Samira wrote:
My impression of the WBC is that they don't behave in a disruptive manner, other than holding signs that express extremely ugly opinions.
Hate to break up a good argument, but they have a right to do that, and no exception should be made to undermine that right.
Being there is disruptive, that's why they are there in the first place. Once again, why not blog about their cause or get a news interview or article? They aren't because their goal is to disrupt the funeral. No one is saying that they can't hold up signs, just not at the funeral. Go do it down the road. The people at the funeral also have a right to have a funeral without people disrupting it. If you can't see how that's a fair solution, then you have a personal motive.
I would wager that most of you all don't agree with that action, but are afraid that banning that will somehow affect other forms of freedom of speech. This goes back to my argument about SSM. If you are able to provide an exclusive self-sustaining argument for that action (which was done), then you can make the change while not affecting other forms of freedom of speech. Once again, you're pretending that we don't live in a world where we have restrictions on our speech, because we do. Our laws do not support us to be able say or do whatever we want, only within some form of reason.
Belkira wrote:
In other words, you know I'm right, but you've got an emotional argument to pretend that the numbers don't really say what you want them to say. A page right out of gbaji's book.
Talking to you is pointless. You ignore blatant evidence and make sh*t up. That, coupled with assumptions on what people really meant when answering a poll, is all you'll use to make up your mind. Heaven forbid you be shown actual numbers, because they don't matter.
It's very ironic and hilarious that you have the audacity to call anyone "emotional", you are by far the most emotional argumentative person on this forum. Like I said, I took the DoD survey and you're right, I don't know what people really meant, but guess what that means, neither do you. If you have a poorly worded option to include "positive, neutral or mixed", how can you claim anything?
Nice try, but I've been arguing against Internet sources for months now. First off, Most people don't search unbiasedly. Instead of searching "Same sex marriage U.S opinion", you would search "Majority of Americans Favor/support Same sex marriage", so of course you will receive sources supporting your claim. That doesn't make it the most accurate. All I can do is just google the opposite.
Secondly, examine the poll itself, who all was included? Did it include "majority of the U.S"? I doubt it as I don't recall ever participating in any such poll. That's why I said to look it at from a LOGICAL stand point.
Answer me this, do you or do you not agree with the logic that I presented about Republicans and Democrats? If not, tell me EXACTLY which part don't you believe in? Do you not believe that country is roughly divided into two parties? Do you not believe that MOST Republicans are AGAINST SSM? Do you not believe that not all Democrats support SSM? Do you not believe that there are some Democrats who only politically support SSM? Tell me which ones you disagree with?
It appears to me that you are the one ignoring the facts to stick to some random statistic based on emotion. Since you want numbers though, let me source you why your source is irrelevant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States wrote:
Public opinion on same-sex marriage in the United States has been tracked by polling data for well over a decade. As of the year 2010, polls provide differing answers to the question of how the majority of Americans view same-sex marriage, although it is clear that support for same-sex marriage has increased over the past decade.
When the Defense of Marriage Act was passed in 1996, only 25% of the American public supported same-sex marriage. Since that time, public opinion has gradually moved in the direction of greater support for same-sex marriage. An August 2010 CNN poll was the first national poll to show majority support for same-sex marriage, although other U.S. polls taken that year did not reflect majority support.[1]
Opposition to same-sex marriage is correlated with religious attendance, older age, Republican Party affiliation, and residence in the South and Midwest.[2][3] Support for same-sex marriage correlates with lack of religious affiliation, young age,[4] Democratic Party affiliation, and residence in the Northeast and on the West Coast.[3]
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POLLS in 2011
Public support for gay marriage continues to edge upward. A national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted 2/22/11 – 3/1/11 among 1,504 adults, finds about as many adults now favor (45%) as oppose (46%) allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally. In a Pew Research survey conducted in 2009, just 37% backed same-sex marriage while 54% were opposed. Opposition to same-sex marriage has declined by 19 percentage points since 1996, when 65% opposed gay marriage and only 27% were in favor. As has been the case since 1996, there is a wide partisan division on the question of same-sex marriage. Currently 57% of Democrats favor making it legal, while only 23% of Republicans agree. Independents (at 51% in favor) are more similar to Democrats than to Republicans, in part because 46% of Republican-leaning independents are supportive of same-sex marriage, along with 58% of independents who lean Democratic.[7]
A March 2011 telephone-survey of 1005 adults by ABC News and the Washington Post found that, for the first time, the majority of Americans favor gay marriage. 53 percent of those polled supported same-sex marriage while 44 percent remained opposed; support was highest among younger Americans and lower among conservatives, Republicans, and evangelicals. Pollster Gary Langster describes this as a "milestone result that caps a dramatic, long-term shift in public attitudes". From a low of 32 percent in a 2004 survey of registered voters, support for gay marriage has grown to 53 percent today. Forty-four percent are opposed, down 18 points from that 2004 survey. [8][9]
In March 2011, Democracy Corps conducted a survey of 1,000 likely 2012 election voters in 50 congressional districts considered political battlegrounds. It asked respondents to rate their feelings on the gay marriage issue on a 0-100 scale, with 100 being "very warm" or favorable feelings, and 0 being "very cold" or unfavorable feelings. 42% were on the "cool" or unfavorable side, and 35% were on the "warm" or favorable side.
1,000 adults DO NOT REPRESENT the majority of the nation. There are high schools with more people than that.
Are you ready to do this from a logical point now and not some random poll?
Edited, Apr 16th 2011 12:09pm by Almalieque Edited, Apr 16th 2011 12:11pm by Almalieque