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#152 Mar 18 2011 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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#153gbaji, Posted: Mar 18 2011 at 7:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So what? Now you'll spend 10 posts insisting that I fell into your evil trap?
#154 Mar 18 2011 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Considering it was apparent to probably everyone but you that it was a joke, I'd say that's appropriate.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

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#155 Mar 18 2011 at 7:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
So what? Now you'll spend 10 posts insisting that I fell into your evil trap?

see what I did there?

No, I'm just amused that I can make a joke, have you spaz out and insist that I was REAL SERIOUS and then post again just to prove what a dipshit you are for not even getting your rant correct which leads to you spazzing out and insisting that I must have been REAL SERIOUS because you think I was defending my joke rather than just pointing out how you were not only spazzing out but not even vaguely accurate in your little rant.

Somehow I doubt you'll find it as funny but, trust me, it's pretty funny.
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#156 Mar 19 2011 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Carter vs. Obama.

Go.
#157 Mar 19 2011 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Carter vs. Obama.
IN A STEEL CAGE
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#158 Mar 19 2011 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Carter vs. Obama.

Carter's pretty old but he knows how to swing a claw hammer.
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#159 Mar 21 2011 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Carter has nearly eliminated a really awful parasite from the world, which could earn him a legacy that rivals the WHO's elimination of smallpox. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/25/jimmy-carter-guinea-worm_n_801252.html

Plus that Barack fella is just uppity to me.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#160 Mar 21 2011 at 2:40 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
So what? Now you'll spend 10 posts insisting that I fell into your evil trap?

see what I did there?

No, I'm just amused that I can make a joke, have you spaz out and insist that I was REAL SERIOUS and then post again just to prove what a dipshit you are for not even getting your rant correct which leads to you spazzing out and insisting that I must have been REAL SERIOUS because you think I was defending my joke rather than just pointing out how you were not only spazzing out but not even vaguely accurate in your little rant.


You get that your "joke" was the sole support you gave for a position you certainly seem to take quite seriously, right? I find it amusing when people use jokes to defend their positions on real world things, and then when anyone questions this, they just insist that it was "just a joke". Um... So why do you take it seriously?
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#161 Mar 21 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hehehe... seriously?

Just give up.
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#162 Mar 21 2011 at 3:53 PM Rating: Default
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Hehehe... seriously?

Just give up.


Ok. So you freely admit that it's the nutty liberal environmentalists and the Democrats who placate them who are to blame for the fact that we haven't built a new nuclear power plant in 30 years?

I'm just curious where you actually stand on this. Since you were joking about it being the GOP's fault, then who's fault is it?
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#163 Mar 21 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gee, if only I thought there was a single culprit I could meet your demands

But sadly I live in the Big Boy World and, as has been said in previous threads, the culprits are a mixture of economic factors, political factors and good ole fashioned NIMBYism. I'll happily agree that the Democrats are traditionally more likely to be opposed (it'd only be the 50th time I've said this is a place where I part ways with traditional Democratic ideology) but I'm afraid I know too much about this big ole world to say "Haha! It's all them!" Or even primarily them. Obviously this is all pretty important to make you feel like you scored some sort of point out of looking like a ****** for the last page and a half so I hope this makes you feel at least a little tiny bit better.
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#164gbaji, Posted: Mar 21 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's primarily them. Let's not kid ourselves.
#165 Mar 21 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's funny that you honestly believe that.
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#166 Mar 21 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Default
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It's funny that you honestly believe that.


So absent nutty environmentalists fear-mongering about nuclear power for the last 40 years or so, you're saying we still would not have built a nuclear power plant in the last 30 years? Care to support that? I mean, I get that the coal lobby might just have something to do with that, but that's really just a means to accomplish an end. I don't see it being the end objective itself.
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#167 Mar 21 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've cited the various barriers in past threads. I don't really give a fuck if you believe me or not because you're obviously deeply vested in the whole "Environmentalists & Democrats!" thing.

Shit, even in this thread, you have a couple of guys from the nuclear energy game agreeing that the immediate barrier to nuclear energy is that gas-fired turbines are just plain cheaper.

Edited, Mar 21st 2011 9:02pm by Jophiel
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#168 Mar 21 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm a Democrat, and an environmentalist. I think it's pretty funny that concern for the environment is automatically designated "nutty" when, after all, it's all about personal responsibility; but set that aside for a moment.

I grew up across the river from a coal-burning power plant. I've seen what strip mining can do. I've spent my whole life watching my government pour billions - trillions - of dollars protecting our interests in the world's oil supply.

I'm all for exploring other energy technologies; but the immediate future is nuclear.
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#169 Mar 21 2011 at 8:56 PM Rating: Default
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Shit, even in this thread, you have a couple of guys from the nuclear energy game agreeing that the immediate barrier to nuclear energy is that gas-fired turbines are just plain cheaper.


Cheaper only when the total cost of nuclear is calculated, which includes massively inflated costs involved with actually getting a nuclear plant up and running, pretty much all of which have to do with 40+ years of environmentalist fear mongering about nuclear power. Put the two side by side in terms of cost in materials to generate X amount of electricity and nuclear is far and away the most cost efficient means to do so.

When coal and gas turbine plants cost millions to build, and nuclear plants cost billions, it's going to have a significant impact on the total cost of energy generated over the lifetime of those plants, having nothing at all to do with the efficiency of the method used. And lets not kid ourselves here, from a design and safety perspective, a nuclear power plant is certainly more costly than other forms of energy, but not an order of magnitude or two more costly. Something beyond just the complexity of design and cost of materials is involved here, and it's not that hard to see that it has a lot more to do with politics than science or engineering.
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#170 Mar 21 2011 at 9:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cheaper only when the total cost of nuclear is calculated, which includes massively inflated costs involved with...

Blah, blah, blah. As I said, we've been over this before. I've posted cites, you keep crying about environmental-Democrat monsters or whatever. I've no vain hopes of convincing you otherwise. You need this. I get it.

If nuclear power could really deliver a significantly lower priced product to people's homes, they'd be building nuclear power plants on Indian burial grounds full of pandas and no one would say peep about it. Instead, it provides a product that is, under the best current situations, slightly pricier than coal or gas.
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#171 Mar 21 2011 at 10:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I grew up across the river from a coal-burning power plant.


I know which one you're talking about. They finally put a scrubber on it. It's still a nasty mess though. Oh, and that ash spill that happened two years ago and is still being cleaned up. Good ole coal!
#172 Mar 22 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:


I grew up across the river from a coal-burning power plant.


I know which one you're talking about. They finally put a scrubber on it. It's still a nasty mess though. Oh, and that ash spill that happened two years ago and is still being cleaned up. Good ole coal!


What's up with that spill these days? I imagine the mercury will be around for years to come.

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#173varusword75, Posted: Mar 22 2011 at 7:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
#174 Mar 22 2011 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I oppose killing human families to clear land and construct power plants.

Because I'm liberal like that.
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#175varusword75, Posted: Mar 22 2011 at 8:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
#176 Mar 22 2011 at 8:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Erm...

Ummm..

Hrm.


You did know I was in favor of nuclear power, right? This is why you fail to really upset anyone with your cute little rants. You just make yourself look silly.
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