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#1 May 27 2006 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey all, I was wondering if someone could give me some advice.

I recently came into posession of an old laptop, I think it's like a PIII 700 or something, which was about to go on a cheapo bulk lot order at my work (we deal PCs and parts) and I ended up adopting it.

It has Windows NT installed on it, and I have a regular user password for it but not the Administrator password.

I want to reformat the drive and start over with WIndows XP, but everything I try it tells me I don't have access, even booting from the Windows XP CD and trying to reformat/repartition the drive. (I even get "Access denied" errors at the DOS prompt)

I'd rather not buy a new HD for it if I can help it, and I don't need anything that's on it but I want to start fresh.

Is there any way I can wipe/reformat/repartition the drive to start fresh without the Administrator password?

I want to use it as an extra machine to stuff with, but I can't install all my audio programs or anything with the stupid NT installation that I don't have any user rights on.

I basically got it for practically nothing as it was almost going to be "scrapped".. (Sold for like 25 bucks with a bunch of others to make room for newer stuff, it's got some cosmetic damage but seems to work ok)

Any advice would be appreciated.

Edited, Sat May 27 23:46:20 2006 by Joujouka
#2 May 27 2006 at 10:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Get a laptop IDE drive adaptor Now pull the laptop drive and plug it into a working full computer as a secondary drive and boot up. Then format the secondary drive.

It's either that, or crack the admin password, which is not hard to do on NT 4. http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/editor.html
using something like that, or others.

If your laptop also has a bios password, you'll need to either figure out what it was from the people you bought it from, buy a new bios chip and attach it to the board, or just ignore it and hope that you never have to change settings.
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#3 May 27 2006 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Get a laptop IDE drive adaptor Now pull the laptop drive and plug it into a working full computer as a secondary drive and boot up. Then format the secondary drive.

It's either that, or crack the admin password, which is not hard to do on NT 4. http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/editor.html
using something like that, or others.

If your laptop also has a bios password, you'll need to either figure out what it was from the people you bought it from, buy a new bios chip and attach it to the board, or just ignore it and hope that you never have to change settings.


Cool, I will try that.. nope, the BIOS is not protected so I am able to get into that, so I can boot from a CD.

Thanks.
#4 May 27 2006 at 11:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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You could also pull the drive, find a very large speaker magnet, and run it across the drive about 50 or so passes. That might do the trick.
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#5 May 28 2006 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
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You could also burn a win98x boot disk to a cd and repartition the drive that way. It won't recognize the drives properly but fdisk has no problem wiping non-dos drives without any hiccups. Once all partitions are removed you shouldn't have any problems making a fat32 partition and then installing a newer version of windows that can convert the partition to ntfs.

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#6 May 28 2006 at 12:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh yeah, that reminds me, a knoppix disk would also work too
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#7 May 28 2006 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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#8 May 28 2006 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
Or you could put the drive into another PC with a cable converter and do whatever the hell you please with it. The whole process takes about 5 mins. You import the drive as a foriegn disk and then you can wipe it easily.
#9 May 28 2006 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I agree with Kao, Knoppix is the way to go. Quick, easy and painless.
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#10 May 28 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
I agree with Kao, Knoppix is the way to go. Quick, easy and painless.


darqflame, great avatar btw.

yes if winXP is not letting you format reinstall, then it could be a BIOS lock. google for a tool called killcmos works great for things like that.

Knoppix is GOD for repairing MS problems too.

so a win98 CD or a win98 boot floppy with fdisk and format should do the trick too.
#11 May 28 2006 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
Can't you just go to DOS with a bootdisk and then just FDISK the sucker? That is one sure way to be able to format.

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#12 May 28 2006 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only wwdragon wrote:
Can't you just go to DOS with a bootdisk and then just FDISK the sucker? That is one sure way to be able to format.

This was my thought as well, and the reason why I usually keep a few Win98 bootdisks with utilities on hand.
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#13 May 28 2006 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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#14 May 29 2006 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
FDISK is okay for smaller HDDs (37GB), but with the advent of multi-hundred gig drives, it can be flaky. I concur with the non-Microsoft drive wipe. I personally use the free tools that can be downloaded from the HDD manufacturer websites, Norton's GDisk, or DBan's Boot n Nuke for low-level formats.
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