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#352 Jul 29 2010 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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I bet you cringe every time Obama gets away from the tele-prompter.
yeah, his chat with the GOP a while ago was pretty rough. I wonder why Fox cut away.
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#353 Jul 29 2010 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
So now everyones a mongrel it's just that black people "know more about it".

Sure. What's the argument?

Edit: Speaking of awesome racial quotes for the day, this is as good a thread as any...
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Nevada gubernatorial candidate Brian Sandoval (R) "did indeed say that his children don't look Hispanic" when asked by a Spanish-language television station "whether he was worried about his kids being profiled if they were in Arizona," Jon Ralston reports.

Sandoval twice denied making the comments but they "are on videotape, I have confirmed."


Edited, Jul 29th 2010 12:44pm by Jophiel
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#354 Jul 29 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
Relevent article is relevent: Joan Walsh discusses Fox News' '50-state Southern Strategy' on Salon.

#355 Jul 29 2010 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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As the Democratic party evolved into the party of Equal Rights for all, regardless of color, creed or national origin the racist element of the party, primarily from the Southern states, left for the GOP.


Hence, "Southern Strategy": A GOP effort to woo racist to vote Republican. This was obvious to me 30 years ago whilst still in High School. Why is the concept confounding you now?


Varrus is from Tennessee. Personally, this thread is the first time I've heard the term "Southern Strategy." I'm assumin' that 'round these pahts, we don tahlk about that unpleasant bizness.


The only reason I've ever heard it is because it's come up on this forum before. Also in the implied context of some kind of ongoing systematic racism by the GOP. I suppose it's something that echo-chamber living liberals repeat to each other in order to reinforce their own assumptions.

Frankly, I think it's absurd. While most Segregationists were Democrats and *some* of them moved into the GOP during the civil rights movement, it's a stretch to conclude therefore that the GOP has embarked upon some grand racist plan ever since then which dominates their overall political strategy. As I pointed out earlier, the "southern strategy" as it was originally used doesn't appear to have actually been employed or to have had much effect. The shift of racist whites from the Democratic party to the GOP is far more often talked about (by liberals of course!) than there is any evidence of it happening in any significant numbers.

You can find more evidence supporting southern white democrat racists fleeing to states like Indiana (and remaining Democrats) to run KKK operations there than you can supporting what Joph and others are arguing about. It's simply ridiculous. Even more ridiculous when you realize that he's countering examples of clear and blatantly racist actions by Democrats with some vague and undefined assumptions about the GOP. You have to engage the questionable tactic of assuming code-words and hidden meanings in the GOP platform to see racism there, but need only look at proposed (and passed!) legislation by the Democrats to see it.


I don't see how you can equate those at all, yet alone conclude somehow that the GOP is *more* guilty of racism than the Dems.

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 6:50pm by gbaji
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#356 Jul 29 2010 at 7:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The only reason I've ever heard it is because it's come up on this forum before.

You should probably read more 'n stuff.
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#357 Jul 29 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
The only reason I've ever heard it is because it's come up on this forum before.

You should probably read more 'n stuff.


You're kidding, right? Ask a thousand random people if they know what the "southern strategy" is, and 990 of them will say "huh?". The other ten will be frequenters of liberal blogs.


The far left are the *only* people who talk about this or think it has any relevance or merit. It's laughable. It's the political equivalent of believing in bigfoot. Seriously. Get over it.
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You're kidding, right? Ask a thousand random people if they know what the "southern strategy" is, and 990 of them will say "huh?".

I guess I know more educated people than you. Maybe folks who took a Poli-Sci course at some point in their lives or an American History course beyond high school.

It's cool that Belkira hadn't heard of it since she's not really a political animal. It's absolutely hilarious that you've never heard of it but are telling us with all your self-pronounced authority "It's Bigfoot!" off of some hastily Googled conservative websites.
Reagan/Bush advisor and RNC chair Lee Atwater wrote:
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."


Ahhh.... good ole Reagan era Southern Strategy racism through dog-whistle politics like "Reverse racism is costing whites jobs!" and "South Side Chicago welfare queens are stealing your tax money!" Gotta love it, huh?

OMG Bigfoot! Never happened! Only ever mentioned by the Far Left! It's not true.. itsnottrue... itsnottrueitsnottrueitsnotttrue...

Hilarious.
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#359 Jul 30 2010 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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#360 Jul 30 2010 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Sure. What's the argument?


You mean besides Obama proving once again that he's a racist.



Again for you kool-aid drinkers Obama said;

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everyones a mongrel it's just that black people "know more about it".



Sorry but saying that blacks "know more about it" is racist.


I also see you're employing the Democrat tactic of pretending not to know what the questioner is talking about.


If I say white people know more about anything than any other race that's racist. This is no different.

#361 Jul 30 2010 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Those straws must be getting pretty banged up from you grasping at them so often.
#362 Jul 30 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry but saying that blacks "know more about it" is racist.


No, it's just more obvious when a person of color is of mixed race.

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#363 Jul 30 2010 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I also see you're employing the Democrat tactic of pretending not to know what the questioner is talking about.


It's hardly a tactic when the question asker doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.


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If I say white people know more about anything than any other race that's racist. This is no different.


White people know more about sun burns. Not racist.

Black people know more about sickle cell anemia. Also not racist.

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#364 Jul 30 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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You don't get it, Samira. When a Democrat or a minority says anything that involves race in any way, that's racism. Republicans, however, can be as racist as they want as long as they never mention any of a handful of racial key words.
#365 Jul 30 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

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Ahhh.... good ole Reagan era Southern Strategy racism through dog-whistle politics like "Reverse racism is costing whites jobs!" and "South Side Chicago welfare queens are stealing your tax money!" Gotta love it, huh?



Yeah and the Democrats don't use indescript phrases to cover their intent Smiley: oyvey

Immigration reform=amnesty
Progressive=marxism
rich aren't paying their fair share=tax increases imminent
bush lied people died=we don't want to upset muslims
Neocon=greedy white racists
big business=any business


#366 Jul 30 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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Neocon=greedy white racists
I'm quoting out of context! Its super effective!
#367 Jul 30 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
Kael,

So I guess it's fair to say that black people are lazy idiots. If we look at their unemployment rate compared with the rest of the nation as well the drop out rates in high school that makes it an accurate assessment doesn't it?

p.s.

Genetic differences are quite different than sociological ones.


You keep on apologizing for an outspoken racist and i'll keep calling him on what he says.

#368 Jul 30 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
Ash,

Not anything anyway. He's making blatant racist statements.

#369 Jul 30 2010 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
knoxxsouthy wrote:
So I guess it's fair to say that black people are lazy idiots.


If you want to say that, go ahead. You don't need me to approve of your racism.



I was just following the letter of your post when you said 'anything'.
#370 Jul 30 2010 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
Kael,


What I said isn't racist according to your own criteria.

It's a FACT that blacks have a much higher unemployment rate than the rest of the country. It's also a FACT that they are more likely to drop out of high school than the rest of the population. Taking these two FACTS into consideration doesn't it stand to reason that blacks are in fact more stupid than the rest of the populatioin?





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#371 Jul 30 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
So I guess it's fair to say that black people are lazy idiots. If we look at their unemployment rate compared with the rest of the nation as well the drop out rates in high school that makes it an accurate assessment doesn't it?
No, that makes you a racist.
Laziness and/or lack of intellect aren't the only reason why someone is unemployed or drops out of school.
#372 Jul 30 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
Kael,

No you weren't following the letter of my post. You were trying to equate genetics with sociology.
#373 Jul 30 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Taking these two FACTS into consideration doesn't it stand to reason that blacks are in fact more stupid than the rest of the populatioin?
You just keep on thinking that, Goebbels.
#374 Jul 30 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
Aethia,

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Laziness and/or lack of intellect aren't the only reason why someone is unemployed or drops out of school.


Here come the apologists.

Oh and laziness and lack of intelligence are the only reasons why anyone is unemployeed or drops out of school. If you think otherwise you're simply making excuses to make yourself feel less racist. The fact i'm willing to confront these issues unapologetically and head on speaks volumes to my ability to put aside personal feelings when discussing race based issues. You on the otherhand would much rather ignore the facts and continue to blame those intelligent people who refuse to be unemployeed and who finished high school thereby giving them a better shot of success in the real world.

Why do you hate black people?


I suppose if I were consistently voting to extend healthcare benefits I would need to conjure excuses for why these people need 99 months to find a job.


#375 Jul 30 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok Hitler.
#376 Jul 30 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Kael,

No you weren't following the letter of my post. You were trying to equate genetics with sociology.

Actually you are the one confusing genetics with sociology, and correlation with causation.

When adjusted for asset range, blacks have the same educational and job spread as whites do. Why adjust for asset range?

When the slaves were freed, the white population had an astronomical head start on the black population overall in terms of asset accrual. Such a large head start that blacks are still catching up. The biggest determinant of educational achievement, health, welfare, employability, further wealth accrual and lateness of the average birth of the first child is determined by an individual's parent's assets.

Given the same start, the same number of individual blacks "succeed" in life as whites, and the same number of blacks individuals "fail" at life.
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