Another way of looking at it - 97% of PP's rendered services are not abortion-related
And if you just repeat that bogus and useless statistic long enough, maybe it'll stick, right?
It's a meaningless statement. It's like saying that 99% of the work I do every day is breathing, since I can count each breath as a single action, while only counting each task I accomplish during the day as one as well. Add in each beat of my heart and we could conclude that only a tiny fraction of my actions during any given work day actually involves doing "work". Most people reject that as an absurd way of calculating things, but when it's convenient, I suppose you'll follow it to the ends of the earth.
Handing out a pack of condoms to someone isn't even remotely on the same plane as performing an abortion. Yet each is counted equally as a "service" in the statistic you are quoting. You can't possibly think that's a fair accounting. But you're doing so anyway.
I've been very clear where the statistic Kyl was quoting came from. That he misstated it is a minor issue. 97.6% of all pregnant women who come to planned parenthood for pregnancy care end out getting an abortion. Can we please not kid ourselves by thinking that PP is anything other than an abortion provider that happens to also provide other services as well?
If you simply count up numbers of single sale items per day by a gas station, you'd conclude that their gas business is only a tiny fraction of what they do. That's clearly not correct either.
35% are about birth control. How can millions of services specifically aimed at being responsible sexually not be "making responsible decisions?" How about the hefty percent that goes toward STI testing - the same thing. Being irresponsible would be ignoring symptoms or being deluded enough to think "Oh, it can't happen to me."
Irrelevant argument (yes, you were responding to Varus, so I forgive you somewhat). The point is that those other services are available via numerous other means. I don't think it's wrong to define Planned Parenthood by what it does that other health care providers don't do
(or don't do nearly at the same rate). Don't you agree?
And if those services could NOT be accessed due to price constrains, lack of availability, or social stigmatism (all of which would result from shutting down Planned Parenthood), there's not even an argument about personal responsibility.
All of those other services could be accessed exactly the same whether Planned Parenthood receives that money or not. That's what you're not getting. Those services are performed commonly at health care facilities all over the country. The exact same services which would qualify under medicaid if the person walks through Planned Parenthood's door will qualify under medicaid if the person walked through any other health care facilities door.
Are you actually arguing that without Planned Parenthood no one would be able to obtain birth control, or STI tests, or breast exams? Because that's a huge stretch, right? Yet, that's what's suggested by the crying coming from the left over this.
If it someone wanted to make use of these advantages, without them available it would be useless. It's like giving a person a recipe for food and no access to ingredients, then complaining when they starve.
Yes. But that's not the case here, so WTF?
Also, I love gbaji's claim because it is verbatim from a Fox News segment I saw a couple of days ago- except the news commentators then said you can get pap smears and mammograms from Walgreen's. Smooooooooth reporting there.
Ah... The "you're just repeating rhetoric" counter. Would you believe that I honestly have not watched a single bit of Fox News coverage of this issue? I haven't even watched the station in probably two weeks. I'm going through my SG-1 DVDs right now (I'm about a third of the way through season 10 right now in fact!). Haven't been watching much of anything on TV other than stuff I DVR for at least a month or so now.
Has it occurred to you that the reason my arguments match those of the conservatives on Fox News is because that's the conclusion any conservative would reach upon doing any kind of research into the subject at all? I've said this many times in the past. You know why I know this is true? Because people on this forum were accusing me of parroting Fox News before I even knew what channel is was on. I was being accused of repeating things said by people I'd never heard of. I only watch Fox News occasionally today because after years of being accused of parroting them, I figured I ought to actually figure out what cable number they're on and see what the hell people are talking about.
Which is why this particular accusation always makes me laugh. When people who are parroting what other say accuse me of doing the same, it always tickles my irony funny bone.