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#202 Jul 21 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see the word "racist" applied to her anywhere Joph. You get that you're twisting words, right?

Hahahah... yeah, "He only said that she discriminates against people because of their race! He never said she was racist!"

Oh, lordy, lordy...

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He was talking about what she said, not about her.

She discriminates against people due to their race.

That line even got its very own screen in the YouTube video! Ole Andy Breitbart wanted to make sure it stood out on its own as a stark statement: She discriminates against people due to their race.

Right. God, you're rarely this pathetic in your desperation. This is great.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 7:00pm by Jophiel
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#203 Jul 21 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Even more telling is the intro he gave this on YouTube. So while you crow and holler about the "Context!" of a blog entry, the video itself which is still viewable by millions outside of the blog happily introduces itself by saying "Hey, get a load of this racist ***** working for the government and hating white people!"


Link? I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
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#204 Jul 21 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Link? I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Is this you feebly trying to say "He didn't use those exact words in the intro!"? Were you unaware that Breitbart is hosting the video on YouTube where everyone can see it without your precious silly blog that you somehow think fixes everything?

Really? Not a single thing in that intro actually focuses on the NAACP so much as it tries to define how this woman is overseeing "over a billion dollars" of federal money and she's a racist. It's not "Look at how they respond" or "Let's see if someone chuckles!" but "She discriminates against people due to their race."

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 7:06pm by Jophiel
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#205 Jul 21 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
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He was talking about what she said, not about her.

She discriminates against people due to their race.


Which is precisely what she said she did in the video.

So why not repeat what he wrote instead of changing it? He said she discriminates on the basis of race. Instead, you keep saying he "called her a racist". That's not the same thing. One is about what she said. The other is about her.

You can say that's the same thing, but in the context of whether he's talking about her or what she said, it would seem to be dishonest for you to change one into the other. He didn't call her a racist. He said that she said things which were racist and discriminatory. Relevant, right?
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#206 Jul 21 2010 at 6:22 PM Rating: Default
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Link? I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Is this you feebly trying to say "He didn't use those exact words in the intro!"? Were you unaware that Breitbart is hosting the video on YouTube where everyone can see it without your precious silly blog that you somehow think fixes everything?


Who's "he" in this context? I don't see that Breitbart was the one who posted this on youtube at all, let alone where he calls her a "racist *****", as you claim. Maybe you're seeing something I'm not?

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Not a single thing in that intro actually focuses on the NAACP so much as it tries to define how this woman is overseeing "over a billion dollars" of federal money and she's a racist.


Read the blog Joph. The video is part of the blog entry. If you want to understand the context of the video, read the blog. He's pretty freaking clear. That you insist on taking all the context away so that you can insist that the video is "taken out of context" is pretty hilarious.

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It's not "Look at how they respond" or "Let's see if someone chuckles!" but "She discriminates against people due to their race."


Maybe if you didn't just look at the youtube video by itself? Just a thought.
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#207 Jul 21 2010 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'm curious if Fox News pointed its viewers to the blog. You know, for context.
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#208 Jul 21 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Which is precisely what she said she did in the video.

No, it's not. Wasn't it you just saying "He never said it in the present tense!" (even though he did exactly that)? Why... yes! Yes, it was. And here you are saying "She said she does this!"

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So why not repeat what he wrote instead of changing it? He said she discriminates on the basis of race.

Yes, thank you. I'm glad we agree that he's using chopped up out of context video to disseminate lies about a woman so he can slander her and the NAACP in some racist vendetta. Finally you're coming around.
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Who's "he" in this context? I don't see that Breitbart was the one who posted this on youtube at all

That's the link directly through his blog. Breitbart has claimed responsibility as the one who broke the story and the video. Are you seriously this hard up for excuses now?

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Maybe if you didn't just look at the youtube video by itself?

This is your excuse for Breitbart lying about the woman and bluntly saying in his edited-up video that it's about her being a racist? Well, maybe everyone who sees it on YouTube should have just found and read the blog that (laugh!) "puts it in context"?

You've given up even trying now, haven't you? Can't say I blame you. This is sad.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 7:49pm by Jophiel
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#209 Jul 21 2010 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
I'm curious if Fox News pointed its viewers to the blog. You know, for context.


As I've said repeatedly, I'm not defending or even overly aware of how Fox News presented this video. I think I caught a brief bit about it in between watching DVR'd shows Monday night. I don't sit around waiting for Fox News to tell me what to think about things. The brief bit I did see absolutely did present the video in the context of the NAACP members response to what she was saying. That's not to say that folks like Hannity didn't go off in some other direction, but that's not what I personally saw.

That some people took the video out of context is certainly a legitimate complaint, but Joph is attempting to argue that Breitbart himself took it out of context. And to support that, Joph is insisting that we not read the blog entry Breitbart wrote in which he said "context matters" and wrote a dozen or so paragraphs setting up the context of the video prior to embedding it into the blog. Which seems somewhat self-defeating to me. Obviously, if you insist on taking it out of context, it'll be "out of context". But if you read the whole blog entry and then watch the video, it's pretty darn clear what the context was and that the section of the video shown matched the intended point he was trying to make.


I immediately understood this yesterday after reading this thread, going to the blog, and actually reading what was written without any pre-conceptions. No one told me that was what was intended, it was just obvious upon actually reading the blog itself. And today, we have several interviews where Breitbart states the exact same thing I was saying yesterday: That it's not about her. It's about the audience reaction to what she was saying in that specific section of the video.

He says this in the paragraph immediately preceding the video in the blog. I said it yesterday on this thread. He's stated it again today in interviews. Are you guys suggesting that Andrew Breitbart and I got together to make sure our stories were straight yesterday afternoon or something? Or maybe, just maybe, I understood what he was saying, and most of you did not.

I'll quote the paragraph immediately preceding the video in his blog again:

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Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance.


This is what the video clip is about. Its purpose was to show NAACP members approving and agreeing an act of racism committed against a white person. It's not about what someone did 24 years ago, but about the responses from those told about it just a few months ago. That's the "context" of the video. The section shown is absolutely appropriate to that objective. Showing the whole video does not remove the fact that audience members responded inappropriately to that section of her story.


How much more context can one give here? Blame other media outlets (including Fox News, although they certainly weren't the only ones carrying it) for presenting it out of context, but you can't blame Andrew Breitbart for doing so.
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#210gbaji, Posted: Jul 21 2010 at 7:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph. You're sounding as hysterical and nonsensical as Varus right now. Seriously. It's embarrassing to watch.
#211 Jul 21 2010 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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gabji wrote:
What he said was that she discriminates (technically, whomever wrote the bits at the beginning of the video did, which may not have been him). He describes her tale as "racist", but does not label her as a racist.



Andrew Breitbart wrote:


(She) discriminates
against people
due to their race.

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Gbaji. Thats pretty much the dictionary definition of racist. How can you possibly be arguing that it isn't, with a straight face?

Anyway. Humans are racist. Its virtually a 'default' mode. It takes concious thought to become not racist for most people imo. Thats not to say all people are racist. It just means that to become non-racist usually involves becoming a better more 'enlightened' person who has been able to learn that prejudice is ultimately a destructive emotion/thought pattern.

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#212 Jul 21 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Joph. You're sounding as hysterical and nonsensical as Varus right now. Seriously. It's embarrassing to watch.

Yeah, you know how you always feel nettled by what I'm telling you and then you'll be really clever if you tried to turn it around because -- hey! -- if it has you this flustered it must bother me too, right?

It didn't work this time either :D
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#213 Jul 21 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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So varus is a raving dipshit and gbaji can still write a novel of complete nonsense to show how much of a fucking ****** he is? This whole thing was of course a non-issue when given the full quote of the statement and Andrew Breitbart is still a lying ******* who will edit a decades old video to completely reverse its context to excite his bible thumping, Samuel sixpack Wurzelbacher, redneck, gunfucking, god fearing and non-white non-christian non-republican loathing, slack jawed jokel, rusty pickup driving, cowshit overalls, inbred hick, republican base?

FIVE PAGES ON THIS GEM OF A NEWS STORY!

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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#214gbaji, Posted: Jul 21 2010 at 7:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) In this paragraph the use of tense is torturous, but he's clearly referring to a retelling of an event which happened in the past. While grammatically incorrect (but at least consistently so!), the use of the word in this paragraph is "past tense". Which is what I referred to earlier.
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gbaji wrote:
Breitbart did not literally say "This woman is a racist".

Right. Just like if I said "He breaks into people's homes and takes things that don't belong to him", I'm not literally saying "He's a thief" and so we shouldn't pretend that that's what I said! Or if I said "She goes into buildings and illegally sets them on fire for kicks", I'm not literally calling her an arsonist! Brilliant!

Tee-hee!

This is... interesting. I guess it's moved beyond being sad in a way. I don't think that Gbaji is actually a racist but it's fascinating to see how someone so devoted to his ideology will contort his reasoning so he can avoid admitting that his ideology is filled with racists. There's always an excuse, the tiniest semantic trick he can use to convince himself that he's not really aligned with those sorts of people and to soothe himself that his ideology is pure and correct.
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#216 Jul 21 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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Nope. Actually, Virus is right on this one.

Well sort of; he has an easy out.

The term tea bagging is context dependent. When referring to an act as used for sexual pleasure, it does refer to the mouth. However when referring to an act used to disgust and violate others, it refers to placing one's ball sack on the forehead--usually as the victim is becoming conscious. Hence why there are tshirts such as this.

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His little bio thingie says he's a regular contributor to the biggovernment site. Does he work for Breitbart, or with him...

Andrew Breitbart owns Biggovernment. You know, hence the link in the OP being to breitbart.tv? Andrew Breitbart has described in interviews about how he personally pursued getting the video so this wasn't some "Gee, maybe he didn't even know what was going on!" thing no matter what your naivety demands of you to keep you sleeping at night.
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#218gbaji, Posted: Jul 21 2010 at 8:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Except that context matters, remember?
#219gbaji, Posted: Jul 21 2010 at 8:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) None of which means that Breitbart himself wrote the captioning in the video. Yet you continually quote them as though he did. There's a pretty long list of contributors on that site. Do you think that he personally edits everything they write? Heck. I guess you think he runs the whole site himself, and just pretends to be other people when writing all those blog entries and whatnot, right?
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gbaji wrote:
None of which means that Breitbart himself wrote the captioning in the video.

While he continues to keep it on his site and does nothing to disavow it, if this is the best you can come up with...


Well, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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#221 Jul 21 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
So let's not pretend..


No-one's 'pretending' anything.

Except you of course.

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For what it's worth Shirley had been redeemed in the eyes of the media and offered another position with the USDA. She's not likely to take it but is asking to meet with the Pres.

Learning how to filter and process all the tons of information that is thrown at us these days is going to have to be part of standard classroom curriculum of the digital age.
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#223 Jul 22 2010 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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So let's not pretend..


No-one's 'pretending' anything.

Except you of course.

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She's not likely to take it but is asking to meet with the Pres.

Aside from an ego stroke, I fail to see what this is supposed to accomplish.
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Jophiel wrote:
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She's not likely to take it but is asking to meet with the Pres.

Aside from an ego stroke, I fail to see what this is supposed to accomplish.
There's value in a good ego-stroking.

I didn't realize there was a black-farmer crisis in the country.

Listening to her in some interview this morning, she didn't seem to be much of an Obama supporter - even prior to this little mishap.

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#226 Jul 22 2010 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
Elinda wrote:
Listening to her in some interview this morning, she didn't seem to be much of an Obama supporter - even prior to this little mishap.


I'm a fan of my boss but if I got fired erroneously, I'd be pretty pissed too.
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