What a sick fûckFollow

Against the death penalty.

Granted, this woman is a waste of space, but she is also obviously mentally ill. Not even killing her will make her sorry for what she did. People like this do themselves in in the end. Do you thin she'll ever be happy, or even lucid? No. She'll ***** up again. They always do.

But how does one do themselves in the end if they dont realize what they are doing? If we followed that line of thought and she was clinically labled mentally ill then A. I could see there being a waver in the call for her blood. and B. she wouldnt realize what she did was wrong. By taking the murder in 2nd degree plea she obviously knows what she did WAS very wrong. If her lawyer thought there was any way for her to get off by pleading insanity they would have jumped on it.

Anyone who kills, esp a child is definitely crazy. But not the type of crazy where you should not accept the responsibility for your actions. She knew what she was doing. she waited until it was the last day of the familys ultimatum. She has enough mental capacity to get back at the people who made the ultimatum. I disagree. While she might be crazy, shes not mentally ill enough to warrant getting off as easy as she is

That's not what I mean by mentally ill. A sociopath is mentally ill. They know what they are doing is wrong, they just don't care. The part of them that would care just off and took a sabbatical. This is part of what makes it so terrible.

The problem with that thinking is that you're not a sociopath, and so it's inherently flawed. Of course it is a heinous, unspeakable thing, and you get that because you're well. Acknowledging her condition doesn't exonerate her, it just doesn't put her at your level, so trying to argue with her is impossible. It's like what they told you about punching a kid with glasses, except that kid wouldn't hesitate to pull a .45 on you and blow you away and balme you for making them do it, then tell anyone around it was no big deal and get over it.

All noted, all true. Like I said, that's not part of her illness.

Well, the fact that her punishment is so light is just dumb luck and lack of foresight on the part of our legal system. That's still 29 years in jail, and unless you have a crystal ball you don't know for sure if she'll survive them, or if she will make other bad decisions in the future that will lead her down this same path, with worse effects.

Working in a hospital I see all kinds of things, and most of the time time I'm able to mentally detach so that I can continue to do my job. Don't let that make you think I don't feel for all involved, but there is a point at which you have to be objective and not project your feelings onto a situation. For every woman like this, there is some person who is innocent sitting on death row, and you can't always play to the extremes, horrible as they may be.

Edited, Wed Apr 12 14:48:13 2006 by Atomicflea

I'm not arguing that either extreme justifies the other. I'm saying that extremes are just that, meant to pull our thinking in one direction over the other. My sangfroid may just be because I don't have any kids of my own, or because I see so much humanity that I can't chracterize quite as easily as I once did.


I know. It's what makes you such a good lay.

and yet you waste a whole lot more space than they. Funny, isnt it?

Yeah! I mean with a wimpy post-count and karma like mine, how could I ever please a woman? I should really look for advice from studs like you.

Well put.

I know that post count and karma are what do it for me!

That's pretty f'd up right there.


As for me? I think the death penalty is perfectly fine, but only if it's on a strictly volunteer basis.

The death penalty should be widely applied and frequently used. Moreover, it should be rather immediate, let's say at dawn 365 days past the date of the initial conviction, wherein an appeals court has reviewed the evidence within that time frame.

Justice is served.

Crimes ranging from white collar theft of company 401k funds to child abuse would be subject to the death sentence. I'd even go so far as to say that society could have no restrictions on its' members so far as no harm was done to another. You want to drink and drive? Fine. But the one time you crash into another car and kill its' occupants or destroy even property, you pay with your life. Same goes for consuming presently illegal pharmaceuticals, driving recklessly, or any other behaviors which are not accidental in nature and from which a rational human being can predict harmful results.

The Kingdom of Totem would be a relatively crime free and genuinely liberating place to hang out.

:D

How would you deal with "grey areas"?