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#1 Apr 27 2006 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Bush must be pissing himself laughing....

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President Bush rode a 14- vehicle motorcade there and back to the Marriott Wardman to talk to the Renewable Fuels Association about energy conservation and other topics. En route, the motorcade passed the Exxon station next to the Watergate, where gas prices were $3.29, $3.39 and $3.49 a gallon. Just saying.

Event was open press.

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Today, President Bush Discussed The Four Parts Of His Practical Plan To Confront High Gas Prices. The President's plan includes making sure consumers and taxpayers are treated fairly, promoting greater fuel efficiency, boosting our oil and gasoline supplies, and investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline, so we can eliminate the root cause of high gas prices by diversifying away from oil in the longer term.
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Bloody brilliant Georgie boy...

Never mind tho, plenty more where that came from....

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Congress Needs To Send The President A Bill This Year Authorizing Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) Exploration. America has the ability to explore for oil in environmentally responsible ways, and we should make use of the ability. The Administration has taken steps to increase access to offshore oil, and Congress should allow environmentally sensitive oil exploration in ANWR.
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#2 Apr 27 2006 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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paulsol wrote:

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Today, President Bush Discussed The Four Parts Of His Practical Plan To Confront High Gas Prices. The President's plan includes making sure consumers and taxpayers are treated fairly, promoting greater fuel efficiency, boosting our oil and gasoline supplies, and investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline, so we can eliminate the root cause of high gas prices by diversifying away from oil in the longer term.
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Bloody brilliant Georgie boy...


italics are mine

I wonder if part of "investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline" will be putting a stop to the popular practice of oil companies buying the patents to alternative-fuel engines so that the auto manufacturers can't get ahold of them.

But then, that would cut into oil company profits...

...and the Bush family makes its money where?

Is ANYONE honestly stupid enough to believe for a moment that Bush has any interest in promoting alternative fuel research?

#3 Apr 27 2006 at 1:07 AM Rating: Default
lewis black (sp) did a thing on cheney and how he was a Big Oil CEO or something before he ran with bush. supposedly they have him a few million or so as a "farwell" gift for being such a nice CEO, he never gave it back.

so the dude in charge of our energy policy is chilling out with a few million bucks of oil money in his bank.


(may be old or inaccurate, to lazy to check this one.)

Edited, Thu Apr 27 03:02:14 2006 by bbking
#4 Apr 27 2006 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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A bit more than $1million....

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Mr. Cheney, who spent much of his life as a public official and federal employee, became a wealthy man in his years with Halliburton. He has been paid at least $12.5 million by Halliburton since he joined the company in 1995 and has received stock and options worth nearly $39 million at its current share price.
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#5 Apr 27 2006 at 1:27 AM Rating: Decent
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The original internal combustion engine inveted by Mr. Rudolf Diesel was run on peanut oil, not fossil fuels. fact

It's been more than 100 years now that alternatives to gasoline have been known, readily available, and capable of fueling vehicles. Complaining that our dependence on fossil fuel has anything to do with this president or even the last 5 is nearsighted when you consider that strong alternatives have always existed don't you think?

You can change any diesel powered vehicle to run on vegetable oil. In fact you can take that greasy toxic goo that your local Waffle House spreads on their griddles(after use of course) and filter it for fuel yourself. Free gas with purchase of grease filter.

#6 Apr 27 2006 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if part of "investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline" will be putting a stop to the popular practice of oil companies buying the patents to alternative-fuel engines so that the auto manufacturers can't get ahold of them.


Would you have a link for that?

I'm just curious...


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Edited, Thu Apr 27 06:40:47 2006 by RedPhoenixxxxxx
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#7 Apr 27 2006 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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#8 Apr 27 2006 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Ambrya wrote:
paulsol wrote:

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Today, President Bush Discussed The Four Parts Of His Practical Plan To Confront High Gas Prices. The President's plan includes making sure consumers and taxpayers are treated fairly, promoting greater fuel efficiency, boosting our oil and gasoline supplies, and investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline, so we can eliminate the root cause of high gas prices by diversifying away from oil in the longer term.
link

Bloody brilliant Georgie boy...


italics are mine

I wonder if part of "investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline" will be putting a stop to the popular practice of oil companies buying the patents to alternative-fuel engines so that the auto manufacturers can't get ahold of them.


So this guy, this guy, he made this engine that runs off pure WATER! WATER!! And it does 70 miles to the gallon, too!


But he was "mysteriously" killed a couple days after he first revealed it..
#9 Apr 27 2006 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Wow. I guess there's not much point in bothering with facts, since you guys seem to buy any conspiracy theory that comes your way...

I'm not aware that Haliburton is an oil company. Additionally, he recieved that money as part of his pension with the company. Thirdly, since he knew it would be a conflict of interest (even though his retirement shares were granted prior to the 2000 election and the later decision by the Pentagon to grant Haliburton the contract for work in Iraq and Afghanistan), Cheney placed control of those options into a charity fund.

This is doubly amusing since the thread on this same page questioning Bush's taxes mentions Bush, but avoids mentioning Cheney. Why? Because Cheney earned 8 million dollars last year. 7 million was donated to charity. Basically, the guy is giving up 7 million a year to serve in public office. That's profits he'd have right now if he wasn't VP. But he's a greedy SOB, right? Sheesh.


The rest of the insinuation about energy is laughable. So. Oil prices go up and it's Bush's fault. Bush enacts a plan to lower oil prices and it's somehow *still* Bush's fault? Funny. Clinton didn't approve any funding for hydrogen fuel cell research. Bush did. We've seen more actual progress (as opposed to talk) on alternative fuels during Bush's term then any term previous to his. But you ignore all of that and continue on with your blanket assumptions that since he's a Republican and previously employed in the Oil industry, that this somehow automatically means he's against alternative fuels and is secretly in league with the evil oil companies in some kind of plot.


Hmmmm... Got any evidence for that besides your own bias? Didn't think so.
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#10 Apr 27 2006 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
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I wonder if part of "investing aggressively in alternatives to gasoline" will be putting a stop to the popular practice of oil companies buying the patents to alternative-fuel engines so that the auto manufacturers can't get ahold of them.


Would you have a link for that?

I'm just curious...


Edit: dyxlsexic

Edited, Thu Apr 27 06:40:47 2006 by RedPhoenixxxxxx


It came from a report another student did in an ecomonics class I took a while back, so I can't provide a link. But it makes perfect sense. Oil companies are posting record profits, thanks in large part to the soaring gas prices. It's not even remotely in their interest to allow alternative fuel technologies to get to market.

Gbaji--you have obviously confused "lip service" with "action" again.

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Oil companies are posting record profits, thanks in large part to the soaring gas prices. It's not even remotely in their interest to allow alternative fuel technologies to get to market.
If they own the patent to the alternative fuel technology, wouldn't they make a bajillion dollars off cars that run on acorns instead of fossil fuel anyway? I mean, every acorn driven engine that gets built will be cash in their pocket.
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#12 Apr 27 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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It came from a report another student did in an ecomonics class I took a while back, so I can't provide a link. But it makes perfect sense


Yeah, it does. I just found that quite shocking, and wanted some evidence, but I'll try to find some on me own.

Cheers anyway, crazy stuff...
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#13 Apr 27 2006 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
Oil companies are posting record profits, thanks in large part to the soaring gas prices. It's not even remotely in their interest to allow alternative fuel technologies to get to market.
If they own the patent to the alternative fuel technology, wouldn't they make a bajillion dollars off cars that run on acorns instead of fossil fuel anyway? I mean, every acorn driven engine that gets built will be cash in their pocket.


Right on Joph, and also not to mention the huge positive effect it would have on the enviroment, because of the massive amounts of acorn producing oak trees that would have to be planted to harvest the acorns.

Ford then, instead of giving away promotions like 0% financing or "A Focus and a Dell", could just hand its customers a small potted oak tree to produce their very own acorns.

Also the squirrels and racoons would be very pleased.



Edited, Thu Apr 27 11:22:21 2006 by Redjed
#14 Apr 27 2006 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Wasn't there talk of Congress doing an investigation into the oil profits?
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There's always talk of an investigation into oil profits. It's an easy way to pretend the administration is doing something and is on your side without actually doing anything. For the sake of disclosure, I'll note that the Clinton administration did the same thing when gas prices spiked in the late 90's.
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#16 Apr 27 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
High oil prices are directly related to a steady global economy. Former emerging nations have now become industrialized power houses (China and India) and they are buying up what was once excess pumping capacity.

As for Bush investigating record profits; now that is just silly. He knows the reason why US oil companies are rolling in dough. He gave them those tax cuts a few years ago that pumped about 9 billion back into their companies collectively.
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In a twist of kismet, I've just been conscripted by the company to research biodiesel fuels.
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#18 Apr 27 2006 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
In a twist of kismet, I've just been conscripted by the company to research biodiesel fuels.

Make sure you sell your patent to Mobil!
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#19 Apr 27 2006 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
In a twist of kismet, I've just been conscripted by the company to research biodiesel fuels.


Hawaii sells both mixed and 100% bio at the pump in many areas. Alot more people there are converting over than on the mainland. For the consumer end of things you may find good info from a newspaper or local gov site.
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Biggest immediate issue I see is gelling at colder temperatures (sub 40F per Wiki). Being a Chicago based company, that'd seem to make use of pure biodiesel a little impractical for much of the year. A blend might work though. Anyway, I've only put about four minutes worth of effort into it thus far.
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#21 Apr 27 2006 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Biggest immediate issue I see is gelling at colder temperatures (sub 40F per Wiki). Being a Chicago based company, that'd seem to make use of pure biodiesel a little impractical for much of the year. A blend might work though. Anyway, I've only put about four minutes worth of effort into it thus far.
I spent quite a bit of time to see if this was a viable alternative for my family. Being in Canada, the number one problem would be geling. However, I found a resource that indicated clearly that a 50% Bio-diesel and 50% petrol-diesel mix when temps are below 5 degrees celcius will stop clouding. This is because the commercial anti-fogging additives are very effective.
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