Almalieque, Flawless Victory wrote:
Wait, so you believe that there are people who only physically attracted to certain people's personalities? Please tell me that you realize that isn't even possible?
Why isn't it? I am attracted to women with good sense of humor, smart (but not smarter than me), have good hygiene, these are all personality traits. These are the things that I look for in a woman. I hold these things above ass, and tits.
Unless I am drunk, if I am drunk, the only thing that matters is how far she can put her ankles behind her ears.
Oh, wow. How sad for you that you don't know that it is.
Alma's comment reminds me a lot of my ex here. We were drifting apart and he started going to the gym. I have to admit he started looking pretty good. But I knew him - and I still didn't want to be with him anymore. He was completely floored to learn that it was his personality, not his looks that were driving me away.
There's a difference in being attracted to a person's body
vs being attracted to their personality
. It is possible for a person to be physically attracted to a person, but think that person is a jerk. Likewise, it is also possible to not be physically attracted to a person while being attracted to a person's personality. So, it's impossible to be attracted to a stranger's physical body through their unknown personality.
If you think real hard for yourself and try to come up with a reason instead of just quoting what I said and pretending it fits your argument, I'd be willing to listen.
I said from the beginning that they were the same as women.
One reason I thought of (and one you'll probably take negatively, but I don't mean it that way) is a guy who is honestly confused about his own sexuality. It may make him uncomfortable to know that there's a homosexual man in that very naked place, while he's still grappling what his own sexuality. That's not homophobic or bigoted, it's just confusion.
Yea, you're right, besides completely unrealistic, it's negative. People only say "not comfortable with their sexuality" as a negative attack to people. I'm completely confident in my sexuality, but that doesn't mean I want to go in Gay Bars or shower with homosexuals.
But, let's play your game. Let us pretend that actually happens in people. That is no different than a woman being confused with her sexuality. She doesn't want to shower with men because she isn't sure if she's attracted to females or males. Or even better yet, there are plenty of women who believe that women should be modest (even as you claimed) and any woman who freely exposes herself to men has no class and is a whore-monger. So, she wants to hide her body from men to prevent others thinking that she is a trollop, sleaze, ho, whore, skank, sperm-dumpster or a chicken head, because she isn't confident in her sexuality.
Or maybe a guy is ashamed of the size of his... endowment, and he is genuinely worried that a homosexual would be looking and then make fun of him for the size of his junk.
Uh, this is the issue of someone checking you out, which is no different than women not wanting men to check them out. Same exact thing. A man having a small junk will be ridiculed by men and women. This is no different than women being ashamed of someone ridiculing her for her breast or butt size. Besides, a heterosexual man is more likely to be waaay more concerned of what a woman and even a heterosexual man thinks about their penis size over what a homosexual thinks. "I sure hope John likes my penis size", is not something a heterosexual man is probably thinking.
Most likely, though, you're going to run into people who are concerned by this in a mostly bigoted way, because they are disgusted and angered by a man finding another man attractive. This isn't the same as women not wanting to share a shower with men. They aren't disgusted or angry about the attraction. We were just raised to show modesty and not to show our naked bodies to members of the opposite sex.
Putting the generalization aside, regardless if it's out of fear, hatred, anger or modesty. Women don't want to be checked out by men in the shower. Men don't want to be checked out by men in the shower. There is no difference. That's the problem, when a guy, like me, says "I don't want to shower with a homosexual", I don't get the "modesty" option. All people see is "He doesn't want to be checked out by a man, he's a bigot". That's why I ask, "how is that any different than a woman who doesn't want to be checked out by a man".
People(see, I replaced "y'all", just for you)
like to call people bigots in order to scare them into their way of thinking. Kind of like TERRORISM!!! >.>
Besides, the disgust of homosexuality does not necessarily have anything to do with not wanting to be checked out in the shower. I think two men engaged in attraction or sexual encounters is disgusting, but that doesn't mean I can't talk to them or be around them. I realize that people are different. I know posters are going quote "see, the truth is out, you're a bigot, blah, blah", which ironically would just further prove my point. The reality is, I find incest, child molestation, feces/urination during sex, etc. far more disgusting and my comfort levels with them in the shower can/will vary. So, this has less to do with disgust and more to do with "being checked out in the showers", which is the exact same issue that women are expressing.
lolwhat. Id @#%^ the sh*t out of britney spears but I am not attracted to her, hell Id stick it in Demi Moore too just to say I did. The amount of places my penis has been compared to the number of girls ive been attracted to is not very close to even. Clearly someone has never worn beer goggles home from the bar, or is still a virgin.
My penis decides where it wants to go on its own, it doesn't mean the rest of me has to enjoy it.
Crap, you're finally right in something. I feel suicidal...
In any case, I was wrong in the scenario, but I better explained my concept at the top of this post.
It's sad that I point out that those who accuse others of being bigots are often guilty of it themselves?
It's terrifically easy to just label those who disagree with you as bigots. It's a lot harder to honestly examine the issue of bigotry and apply the same rules to everyone and not just those you already believe are wrong.
Honestly.. This.. Some people may have legitimate reasons, but the most of the posters here are acting like bigots, calling other people bigots.
Ding ding ding! And this is why having gay and straight men shower together won't make a difference. Not all gay men are going to be attracted to all other men.
I think you failed to grasp the concept at hand. My argument is that not every male who is against open sexuality in the military, i.e. open showers, are bigots. To show this, I made the comparison that this is no different than what women express about men. The fact that no one person is attracted to everyone only substantiates my point that there is no reason why men and women aren't sharing showers other than for the same reasons why men don't want to share showers with men.
And about what you said to Samira earlier, most women who get looked at by other men *have* grown up and learned to deal with it. It happens. And most of us don't cry about it and we are usually able to completely ignore it.
So, you're ok with sharing open showers with men since you're all grown up? There's a big difference with someone checking you out with clothes on vs being naked.
It doesn't have to be about homophobia; a dislike of being checked out while exposed isn't unique to females, nor are gays universally above sneaking a glance at someone if given the chance.
This.. People have implied/said that homosexuals only check out homosexuals and that is just plain silly.
Everything? What, did you just completely fail to understand the scenario? If you break the rules, or there are allegations that you broke the rules, you get investigated. Attempting to take matters into your own hands because someone looked at you sexually is over the line.[/quote]
Oh, I see what you two were getting at. I was thinking of something completely different. I was thinking more of an assault type scenario, where people would just react.