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#77 May 19 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know of whom you speak and frankly I refuse to acknowledge him as a liberal.


That's my take on it too. I think he's actually a conservative in disguise, because it takes a deliberate effort to "represent" liberals as badly as he does.

In that case, Varrus is a liberal in disguise.
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#78 May 19 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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This is sounding awfully DSD-esque if you ask me.


Wouldn't you just save time by posting "Well, well, so there!"

I mean, honestly. You want to feel better than people because you were born speaking a certain language. Just say it, no one cares. It's no big deal. Insecure people are allways looking for reasons to feel better than someone. Skin color, sexual orientation, nationality, langauge, religion, whatever.

It's not just you, it's just boringly predictible.
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I also accidentally called the "legal resident aliens" when the term is actually "legal permanent residents". Just to seperate them from those on a 90-Day visa or something.

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#80 May 19 2006 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
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I know of whom you speak and frankly I refuse to acknowledge him as a liberal.


That's my take on it too. I think he's actually a conservative in disguise, because it takes a deliberate effort to "represent" liberals as badly as he does.

In that case, Varrus is a liberal in disguise.


They are both ignorant bigots on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

But they are ignorant bigots foremost, so thats how I view them.
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#81 May 19 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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My logic obviously escaped you, so I'll spell it out. If the government does not accomodate every popular language, then it becomes more difficult for people to get by with only their native language.

This further encourages people living in the states to have at least a rudimentary grasp of english, which is generally the most common and useful language for public purposes here.

Theoretically, it's easier to streamline things by getting people to know how to interact with one common language (supplemented by the others they know), than thinking you'll accomplish the impossible task of having everyone be able to communicate effectively with a large variety of languages with no common denominator.

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Nope. Never been the case, anywhere, ever, in the history of the world.

Don't let that get in the way of being a mindless insecure biggot though. God knows you wouldn't want to actually consider something.

Also, please stop using the word "logic". In fact never use it again. It's really quite insulting to the English language, and I know that's something that's really important to you.


Yeah. You got me. I don't really think that this will help alleviate problems that non-english speakers face in this country in the long run.

...I really just want to stick it to the brown people.

You're a fuc[Aqua][/Aqua]king genius.
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If you agree that a country has a right to protect itself and its identity, there are three things that must be maintained: borders, culture and language.


Man, I swear I heard a homophobic Jew from New York say that once on the radio. Nah, I must be imagining things. We know you wouldn't be stupid enough to not only steal and not credit, but stal nad not credit from the functionally retarded.

Right?

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This is sounding awfully DSD-esque if you ask me.


Wouldn't you just save time by posting "Well, well, so there!"

I mean, honestly. You want to feel better than people because you were born speaking a certain language. Just say it, no one cares. It's no big deal. Insecure people are allways looking for reasons to feel better than someone. Skin color, sexual orientation, nationality, langauge, religion, whatever.

It's not just you, it's just boringly predictible.


If I moved to Japan, I'd learn Japanese. That's all I have to say.
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If Smash moved to Japan, he'd criticize them for not accomodating his differences.
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#85 May 19 2006 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah. You got me. I don't really think that this will help alleviate problems that non-english speakers face in this country in the long run.


Making it much harder for them do anything? I don't think anyone thinks it alleviate anything, particularly for them. What it would do is make people who wouldn't be impacted by it *at all* feel better about themselves because things were made more difficult for other people for absolutely no reason.


...I really just want to stick it to the brown people.


I'm sure you don't. You're more likely just much to lazy to research anything and prefer to view politics from the "sure, that'll probably work" lens of the average uniformed person.


You're a ******* genius.


Yeah, I am. Annoying as hell, isn't it?
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#86 May 19 2006 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah. You got me. I don't really think that this will help alleviate problems that non-english speakers face in this country in the long run.

...I really just want to stick it to the brown people.

You're a fuc[Aqua][/Aqua]king genius.

Honesty is refreshing!

FYI, most sociologists, hell, I'll say all of them because I don't think you could find one that disagrees, say that assimilation is a foregone conclusion. This means that even if that person struggles with the language, he'll pop out a kid that is fluent, maybe bilingual, and by the third generation the kid's likelihood of being a monolingual speaker of his new country's language is close to 100%. Simple terms: be patient.
#87 May 19 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
Giving the US an actual national language wouldn't really do anything as far as I can tell, would it? People who just immigrated would have trouble learning english, their children would learn it, and the kids would act as interprepters until the parents learned English.

Whats the big deal if we do make it the national language other than ANOTHER amendment being in existence?
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If I moved to Japan, I'd learn Japanese. That's all I have to say.
If you moved to Hong Kong, would you learn Catonese, knowing you could get by perfectly well speaking only English?
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
If Smash moved to Japan, he'd criticize them for not accomodating his differences.



If Smash moved to Japan, the Japanese would be clamoring to learn English so they could absorb his every word. He still wouldnt be impressed.
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#90 May 19 2006 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Honesty is refreshing!

FYI, most sociologists, hell, I'll say all of them because I don't think you could find one that disagrees, say that assimilation is a foregone conclusion. This means that even if that person struggles with the language, he'll pop out a kid that is fluent, maybe bilingual, and by the third generation the kid's likelihood of being a monolingual speaker of his new country's language is close to 100%. Simple terms: be patient.

That doesn't solve the problem if they keep coming into the country in increasing numbers.
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Every bought anything in the EU? Ever seen packaging there? Every product, government service, etc must be printed in 7 languages equally.
Sorry Neph. Where u got that myth from Bob knows.

Some products are packaged in multiple languages to save costs when selling across different countries, but almost everything I buy in UK is in English, with the occasional product having 'subtitles' in French or such.
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#92 May 19 2006 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

I don't see why we have to make it a national language since it's required that you learn to read, write, and speak English before becoming a citizen.


Not if you're born here, captain oblivious.

Which would seem to me why English as a National language will be strongly argued as being unconstitutional by civil liberty groups. (and makes me wonder why the founding fathers didn't address an official language originally??)

I was hoping for a Global Language - probably Inuktitut.

...and remember nothing killed the kilo quicker than Congress declaring we were going metric.
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
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Yeah. You got me. I don't really think that this will help alleviate problems that non-english speakers face in this country in the long run.

...I really just want to stick it to the brown people.

You're a fuc[Aqua][/Aqua]king genius.

Honesty is refreshing!

FYI, most sociologists, hell, I'll say all of them because I don't think you could find one that disagrees, say that assimilation is a foregone conclusion. This means that even if that person struggles with the language, he'll pop out a kid that is fluent, maybe bilingual, and by the third generation the kid's likelihood of being a monolingual speaker of his new country's language is close to 100%. Simple terms: be patient.


Unless the community grows to the point that its self sustaining which seems to be the case in certain areas with hispanics

just sayin chica'

Edited, Fri May 19 14:24:09 2006 by bodhisattva
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If Smash moved to Japan, he'd criticize them for not accomodating his differences.

*slurp*gurgle*slurp*

FTFY
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#95 May 19 2006 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Is it wrong that the only reason why I would go for the "making English the national language" thing is to make going through McDonald's drive thru's easier?

I mean, really...how the heck did 3 double cheese burgers with no onions and no pickles translate to 2 double cheese burgers with no onions and no pickles and 3 cheeseburgers with no cheese?

Worse Drive-Thru experience ever.

#96 May 19 2006 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
The main reason why I support this bill is this: Assimilation.

Assimilation is biggest problem with the way our current immigration system is working. In the past immigrants came here to live and prosper in a new place with their entire family, so they had to assimilate into our culture. The trend with current immigrants is to move here for a few years and send some money back to their families wherever they are from. The problem with this is that it does not require them to assimilate into our culture, there are enough racialy specific areas that they can live in and just continue with the culture they left behind. If they do not assimilate into our culture then we will eventually lose it. If enough immigrants come and just stay, but don't feel like they belong here then they will act like they don't belong here and it will overwhelm our government and our culture.

Look at history. How often do you hear the terms Italian-American, or German-American or any of the other races that mass migrated here at the begining of the last century? The answer is hardly never since all those other races have assimilated into our culture and are now just americans. Their culture isn't gone, its just been integrated into ours. Look at Pizza, it was originally Italian and was brought here by the Italian immigrants, but it was changed a bit and became American. And hamburgers, they are now thorouhly american but they were originally from Germany. Those immigrants were assimilated partially due to the fact that in order to function in our country they had to learn english.

Now look at our current crop of immigrants, we facilitate their failer to learn english every chance we get and they are not assimilating into our culture. They are not becoming american and in the long run this will hurt our country very much.

The reason our country has become so great is because of our immigrants, because they have intertwined our culture with theres, without assimlation we'd still be the upstart colonies instead of a leading world power.

So this bill is a large step in the right direction, but its not all that needs to be done.
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
Queen bodhisattva wrote:
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If Smash moved to Japan, he'd criticize them for not accomodating his differences.

*slurp*gurgle*slurp*

FTFY


Thats funny coming from Totes skinny white side kick.
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#98 May 19 2006 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
I really have nothing to add to this discussion but I want to link to Nicaraguan Sign Language because it is neat-o.
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If I moved to Japan, I'd learn Japanese. That's all I have to say.


What if you visited Japan and were bitten by a dangerous Japanese Gaijin Eating Snake and had to go to the hospital to find that you had to die i the waiting room because you couldn't fill the forms out in Kanji?

Never mind, nothing like that could ever happen. No one visits the US legally who might require some sort of emergancy service and not speak English.

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#101 May 19 2006 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah. You got me. I don't really think that this will help alleviate problems that non-english speakers face in this country in the long run.


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Making it much harder for them do anything? I don't think anyone thinks it alleviate anything, particularly for them. What it would do is make people who wouldn't be impacted by it *at all* feel better about themselves because things were made more difficult for other people for absolutely no reason.


Hence why I used the qualifier "...in the long run."

I didn't say it would make things any easier for present non-english speakers.

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I'm sure you don't. You're more likely just much to lazy to research anything and prefer to view politics from the "sure, that'll probably work" lens of the average uniformed person.


You're really going to swing me with that scathing criticism. And you'd rather view politics from the "It's about something tangent to multiculturalism, so I'll shoot from the hip and guess that 'more languages = more good'" stance.

See? I can toss around vapid critiques too!
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