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#1 Apr 21 2006 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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WASHINGTON -- The Food and Drug Administration declared Thursday that "no sound scientific studies" support the medical use of smoked marijuana.

The statement contradicts a 1999 review by top government scientists.

Susan Bro, an agency spokeswoman, said the statement resulted from a review by federal drug enforcement, regulatory and research agencies that concluded "smoked marijuana has no currently accepted or proven medical use in the United States and is not an approved medical treatment." She said the agency was issuing the statement because of numerous inquiries from Capitol Hill but would likely do nothing to enforce it.
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Eleven states have legalized medicinal uses of marijuana, but the Drug Enforcement Administration and the nation's drug czar, John Walters, have opposed those efforts. A Supreme Court decision last year allowed the federal government to arrest anyone using marijuana, even in states that have legalized its use.

Congressional opponents and supporters of medical marijuana have tried to enlist the FDA to support their views. Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind.) proposed legislation two years ago that would have required the FDA to issue an opinion on the medicinal properties of the drug.

Souder said he believes efforts to legalize medicinal uses of marijuana are "a front" for attempts to legalize all uses of marijuana, said Martin Green, a spokesman for Souder.
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The agency's statement contradicts a 1999 review by the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences. That review found marijuana to be "moderately well suited for particular conditions, such as chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting and AIDS wasting."
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Some scientists and legislators said the agency's statement about marijuana shows that politics are trumping science.

"Unfortunately, this is yet another example of the FDA making pronouncements that seem to be driven more by ideology than by science," said Dr. Jerry Avorn, a professor at Harvard Medical School.
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Now, once upon a time I'd have said "Hey, the FDA says so..." but, given the way the administration has been accused of strong-arming them regarding making the morning-after pill* an OTC medication, I wouldn't be suprised to hear this finding was based more on politics than medical science.


*Check it out... Pubbie news cite!
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#2 Apr 21 2006 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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The government will never legalise marijuana because there's no money to be made at any point, ever.


This is SO short sighted on their part. Taxes on the smokable part aside, the fibers and oils in the plants are potentially very, very useful.

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Yeah, echoing Samira, the only way I see marijuana getting Federal approval is if it can be taxed and regulated. Even at a prescription-only level, Uncle Sam would find a way to get his share.

The barriers here seem more social and moralistic than financial.
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#6 Apr 21 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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5000 years of recorded medical usage must not mean jack if them damn darkies are using it to rape our white women!
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Aren't there still states that would put you away for 20 years for possession?


Rockefeller drug law FTW! This way, we can have slave labor camps and give them to politically correct term of "prison work programs."

Those damn druggies won't work a day in their lives anyway, so we'll just have to force em to!
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#9 Apr 21 2006 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know if it's still true, but the laws in Texas at one time were such that you'd get 20 years for possession of marijuana with intent to sell, and something like 8 years for second degree manslaughter.
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#10 Apr 21 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
The problem with legalizing marijuana is, of course, the cut the Goverment gets. It started in Prohibition. The US Goverment set up a task force to fight Illegal Alcohol known as the Bureau of Prohibition. When Prohibition was repealed on 12/5/33 this task force was suddenly out of work. Agents are out of a job, the gov. can't take taxes from paychecks, the Agents have no money to feed the economy. (Tax Circle of Life). The fines from busting Bootleggers are gone.

Whats a Government to do?

Pick a new target. The Goverment makes far more money on illegal weed then it would on legalized, gov. controlled marijuana, hands down. If you get busted with a certain amount of weed (don't remember the exact weight, think it's over an Ounce) they can charge you with "Intent to Deliver" or "Intent to Manufacture" which both carry a Evasion of Tax Stamp (fines, major) the can seize your house, car, anything you own and turn right around and sell it at County Auctions.

Good times.

A condensed version of a liberal attitude torwards legal drugs, that I'm sure Gbaji will come along to poke a hole in something I said and fill it with complete and total repub nonsense.
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I'm sure if you're possessing enough, they'll put you away for 20 Smiley: grin

I'm fairly confident, though I'm no (imaginary) lawyer, that most places treat small amounts as a misdemeanor offence. Here's some pro-marijuana site (NORML) with State by State laws but I got bored clicking on the map. It looks like small amounts result mainly in a misdemeanor offense of potentially up to a year in the pokey and $1000 fine.
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#12 Apr 21 2006 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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It is Fri Apr 21 2006 12:01:21 P.M.

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Money Spent on the War On Drugs this Year
Federal $6,178,141,807
State $9,483,459,355
Total $15,661,621,633

The U.S. federal government spent over $19 billion dollars in 2003 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $600 per second. The budget has since been increased by over a billion dollars.

Source: Office of National Drug Control Policy

State and local governments spent at least another 30 billion.
Total yearly from both state and federal = 50,000,000,000$
I'd say thats good business!


Source: National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University: "Shoveling Up: The Impact of Substance Abuse on State Budgets," January, 2001.

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People Arrested for Drug Law Offenses this Year 487,941

Arrests for drug law violations in 2006 are expected to exceed the 1,678,192 arrests of 2003.

Someone is arrested every 20 seconds.

Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation

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People Arrested for Cannabis Law Offenses this Year 226,893

In 2002, 45.3 percent of the 1,538,813 total arrests for drug abuse violations were for marijuana -- a total of 697,082. Of those, 613,986 people were arrested for marijuana possession alone. This is a slight decrease from 2000, when a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.

Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation

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People Incarcerated for Drug Law Offenses this Year 3,342

Since December 31, 1995, the U.S. prison population has grown an average of 43,266 inmates per year. About 25 per cent are sentenced for drug law violations.

Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics

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Preventable HIV Infections this Year 1,164

Nearly 4,000 new HIV infections can be prevented before the year 2007 if the federal ban on needle exchange funding is lifted this year.

About 10 new cases could be prevented every day.

Source: Center for AIDS Prevention Studies, University of California, San Francisco

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#13 Apr 21 2006 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unfortunately, the drug companies are so deep in the profession's pockets that it's hard to trust that anyone is doing what is best for the patient's health anymore. If I remember correctly didn't they find out that 100% of the psychiatrists that write and review the DSMs (Manuals for the diagnosis and care of mental illness) have ties to major pharmaceuticals?
#14 Apr 21 2006 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
Smoked marijuana = bad; THC pill= good, Why? Because the drug companies don't make money on something you could grow yourself. There's a lot of money being thrown around to keep marijuanna from being legalized.

At one point, though not sure if it is still true, the Feds actually subsidized making joints for persons who did not respond well to the THC pills. But of course there is no medicinal use for smoked marijuana. <sarcasm for those who can't figure it out on theur own>

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I always found the phrases "no medical use" or "insufficient medical evidence" kinda funny. I mean, if there really is no medical use, then the 7 remaining people like George McMahon are the living embodiment of area 51 to the government on this issue.

Edited, Fri Apr 21 15:49:19 2006 by Molish
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#16 Apr 21 2006 at 3:13 PM Rating: Excellent
Pot alleives pain.
So do many other legal drugs.
Pot makes you lose a couple brain cells.
The body is constantly (albeit slowly) replacing brain cells.
People who lose small amounts of brain mass in accidents tend to lose little or no intelligence.
The other, legal, drugs cause things like kidney failure, blindness, addiction worse than heroin, **** leakage, and generally destroy any given organ.
Pot might prevent my lungs, and me, from running the 500m dash.

.....and which is more harmfull?
#17 Apr 21 2006 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure if you're possessing enough, they'll put you away for 20 Smiley: grin

I'm fairly confident, though I'm no (imaginary) lawyer, that most places treat small amounts as a misdemeanor offence. Here's some pro-marijuana site (NORML) with State by State laws but I got bored clicking on the map. It looks like small amounts result mainly in a misdemeanor offense of potentially up to a year in the pokey and $1000 fine.

I've been popped in SoCal for possession under an ounce. $100 fine. The court fees and restitution fees were much more, at a combined $300. $400 dollar total. The county I got popped in has been known to be a little more pissy though. Most people pay less.
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Edited, Fri Apr 21 17:19:07 2006 by Kaelesh
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Eleven states have legalized medicinal uses of marijuana, but the Drug Enforcement Administration and the nation's drug czar, John Walters, have opposed those efforts.



"There is no such thing here as a science of politics, because it is not to any one's interest to make politics the study of his life. Nothing is settled; no truth finds general acceptance. What we do one year we undo the next, and do over again the year following. Our energy is wasted in, and our prosperity suffers from, experiments endlessly repeated."

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It's only been three and a half generations. We were foolish to expect change.
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When Prohibition was repealed on 12/5/33


Liquor and wine were available at that date, but beer got a head start!

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On April 7, 1933, before National Prohibition was officially repealed, President Roosevelt signed an emergency legislation essentially declaring "let there be beer."


Oregon took surprising initiative when the feds started arresting california medical smokers. The state decided to legally support anyone protected by state law if arrested on a federal violation. So far there is no news of federal interference with Oregon's state rights.

I'm poor at reading legal documents, but I think this is it.

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A gambit with no point; the Supreme Court has not accepted challenges regarding the Federal law's supercession of state law on this matter. The best the State could hope for is a lengthy, expensive challenge with a predetermined outcome.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/scotus.medical.marijuana/
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The decision means that federal anti-drug laws trump state laws that allow the use of medical marijuana, said CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Ten states have such laws.

"If medical marijuana advocates want to get their views successfully presented, they have to go to Congress; they can't go to the states, because it's really the federal government that's in charge here," Toobin said.


There is no legal remedy until the laws are changed.


edit: Note that the link to CNN is from June of 2005. The Supreme Court now contains two more Bush-style conservative appointees. The matter will not resolve differently.

Edited, Fri Apr 21 17:31:41 2006 by Wingchild
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The best the State could hope for is a lengthy, expensive challenge with a predetermined outcome.

It's the fact that the state is willing to go to that length to protect it's citizens that I believe keeps the feds at bay. With over 10,000 registered users to arrest, and 24oz of smokeable medicine available per patient, that's alot of money in fines.

Pharmaceuticals may have the FDA in their pockets, but I have hopes that clear thinking may still prevail in the higher courts in this issue.
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John Walters has been in this thread rating it down!! Smiley: eek
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Can someone explain to me why it's illegal again? I think I forgot... for some reason...
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It's the fact that the state is willing to go to that length to protect it's citizens that I believe keeps the feds at bay.

I don't know if I can agree on that. Neither the State nor the Feds would be footing the legal bills for the process; all of the cash involved would come from the taxes they've already collected. I have yet to meet a government official who really gives a damn about how much of my money he spends. (Having worked in Washington for years, I thought I would have encountered at least one.)

They wouldn't need to prosecute 10,000 people - just a few test cases to force Oregon to drop its stance followed up by threat of arrests and fines across the board for any who continue to defy the law. Object lessons made out of doctors and patients, that sort of thing.

If anything, the feds probably haven't acted due to the swing in public opinion this would generate. A bunch of folks using medical marijuana probably don't have much income to seize. Doctors would, but there are only so many of them, and they will surely characterize any attack as an assault on patients rights and states rights. Bad publicity.
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