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That's rich, coming from you.
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And you are playing "change the subject" again. Why can't you follow a single logical thread in a debate?
1. You were the one that freakin started the "label argument" not me. I just responded to your words. You got offended when I said "black movies",etc. stating that was part of the problem. So either my comments were on subject or your original "label argument" was off subject Which one is it?
2. I stated the relevance of my comments, so the onus is on you to prove how my explanation failed. If I'm giving you explanations of relevancy and you continue to ignore them as "irrelevant", then it is obvious that you're just using that statement as a cop out, because I just explained to you the relevancy.
3. This is a freakin Internet forum. So even if it were slightly off topic, which it isn't, that's how these things go. This topic started talking about having more white friends, to hiring specifically white people to the scare of "economical shift". You even said yourself that you weren't participating before, but now that the subject has CHANGED into something less silly, now you will participate.
So don't give me that ONE argument BS, I just proved you wrong in every possible aspect.
Gbaji wrote:
I'm honestly curious: What argument of his did I misunderstand? I've ignored several of his arguments as irrelevant, but I don't believe I've actually misunderstood them.
Gabji The confused wrote:
ALmalieque The All Knowing wrote:
Do you, or anyone (white) you know and how many, do the following?
1. Buy TCB grease, shine spray?
2. Buy Du-rags?
3. Read JET, Vibe, Essence, King magazine.
4. watches BET or TVOne
5. go to see all black cast movies or plays?
6. Go to black barber shops or hair salons?
7. Listens to the Tom Joyner Morning Show or The Steve Harvey Show?
8. Looks at Ed Gordon, Tavis Smiley, etc?
9. Attends black churches?
10. Believe O.J Simpson is innocent....
The very fact that you think this list is important shows how warped your viewpoint on this subject is. Perhaps if more people like you stepped out of the racially segregated assumptions they have put around them, they'd see that the rest of the world isn't about "all black" or "all white" everything. It's incredibly telling (and funny as hell) that you think that I'm somehow racist if I *don't* watch BET, or read JET, but don't see the racism inherent in that very assumption.
That's just an example. Pretty much every where you made a statement that I implied white people are racists for not doing something.
I mean, if you actually responded to my statements, you would know this.
I would also like highlight the bold where you are attacking LABELS again, so how is talking about labels off topic if you keep bringing them up? Oh, I get it, it's relevant for you to mention them when they support your argument, but not relevant when they support my argument.
Let's do this. If you believe so much that my statements are irrelevant, why don't you answer them and explain how they are irrelevant beyond simply saying "they're irrelevant"... you know, kind of like how debates operate?
Kachi wrote:
That's rich, coming from you.
Yeah, that you've called me that in the past is what makes it funny. You're a hypocrite, that's the joke.
Kavekk wrote:
Kachi wrote:
That's rich, coming from you.
Yeah, that you've called me that in the past is what makes it funny. You're a hypocrite, that's the joke.
Last I checked both of us freely admit that we troll gbaji. I generally don't troll just any idiot, only the ones who cross me without provocation, like you. Otherwise I make an unnatural but concerted effort to be civil.
I really don't care who you troll, but your attempts to troll me were insubstantial and dry. My problem with you isn't that you troll, but how you troll. Badly. I just probably wouldn't have taken notice if you hadn't addressed me. This little diversion aside, I've yet to see any reason to even talk to you.
Kachi wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Kachi wrote:
That's rich, coming from you.
Yeah, that you've called me that in the past is what makes it funny. You're a hypocrite, that's the joke.
Last I checked both of us freely admit that we troll gbaji. I generally don't troll just any idiot, only the ones who cross me without provocation, like you. Otherwise I make an unnatural but concerted effort to be civil.
I really don't care who you troll, but your attempts to troll me were insubstantial and dry. My problem with you isn't that you troll, but how you troll. Badly. I just probably wouldn't have taken notice if you hadn't addressed me. This little diversion aside, I've yet to see any reason to even talk to you.
Well, personally, I don't think I troll at all, though I've known myself to be ironic, facetious and bellicose, often at once. The substantial truth of the matter is that I don't like you very much, though detailing your every grating flaw represents an obstacle course of self-expression I'm disinclined to run.
Anyway, I certainly don't troll Gbaji - he is not worth my time. Occasionally I riff off of him, but frankly even that's become so easy it's not even worth it anymore.
You are, of course, under no obligation to respond to the things I say.
will you two just fuck already and get it over with?
Bardalicious wrote:
will you two just fuck already and get it over with?
Oh dear God, please don't...
Bardalicious wrote:
will you two just fuck already and get it over with?
Sorry, Bard, this is more of a platonic hatred. You need more volatile stuff, tempered by some kind of grudging respect, for a good hate fuck.
Almalieque wrote:
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And you are playing "change the subject" again. Why can't you follow a single logical thread in a debate?
1. You were the one that freakin started the "label argument" not me.
Um... You're the one who said that members of an ethnic minority should help their own group ahead of others. All the silly lists of products is irrelevant. That's not any thing I'm arguing against. But you keep bringing it up as though I have to anyway.
I have no problem with people buying products targeted to them, even if said targeting happens to occur along racial lines
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I just responded to your words. You got offended when I said "black movies",etc. stating that was part of the problem.
In the context of your earlier argument that minority groups should help out members of their own group, not because of products that appeal to them but purely because those who will benefit from their actions are members of their own racial group.
If someone attends a "black movie", not because the product appeals to them but because black people will benefit economically from them buying the ticket, then they are acting on a racist motivation. That was what I was talking about. You brought up this example as a defense of your earlier claim. Don't blame me for interpreting this example as though it's meant to be taken within that context.
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So don't give me that ONE argument BS, I just proved you wrong in every possible aspect.
Except that all of these other side issues derive from that one. You transformed the issue from "black people helping other black people because they are black" to "black people buying products targeted towards black people" and now insist that I must defend an argument that the latter is racist. But you were the one who changed the words. Not me. If someone buys a product or attends a film because they enjoy that product or film, there's nothing wrong with that at all. But if they do it specifically to help out the seller/maker of that product because that person is a member of the same racial group, then it's racist.
This is why I keep asking you to focus on the original issue. It's the one that's relevant. I did not say that those other things were racism.
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The very fact that you think this list is important shows how warped your viewpoint on this subject is. Perhaps if more people like you stepped out of the racially segregated assumptions they have put around them, they'd see that the rest of the world isn't about "all black" or "all white" everything. It's incredibly telling (and funny as hell) that you think that I'm somehow racist if I *don't* watch BET, or read JET, but don't see the racism inherent in that very assumption.
That's just an example. Pretty much every where you made a statement that I implied white people are racists for not doing something.
You completely missed the point. Remember when you started off arguing that it was ok for black people to do this because if they didn't white people wouldn't? That was specific to the original statement about helping out because someone was a member of your own racial group (not because the product was something you liked). At that time you were *not* talking about buying a list of products. You were speaking about acting in ways that helped people of your own group because they of your group (racial discrimination). Thus, your justification about white people not doing these things was within that context.
You *later* changed to talking about buying products. It wasn't me misunderstanding you, it was you changing what you were talking about mid-stream. I repeatedly said that I didn't have a problem with buying products because you liked them, or they were targeted at you. So can you drop that? You're insisting that I defend an argument I never made.
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Let's do this. If you believe so much that my statements are irrelevant, why don't you answer them and explain how they are irrelevant beyond simply saying "they're irrelevant"... you know, kind of like how debates operate?
I have explained to you at least 3 times now exactly and in excruciating detail why your argument about black people buying products targeted at them isn't relevant to your earlier assertion about people of a racial group helping out people of their own racial group. Yet you keep pretending that I haven't. Let me try asking you a relevant question:
Do you understand the difference between a black person buying a product that has been marketed to appeal to black people, and a black person buying a product because the profits from the sale will help out black people? Can you see how one of those things is racial discrimination and the other isn't?
yes or no?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Gbaji,
You said the following...
This is you making an argument that part of the problem is making racial labels. I countered your argument to say that we as society, make labels all of the time and questioned how specific labels made you feel. So which one is it? Is your argument above irrelevant or is my COUNTER-argument relevant?
You know you are wrong because I showed you 3 different ways how you were wrong, yet you only replied to 2. Why? Because, like I said, you're only replying to stuff that you think you can counter.
That's why I'm not answering any of your questions till you answer mine. At this point, if you're not responding to my questions in the post in question, I'm not even going to waste my time reading all your posts, because you're just wasting my time. It's a shame, because I have responses that I want to share, but if you're not going to even take the time to address them, then you're wasting my time.
You keep claiming that they are irrelevant, but this was a two fold condition. You, answering them first, then explaining how they are irrelevant, not just saying that they are irrelevant.
You're like that person who swears up and down that "they got it", but keeps ******** up, but wont listen to any suggestions, only to keep ******** up. Then, you constantly wonder why you keep ******** up.
I'm telling you that you are confused, that's why you think it's irrelevant. You don't understand my point nor the situation, that's why you think it's racist and that's why you think it's irrelevant. I'm telling you if you spend HALF as much time answering my questions as you do telling me that they are irrelevant, then you would understand. Instead, you keep saying "I got it", when its blatant from your responses that you don't got it.
Your statements of understanding of my argument are wrong You're missing key elements which make them seem the way you are portraying them. Rather if its from my bad explaining or your bad interpretation, either way, it's wrong and I'm trying to show you, but you're not wanting to listen.
You can't possibly spend this much time and effort arguing about something irrelevant to the argument to avoid arguing about something "irrelevant" about the argument. OBVIOUSLY you just don't want to answer the questions, else you wouldn't be arguing with me right now about something that IS irrelevant to the argument.
You said the following...
Gbaji wrote:
This is part of your problem then. Stop doing that. Stop labeling people based on racial stereotypes you assume must apply. You then might not be so surprised at a white rapper, or a black country singer, or whatever else doesn't fit your pre-assumed stereotypes. Seriously. The problem is with you and the need to apply racial labels to everything. Some of us don't do that.
This is you making an argument that part of the problem is making racial labels. I countered your argument to say that we as society, make labels all of the time and questioned how specific labels made you feel. So which one is it? Is your argument above irrelevant or is my COUNTER-argument relevant?
You know you are wrong because I showed you 3 different ways how you were wrong, yet you only replied to 2. Why? Because, like I said, you're only replying to stuff that you think you can counter.
That's why I'm not answering any of your questions till you answer mine. At this point, if you're not responding to my questions in the post in question, I'm not even going to waste my time reading all your posts, because you're just wasting my time. It's a shame, because I have responses that I want to share, but if you're not going to even take the time to address them, then you're wasting my time.
ALmalieque wrote:
Let's do this. If you believe so much that my statements are irrelevant, why don't you answer them and explain how they are irrelevant beyond simply saying "they're irrelevant"... you know, kind of like how debates operate?
You keep claiming that they are irrelevant, but this was a two fold condition. You, answering them first, then explaining how they are irrelevant, not just saying that they are irrelevant.
You're like that person who swears up and down that "they got it", but keeps ******** up, but wont listen to any suggestions, only to keep ******** up. Then, you constantly wonder why you keep ******** up.
I'm telling you that you are confused, that's why you think it's irrelevant. You don't understand my point nor the situation, that's why you think it's racist and that's why you think it's irrelevant. I'm telling you if you spend HALF as much time answering my questions as you do telling me that they are irrelevant, then you would understand. Instead, you keep saying "I got it", when its blatant from your responses that you don't got it.
Your statements of understanding of my argument are wrong You're missing key elements which make them seem the way you are portraying them. Rather if its from my bad explaining or your bad interpretation, either way, it's wrong and I'm trying to show you, but you're not wanting to listen.
You can't possibly spend this much time and effort arguing about something irrelevant to the argument to avoid arguing about something "irrelevant" about the argument. OBVIOUSLY you just don't want to answer the questions, else you wouldn't be arguing with me right now about something that IS irrelevant to the argument.
Almalieque wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
This is part of your problem then. Stop doing that. Stop labeling people based on racial stereotypes you assume must apply. You then might not be so surprised at a white rapper, or a black country singer, or whatever else doesn't fit your pre-assumed stereotypes. Seriously. The problem is with you and the need to apply racial labels to everything. Some of us don't do that.
This is you making an argument that part of the problem is making racial labels. I countered your argument to say that we as society, make labels all of the time and questioned how specific labels made you feel. So which one is it? Is your argument above irrelevant or is my COUNTER-argument relevant?
Your counter-argument is irrelevant. There's a difference between a black person buying the album of a singer because he is black and it'll "help out" someone of your own racial group, and being black and buying certain products (yes, even rap music or do-rags) marketed to you. You keep missing this. You're trying to defend your starting argument that it's ok for members of an ethnic group to help out other members of the same group by using lists of targeted products.
That's not the issue. You're talking about lists of products in order to avoid talking about the thing you said originally.
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You can't possibly spend this much time and effort arguing about something irrelevant to the argument to avoid arguing about something "irrelevant" about the argument. OBVIOUSLY you just don't want to answer the questions, else you wouldn't be arguing with me right now about something that IS irrelevant to the argument.
Great! So lets agree that we've spent more than enough time and effort arguing about that, and how about you answer the question I keep asking you:
Is it racism (or racial discrimination if you prefer that term) for a member of a racial group to take actions purely because they help out a member of his own racial group? I'm not talking about a black person buying Jet magazine. I'm talking about a black person choosing to buy groceries at the black owned store instead of a white owned one, even if the products are identical. I'm talking about a black person doing this because he wants to help out the black person who owns the store.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
Edited, Feb 28th 2011 8:40pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Gbaji wrote:
Your counter-argument is irrelevant. There's a difference between a black person buying the album of a singer because he is black and it'll "help out" someone of your own racial group, and being black and buying certain products (yes, even rap music or do-rags) marketed to you. You keep missing this. You're trying to defend your starting argument that it's ok for members of an ethnic group to help out other members of the same group by using lists of targeted products.
What is my counter argument? It appears that you don't know what it is or you're just making something up.
FYI: White people buy more hip-hop than black people... largely due to the difference in population.
Gbaji wrote:
Great! So lets agree that we've spent more than enough time and effort arguing about that, and how about you answer the question I keep asking you:
So, you agree that this is just as irrelevant as what you claim as my "counter argument", therefore, this has nothing to do with the fact that anything is "irrelevant", but the fact that you just don't want to answer those questions.
Gbaji wrote:
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
I have not danced around anything. I told you that until you answer my questions, then I'm not going to answer your questions. My questions support my argument to show how you are misunderstanding my point, but you refuse to respond to them. So, what's the point of me responding to your question now, if you're just going to ignore me and pick and choose what to respond to?
Black people think OJ was innocent...?
Also, I enjoy a number of "all black cast" movies. I really want to see "Colored Girls," I think that looks really good. I don't like the Medea movies, though. I loved "Waiting to Exhale" and "Set it Off."
I also loved The Fresh Price of Bel Air, but I don't know if you'd count that...
Also, I enjoy a number of "all black cast" movies. I really want to see "Colored Girls," I think that looks really good. I don't like the Medea movies, though. I loved "Waiting to Exhale" and "Set it Off."
I also loved The Fresh Price of Bel Air, but I don't know if you'd count that...
gbaji wrote:
Is it racism (or racial discrimination if you prefer that term) for a member of a racial group to take actions purely because they help out a member of his own racial group? I'm not talking about a black person buying Jet magazine. I'm talking about a black person choosing to buy groceries at the black owned store instead of a white owned one, even if the products are identical. I'm talking about a black person doing this because he wants to help out the black person who owns the store.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
I know you're not asking me, but I would say that it is not racism. Mostly because the person in question is not purchasing things from someone of his race because he finds his race superior to any other. He/she is only doing it to "help out" someone of his own race out of a feeling of solidarity. There's nothing wrong with that, really.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I don't like the Medea movies, though.
I'll watch anything with a washed-up black comedian in a fat suit. Instant laughs!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I don't like the Medea movies, though.
I'll watch anything with a washed-up black comedian in a fat suit. Instant laughs!
I hear "Big Momma's House 3" is coming to a theater near you soon...
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I don't like the Medea movies, though.
I'll watch anything with a washed-up black comedian in a fat suit. Instant laughs!
I hear "Big Momma's House 3" is coming to a theater near you soon...
Signs of the Apocalypse
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Is it racism (or racial discrimination if you prefer that term) for a member of a racial group to take actions purely because they help out a member of his own racial group? I'm not talking about a black person buying Jet magazine. I'm talking about a black person choosing to buy groceries at the black owned store instead of a white owned one, even if the products are identical. I'm talking about a black person doing this because he wants to help out the black person who owns the store.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
I know you're not asking me, but I would say that it is not racism. Mostly because the person in question is not purchasing things from someone of his race because he finds his race superior to any other. He/she is only doing it to "help out" someone of his own race out of a feeling of solidarity. There's nothing wrong with that, really.
I agree with you on the first part, but I do think that there's something wrong with "racial solidarity" when it involves some form of competition (I mean, as opposed to celebratory or historical situations, like Black History Month, or a multi-cultural day at a school). I would consider choosing to shop specifically at black-owned stores to fall under that category.
I'm guilty of the same feelings in some situations, as are a lot of people, I think. I've always got a soft spot for a good American white basketball player, for example, since they seem to be so few and far between.
But what do such feelings do, other than perpetuate competition between races? I don't see them doing anything but increasing the "us vs. them" mentality, or at the very least, preventing us from bridging cultural divides.
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:36pm by Eske
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:41pm by Eske
Eske Esquire wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Is it racism (or racial discrimination if you prefer that term) for a member of a racial group to take actions purely because they help out a member of his own racial group? I'm not talking about a black person buying Jet magazine. I'm talking about a black person choosing to buy groceries at the black owned store instead of a white owned one, even if the products are identical. I'm talking about a black person doing this because he wants to help out the black person who owns the store.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
I know you're not asking me, but I would say that it is not racism. Mostly because the person in question is not purchasing things from someone of his race because he finds his race superior to any other. He/she is only doing it to "help out" someone of his own race out of a feeling of solidarity. There's nothing wrong with that, really.
I agree with you on the first part, but I do think that there's something wrong with "racial solidarity" when it involves some form of competition (I mean, as opposed to celebratory or historical situations, like Black History Month, or a multi-cultural day at a school). I would consider choosing to shop specifically at black-owned stores to fall under that category.
I'm guilty of the same feelings in some situations, as are a lot of people, I think. I've always got a soft spot for a good American white basketball player, for example, since they seem to be so few and far between.
But what do such feelings do, other than perpetuate competition between races? I don't see them doing anything but increasing the "us vs. them" mentality, or at the very least, preventing us from bridging cultural divides.
But racism isn't "engendering competition between the races." It's favoring one race over another because you believe it to be superior. That's not happening in either situation.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Is it racism (or racial discrimination if you prefer that term) for a member of a racial group to take actions purely because they help out a member of his own racial group? I'm not talking about a black person buying Jet magazine. I'm talking about a black person choosing to buy groceries at the black owned store instead of a white owned one, even if the products are identical. I'm talking about a black person doing this because he wants to help out the black person who owns the store.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
I know you're not asking me, but I would say that it is not racism. Mostly because the person in question is not purchasing things from someone of his race because he finds his race superior to any other. He/she is only doing it to "help out" someone of his own race out of a feeling of solidarity. There's nothing wrong with that, really.
I agree with you on the first part, but I do think that there's something wrong with "racial solidarity" when it involves some form of competition (I mean, as opposed to celebratory or historical situations, like Black History Month, or a multi-cultural day at a school). I would consider choosing to shop specifically at black-owned stores to fall under that category.
I'm guilty of the same feelings in some situations, as are a lot of people, I think. I've always got a soft spot for a good American white basketball player, for example, since they seem to be so few and far between.
But what do such feelings do, other than perpetuate competition between races? I don't see them doing anything but increasing the "us vs. them" mentality, or at the very least, preventing us from bridging cultural divides.
But racism isn't "engendering competition between the races." It's favoring one race over another because you believe it to be superior. That's not happening in either situation.
Right. I agree with you on that (now bolded for clarity); perhaps it wasn't clear. I was responding to the "There's nothing wrong with that, really." at the end of your quote. While I don't think anyone could call such feelings or actions "racist", I do think that they're harmful to race relations.
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:59pm by Eske
Eske Esquire wrote:
Right. I agree with you on that (now bolded for clarity); perhaps it wasn't clear. I was responding to the "There's nothing wrong with that, really." at the end of your quote. While I don't think anyone could call such feelings or actions "racist", I do think that they're harmful to race relations.
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:59pm by Eske
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:59pm by Eske
Ah, I see. Sorry, I'm slow today.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Right. I agree with you on that (now bolded for clarity); perhaps it wasn't clear. I was responding to the "There's nothing wrong with that, really." at the end of your quote. While I don't think anyone could call such feelings or actions "racist", I do think that they're harmful to race relations.
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:59pm by Eske
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:59pm by Eske
Ah, I see. Sorry, I'm slow today.
No worries, me too.
Eske Esquire wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Is it racism (or racial discrimination if you prefer that term) for a member of a racial group to take actions purely because they help out a member of his own racial group? I'm not talking about a black person buying Jet magazine. I'm talking about a black person choosing to buy groceries at the black owned store instead of a white owned one, even if the products are identical. I'm talking about a black person doing this because he wants to help out the black person who owns the store.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
Is that racism? I've been trying for like 3 pages now to get you to actually address this question and you keep tap dancing around it. Answer it please.
I know you're not asking me, but I would say that it is not racism. Mostly because the person in question is not purchasing things from someone of his race because he finds his race superior to any other. He/she is only doing it to "help out" someone of his own race out of a feeling of solidarity. There's nothing wrong with that, really.
I agree with you on the first part, but I do think that there's something wrong with "racial solidarity" when it involves some form of competition (I mean, as opposed to celebratory or historical situations, like Black History Month, or a multi-cultural day at a school). I would consider choosing to shop specifically at black-owned stores to fall under that category.
I'm guilty of the same feelings in some situations, as are a lot of people, I think. I've always got a soft spot for a good American white basketball player, for example, since they seem to be so few and far between.
But what do such feelings do, other than perpetuate competition between races? I don't see them doing anything but increasing the "us vs. them" mentality, or at the very least, preventing us from bridging cultural divides.
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:36pm by Eske
Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:41pm by Eske
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Belkira wrote:
Black people think OJ was innocent...?
{Run-on sentence ahead}
That was a joke, but some do, but from what I gathered, many people didn't, they just wanted to see "justice" for a black man, which is ironic, if he's guilty. People were still pissed off about Rodney King. When I was in Middle School, the school didn't allow us to see/hear the verdict of the O.J. Trial..
Belkira wrote:
But racism isn't "engendering competition between the races." It's favoring one race over another because you believe it to be superior. That's not happening in either situation.
Those are my words exactly.. I just wanted to take this time to go over the few times that we actually agree.
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