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#452 May 26 2011 at 4:59 AM Rating: Default
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You're assuming that just because people all vote for the same political party they agree with everything that party does. Thus skewing opinion polls.

I'm going to say that's not the case. I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election here, and while I'm disappointed with their performance as part of the coalition government I still think their party is the best choice. However, I know many people who, in light of the same information I am privy to, are wary of voting for them again. Either way, we're still supporters of that party(as far as voting goes, as of the last election), and our opinions of them still differ.


I wasn't making that assumption, I just figured that was common sense. That fact doesn't change my point. Creating a subset that replicates the total population isn't "skewing". Doing the exact opposite is "skewing", because your sample doesn't represent the population.

If you think otherwise, please explain your definition of "skewing". It doesn't matter if there exist women who agree that first dates should be financially split, if the women aren't given a fair chance to explain their opinion, then it isn't a realistic sample, hence making it worthless.
You make an assumption on what the number of self-identifying republicans SHOULD be, then gear a poll to hit that benchmark, rather than just asking a bunch of people randomly.

Hell, if you're going to do that, you might as well run two polls and filter the results to ONLY Republicans in one and ONLY Democrats in the other. Then just multiply the results by your perceived percentage of the public that you think Republicans and Democrats should be. If you think it's 75% republican and 25% democrat, then weight the republican votes by .75 and the democrat votes by .25. I mean shit if you're just going to make the poll up to suit your own ideology...


Do you really not understand this? I DON'T care how Republicans/Democrats vote, they just have to be fairly represented. You are creating this false assumption that no one is making. If your sample does not accurately represent your population, then how can you get accurate results?

Why weigh it when you can just have a more balanced poll? All you have to do is just keep asking more people, if you want to remain random. It doesn't have to be exactly 50/50.

You have no argument, you're just grasping for straws.. I wish I could find that video where it was explained. I'll google it again.
#453 May 26 2011 at 6:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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If your sample does not accurately represent your population, then how can you get accurate results?
If you don't take random samples, how will you ever know if your population has changed?
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#454 May 26 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Alma is taking issue with one of the most basic premises of statistical theory. If the greatest mathematical minds of the world (who created and accepted it) aren't enough to convince him, then I doubt anyone on the forum will.

[:sigh:] Nobody takes heed of their sigs. Disappointed, I remove my own in resignation.

But don't get me wrong, I'm still going to ignore the fucker.
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Rome wasn't built in a day, ***hole. Do you always give up on things so easily?



Edited, May 26th 2011 10:53am by Uglysasquatch
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Disappointed, I remove my own in resignation.
Rome wasn't built in a day, ***hole. Do you always give up on things so easily?


Et tu, Uglysasquatch?
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It's a post by post battle and I'll keep my sig there until I win it and until I can help others win that battle as well.
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#458 May 26 2011 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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It's a post by post battle and I'll keep my sig there until I win it and until I can help others win that battle as well.


Ah, daily affirmations. Perhaps I should make some POSTSTRONGâ„¢ bracelets. Proceeds could fund research and promote awareness of the board cancer that is He-who-shall-not-be-named.

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It's a post by post battle and I'll keep my sig there until I win it and until I can help others win that battle as well.


Ah, daily affirmations. Perhaps I should make some POSTSTRONGâ„¢ bracelets. Proceeds could fund research and promote awareness of the board cancer that is He-who-shall-not-be-named.

Edited, May 26th 2011 12:33pm by Eske

Edited, May 26th 2011 12:35pm by Eske
I bet we'd have to sell less if we just bribed an admin to remove him altogether.
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#460 May 26 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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It's a post by post battle and I'll keep my sig there until I win it and until I can help others win that battle as well.


Ah, daily affirmations. Perhaps I should make some POSTSTRONGâ„¢ bracelets. Proceeds could fund research and promote awareness of the board cancer that is He-who-shall-not-be-named.

Edited, May 26th 2011 12:33pm by Eske

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I bet we'd have to sell less if we just bribed an admin to remove him altogether.


Shit, we could probably get Kao to do it in exchange for a few neat plane pictures.
#461 May 26 2011 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Why weigh it when you can just have a more balanced poll? All you have to do is just keep asking more people, if you want to remain random. It doesn't have to be exactly 50/50.
Oh, so you agree that random sampling is the way to go? I accept your apology.

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Alma is taking issue with one of the most basic premises of statistical theory. If the greatest mathematical minds of the world (who created and accepted it) aren't enough to convince him, then I doubt anyone on the forum will.

[:sigh:] Nobody takes heed of their sigs. Disappointed, I remove my own in resignation.

But don't get me wrong, I'm still going to ignore the fucker.
It's not easy. Don't get me wrong, I always try. I was doing good for a while.

Edited, May 26th 2011 12:29pm by bsphil
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#462 May 26 2011 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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Eske Esquire wrote:
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It's a post by post battle and I'll keep my sig there until I win it and until I can help others win that battle as well.


Ah, daily affirmations. Perhaps I should make some POSTSTRONGâ„¢ bracelets. Proceeds could fund research and promote awareness of the board cancer that is He-who-shall-not-be-named.

Edited, May 26th 2011 12:33pm by Eske

Edited, May 26th 2011 12:35pm by Eske

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#463 May 26 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Default
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If your sample does not accurately represent your population, then how can you get accurate results?
If you don't take random samples, how will you ever know if your population has changed?


The randomness of the poll has nothing to do with the fact if the poll is representative with the population. The chosen people are what's random. I can randomly poll 1000 Texans on what the "best U.S. State is" and I guarantee you that the result will be completely different from a 1000 random poll of New Yorkers who were asked the same question. Not until you have a FAIR representation of ALL U.S states will you have representation of the U.S.

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Alma is taking issue with one of the most basic premises of statistical theory. If the greatest mathematical minds of the world (who created and accepted it) aren't enough to convince him, then I doubt anyone on the forum will.

[:sigh:] Nobody takes heed of their sigs. Disappointed, I remove my own in resignation.

But don't get me wrong, I'm still going to ignore the ******.


WTFRU talking about? You're just making stuff up. I listed multiple sites explaining the differences of various types of polling. Complete random polling is only ONE way of polling and has it's place and time. My entire argument is that the time and place isn't on a national polling on something so divided. I provided texts to support that claim, what have you provided? Oh, right... nothing..

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Oh, so you agree that random sampling is the way to go? I accept your apology.


Oh, so you agree that a complete random 1000 person poll is not representative of the U.S.? I accept your apology.
#464 May 26 2011 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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Not random in this context. Need me to explain why?
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I can randomly poll 1000 Texans
Not random in this context. Need me to explain why?
Texans' opinions don't count.
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#466 May 26 2011 at 2:51 PM Rating: Default
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I can randomly poll 1000 Texans
Not random in this context. Need me to explain why?


Exactly the reason why I said the randomness isn't the issue, but the fair representation.
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#468 May 26 2011 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
Exactly the reason why I said the randomness isn't the issue, but the fair representation.
That's the same thing.
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#469 May 26 2011 at 3:17 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
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Exactly the reason why I said the randomness isn't the issue, but the fair representation.
That's the same thing.


Uh..what? You must be trolling now...
#470 May 26 2011 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
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I can randomly poll 1000 Texans
Not random in this context. Need me to explain why?


Exactly the reason why I said the randomness isn't the issue, but the fair representation.


Smiley: lol Nobody /whoosh's quite like Alma.

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#471 May 26 2011 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: lol Nobody /whoosh's quite like Alma.
I just feel pity for someone living as sad an existence as him.
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#472 May 26 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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bsphil wrote:
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Smiley: lol Nobody /whoosh's quite like Alma.
I just feel pity for someone living as sad an existence as him.


So, you're taking time out of your life to feel "pity" for me and you think I'm sad?
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