2011 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Hmm, not really convinced that sea salt is that significant of an improvement. Next time I get the chance I'll see for myself.


I believe that they also use more salt, which would improve the taste as that is what salt does. They are pretty good, but Wendy's has always had the best fast food fries.
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#284 Apr 22 2011 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
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whatever makes Chik-filA's waffle fries so good.


Peanut oil.
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#285 Apr 22 2011 at 6:04 AM Rating: Default
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if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

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Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
#286 Apr 22 2011 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
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if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

But if you need the last word, I can give it to you. just to make you feel a little bit better.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
More important than the sample size is how random you can truly make the sample and the number of responses from your sample. If you truly randomize your sample and get 100% response, you really wouldn't ever need more than 1000 samples no matter how large the population.
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#287 Apr 22 2011 at 7:33 AM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
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if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

But if you need the last word, I can give it to you. just to make you feel a little bit better.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
More important than the sample size is how random you can truly make the sample and the number of responses from your sample. If you truly randomize your sample and get 100% response, you really wouldn't ever need more than 1000 samples no matter how large the population.


You're absolutely correct, but that's under the assumption that your random selections are not heavily favorable in one way over the other. That's why I suggested taking in other factors for consideration such as "with replacements", "without replacements" or taking out the random factor all together.

The same people being polled on their opinion on rape would probably be consistent as it's evident that "most" people feel one way. That isn't the case for SSM, so the slightest bit of misrepresentation can and most likely will change your results. The ONLY way to counter that, under a random sample, is to increase the numbers. That's just plain math.
#288 Apr 22 2011 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

But if you need the last word, I can give it to you. just to make you feel a little bit better.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
More important than the sample size is how random you can truly make the sample and the number of responses from your sample. If you truly randomize your sample and get 100% response, you really wouldn't ever need more than 1000 samples no matter how large the population.


You're absolutely correct, but that's under the assumption that your random selections are not heavily favorable in one way over the other. That's why I suggested taking in other factors for consideration such as "with replacements", "without replacements" or taking out the random factor all together.

The same people being polled on their opinion on rape would probably be consistent as it's evident that "most" people feel one way. That isn't the case for SSM, so the slightest bit of misrepresentation can and most likely will change your results. The ONLY way to counter that, under a random sample, is to increase the numbers. That's just plain math.


Would asking more people do anything besides lowering the margin of error? The poll is showing that 51% support SSM, but the margin of error is 3.5%. That's with 1000 people. If you ask all 300,000,000 people, the results should (repeat, should) be the same within 3.5%, right? This is assuming that the exact same questions are asked.

If another poll is saying 51% of people don't support SSM, the result is the same due to the margin of error.

Edit: I'm not claiming that the majority is in favor, just that the poll result is valid.


Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 10:10am by Ailitardif
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#289 Apr 22 2011 at 8:30 AM Rating: Default
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

But if you need the last word, I can give it to you. just to make you feel a little bit better.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
More important than the sample size is how random you can truly make the sample and the number of responses from your sample. If you truly randomize your sample and get 100% response, you really wouldn't ever need more than 1000 samples no matter how large the population.


You're absolutely correct, but that's under the assumption that your random selections are not heavily favorable in one way over the other. That's why I suggested taking in other factors for consideration such as "with replacements", "without replacements" or taking out the random factor all together.

The same people being polled on their opinion on rape would probably be consistent as it's evident that "most" people feel one way. That isn't the case for SSM, so the slightest bit of misrepresentation can and most likely will change your results. The ONLY way to counter that, under a random sample, is to increase the numbers. That's just plain math.


Would asking more people do anything besides lowering the margin of error? The poll is showing that 51% support SSM, but the margin of error is 3.5%. That's with 1000 people. If you ask all 300,000,000 people, the results should (repeat, should) be the same within 3.5%, right? This is assuming that the exact same questions are asked.

If another poll is saying 51% of people don't support SSM, the result is the same due to the margin of error.

Edit: I'm not claiming that the majority is in favor, just that the poll result is valid.


Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 10:10am by Ailitardif


I'm not going to pretend to fully understand that process, but according to the link below, it isn't that trivial. There are much more factors involved in determining the margin of error. It supports the simple mathematical concept that if you're not using replacements, then the more people you use, the more likely you will have a fairer representation. It's a basic math concept.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error


Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 4:32pm by Almalieque
#290 Apr 22 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems like the basic concept is that the larger the sample size, the smaller the margin of error is.
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#291 Apr 22 2011 at 9:12 AM Rating: Default
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems like the basic concept is that the larger the sample size, the smaller the margin of error is.


I didn't read the whole thing either, but I assumed that was basic knowledge. The whole point of sampling is representing the entire population with a smaller population. The problem is, with random sampling, you're not guaranteed to get that representation. So the more people you sample, the closer you are to the full population, which by default is more representative, but not necessarily *accurate*. For example, 20 people is more representative than 10, but that doesn't mean 20 people accurately represent 300,000,000 people.
#292 Apr 22 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems like the basic concept is that the larger the sample size, the smaller the margin of error is.


I didn't read the whole thing either, but I assumed that was basic knowledge. The whole point of sampling is representing the entire population with a smaller population. The problem is, with random sampling, you're not guaranteed to get that representation. So the more people you sample, the closer you are to the full population, which by default is more representative, but not necessarily *accurate*. For example, 20 people is more representative than 10, but that doesn't mean 20 people accurately represent 300,000,000 people.


You are talking about a huge difference in margin of error here. 20 people wouldn't be good because the error would be close to 30%. 1000 people brings the error down to an acceptable level, that is why most polls use 1000 people as that is a number that is generally pretty close to the actual number.
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#293 Apr 22 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Default
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
I didn't read the whole thing, but it seems like the basic concept is that the larger the sample size, the smaller the margin of error is.


I didn't read the whole thing either, but I assumed that was basic knowledge. The whole point of sampling is representing the entire population with a smaller population. The problem is, with random sampling, you're not guaranteed to get that representation. So the more people you sample, the closer you are to the full population, which by default is more representative, but not necessarily *accurate*. For example, 20 people is more representative than 10, but that doesn't mean 20 people accurately represent 300,000,000 people.


You are talking about a huge difference in margin of error here. 20 people wouldn't be good because the error would be close to 30%. 1000 people brings the error down to an acceptable level, that is why most polls use 1000 people as that is a number that is generally pretty close to the actual number.


You misread my point. I was comparing 20 to 10. 20 is more representative than 10, but not necessarily more accurate. This is to show that a higher number is more representative, but not necessarily more accurate.

You're not guaranteed to get a fair representation on something so divided. It's not the number. Once again, 20 people probably represents the nation's opinion on certain topics with little error. The problem is getting a fair representation on a divided topic with such a small number.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 5:37pm by Almalieque
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Let's not derail this fast-food discussion with another stupid data analysis snooze-fest.

I tried Wendy's sea-salt fries and was not too impressed. Though this particular batch of fries tasted rather undercooked, like mostly-raw potato, and not very salty. I like *lots* of salt.
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#295 Apr 22 2011 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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You misread my point. I was comparing 20 to 10. 20 is more representative than 10, but not necessarily more accurate. This is to show that a higher number is more representative, but not necessarily more accurate.

You're not guaranteed to get a fair representation on something so divided. It's not the number. Once again, 20 people probably represents the nation's opinion on certain topics with little error. The problem is getting a fair representation on a divided topic with such a small number.

Your continuing ability to misunderstand and misrepresent solid, unchanging mathematical fact continues to amaze me.
#296 Apr 22 2011 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Let's not derail this fast-food discussion with another stupid data analysis snooze-fest.

I tried Wendy's sea-salt fries and was not too impressed. Though this particular batch of fries tasted rather undercooked, like mostly-raw potato, and not very salty. I like *lots* of salt.
Wendy's fries have never been able to touch MickeyD's.

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Majivo wrote:
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You misread my point. I was comparing 20 to 10. 20 is more representative than 10, but not necessarily more accurate. This is to show that a higher number is more representative, but not necessarily more accurate.

You're not guaranteed to get a fair representation on something so divided. It's not the number. Once again, 20 people probably represents the nation's opinion on certain topics with little error. The problem is getting a fair representation on a divided topic with such a small number.

Your continuing ability to misunderstand and misrepresent solid, unchanging mathematical fact continues to amaze me.


That's odd, I was pretty sure that 20 was greater than 10 and was a greater percentage for any number equal to or greater than 1. If you believe otherwise, I would love to see you prove it wrong. I don't even need to use my BS in mathematics to prove that wrong... The ball is now in your court..
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It is Fry day isn't it. (don't hate the messenger)


Oh I'm hating the messenger, all right. Smiley: mad

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#299 Apr 22 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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Almalieque wrote:
if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

But if you need the last word, I can give it to you. just to make you feel a little bit better.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
More important than the sample size is how random you can truly make the sample and the number of responses from your sample. If you truly randomize your sample and get 100% response, you really wouldn't ever need more than 1000 samples no matter how large the population.


You're absolutely correct, but that's under the assumption that your random selections are not heavily favorable in one way over the other. That's why I suggested taking in other factors for consideration such as "with replacements", "without replacements" or taking out the random factor all together.

The same people being polled on their opinion on rape would probably be consistent as it's evident that "most" people feel one way. That isn't the case for SSM, so the slightest bit of misrepresentation can and most likely will change your results. The ONLY way to counter that, under a random sample, is to increase the numbers. That's just plain math.
No, if you don't fix your bias error and simply increase the sample size you're going to get the same errors...but bigger.
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Elinda wrote:
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Almalieque wrote:
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Almalieque wrote:
if you want to know how the majority feels about something that is so evenly split, you're going to need more than 1,000 people, especially if it's truly random.
Nope.


Oh, well.. It's your denial.. I sourced it for you. So if you choose to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I choose to live in reality. I do find it quite hilarious that the person claiming that I don't know anything about samples in actuality didn't know anything about samples. I admit, you had me going at one point. I thought you actually knew what you were talking about in reference to samples, just confused on my point. Twas a nice run...

But if you need the last word, I can give it to you. just to make you feel a little bit better.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 2:05pm by Almalieque
More important than the sample size is how random you can truly make the sample and the number of responses from your sample. If you truly randomize your sample and get 100% response, you really wouldn't ever need more than 1000 samples no matter how large the population.


You're absolutely correct, but that's under the assumption that your random selections are not heavily favorable in one way over the other. That's why I suggested taking in other factors for consideration such as "with replacements", "without replacements" or taking out the random factor all together.

The same people being polled on their opinion on rape would probably be consistent as it's evident that "most" people feel one way. That isn't the case for SSM, so the slightest bit of misrepresentation can and most likely will change your results. The ONLY way to counter that, under a random sample, is to increase the numbers. That's just plain math.
No, if you don't fix your bias error and simply increase the sample size you're going to get the same errors...but bigger.


The "bias error" is coming from you being random. If you're random, there is a possibility that your sample is unintentional favoring. It's all in the link I quoted.The only way to fix it, is either not be random or add more numbers. There simply is no other way.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2011 6:30pm by Almalieque
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