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#1 Mar 29 2006 at 4:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Profanity getting worse? You bet your @&*#
Almost 75% of Americans say they hear it in public frequently, poll finds

By JOCELYN NOVECK
Associated Press


This is a story about words we can't print in this story.

You probably hear these words often, and more than ever before. But even though we can't print them — we do have our standards — we can certainly ask: Are we living in an Age of Profanity?

Nearly three-quarters of Americans questioned last week — 74 percent — said they encounter profanity in public frequently or occasionally, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. Two-thirds said they think people swear more than they did 20 years ago. And as for, well, the gold standard of foul words, a healthy 64 percent said they use the F-word — ranging from several times a day (8 percent) to a few times a year (15 percent).

Just ask Joe Cormack. Like any bartender, Cormack, of Fort Dodge, Iowa, hears a lot of talk. He's not really offended by bad language — heck, he uses it himself every day. But sometimes, a customer will unleash the F-word so many times, Cormack just has to jump in.

"Do you have any idea how many times you've just said that?" he reports saying from time to time. "I mean, if I take that out of your vocabulary, you've got nothin!'"

And it's not just at the bar. Or on TV. (Or on the Senate floor, for that matter, where Vice President **** Cheney used the F-word in a heated argument two years ago.)

At the community college where Cormack studies journalism, students will occasionally inject foul language into classroom discussions. Irene Kramer, a grandmother in Scranton, Pa., gets her ears singed when passing by the high school near her home.

"What we hear, it's gross," says Kramer, 67. "I tell them, 'I have a dictionary and a Roget's Thesaurus, and I don't see any of those words in there!' I don't understand why these parents allow it."

For Kramer, a major culprit is television. "Do I have to be insulted right there in my own home?" she asks. "I'm not going to pay $54 a month for cable and listen to that garbage." And yet she feels it's not a lost cause. "If people say 'Look, I don't want you talking that way,' if they demand it, it's going to have to change."

In that battle, Kramer has a willing comrade: Judith Martin, who writes the syndicated Miss Manners column.

"Is it inevitable?" Martin asked in a recent interview. "Well, if it were inevitable I wouldn't be doing my job." The problem, she says, is that people who are offended aren't speaking up about it.

"Everybody is pretending they aren't shocked," Martin says, "and gradually people WON'T be shocked. And then those who want to be offensive will find another way."

Perhaps not surprisingly, profanity seems to divide people by age and by gender.

Younger people admit to using bad language more often than older people; they also encounter it more and are less bothered by it. The AP-Ipsos poll showed that 62 percent of 18 to 34-year-olds acknowledged swearing in conversation at least a few times a week, compared to 39 percent of those 35 and older.

More women than men said they encounter people swearing more now than 20 years ago — 75 percent, compared to 60 percent. Also, more women said they were bothered by profanity — 74 percent at least some of the time — than men (60 percent.) And more men admitted to swearing: 54 percent at least a few times a week, compared to 39 percent of women.

Wondering specifically about the F-word? (For the record, we needed special dispensation from our bosses just to say 'F-word.') Thirty-two percent of men said they used it at least a few times a week, compared to 23 percent of women.

"That word doesn't even mean what it means anymore," says Larry Riley of Warren, Mich. "It has just become part of the culture." Riley admits to using the F-word a few times a week. And his wife? "She never swears."

A striking common note among those interviewed, swearers or not: They don't like it when people swear for no good reason.

Darla Ramirez, for example, says she hates hearing the F-word "when people are just having a plain old conversation." The 40-year-old housewife from Arlington, Texas, will hear "people talking about their F-ing car, or their F-ing job. I'll hear it walking down the street, or at the shopping mall, or at Wal-Mart.

"What they do it their own home is their business, but when I'm out I don't need to hear people talking trashy," Ramirez says. She admits to swearing about once a month — but not the F-word.

And Donnell Neal of Madison Lake, Minn., notes disdainfully how she'll hear the F-word as just an adjective for emphasis, as in: "That person scared the f--- out of me!" Neal, 26, who works with disabled adults, says she swears only in moments of extreme frustration, "like if someone cuts me off when I'm driving, or if I'm carrying something and someone shuts the door in my face." Even then, she says, she'll likely use "milder cuss words" — and never at work.

The AP poll questioned 1,001 adults on March 20-22, with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

For those who might find the results depressing, there's possibly a silver lining: Many of those who swear think it's wrong nonetheless.

Like Steven Price, a security guard in Tonawonda, N.Y., who admits to sometimes using swear words with colleagues or buddies, "like any old word."

Price, 31, still gets mad at himself for doing it, worries about the impact of profanity (especially from TV) on his children, and regrets the way things have evolved since he was a kid.

"As I get older, the more things change," says Price. "And I kind of wish they had stayed the same."


I used to date this guy with the foulest mouth this side of a Quentin Tarantino flick. Before that, I used words like "darn" and "crap" a lot. After we broke up, I realize I had picked up a lot more. One of my all-time favorite words now is "Goddamnit". I use it for everything. I've even gotten my mother using it, and she's a nurse. Doctors love that one. I haven't much thought about it, but I suppose it's just not that big a deal to me. I wouldn't say it in front of a respected older person, but if I drop a heavy lamp on my foot, chances are I'm taking the Lord's name in vain to ask him to damn that fu[Beige][/beige]cking lamp.
#2 Mar 29 2006 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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My brother uses the word 'f[/Aqua]uck' as filler like some use 'ummm' or 'ok'. Any and all situations its almost embarrassing to be around "That f[Aqua]ucking guy, what the f[/Aqua]uck is his name? You know that f[Aqua]ucker that drives the Lumina. F[/Aqua]uck I can't remember his name. Anyways I told the f[Aqua]ucking guy that if he steps up on more f[/Aqua]ucking time that I would beat the f[Aqua]uck out of him". No hyperbole there.


I am clean mouthed for the most part. Which makes it the more impressive when I come out of nowhere and call a guy a filthy co[Aqua][/Aqua]ckhole.

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#4 Mar 29 2006 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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My brother uses the word 'f[/Aqua]uck' as filler like some use 'ummm' or 'ok'. Any and all situations its almost embarrassing to be around "That f[Aqua]ucking guy, what the f[/Aqua]uck is his name? You know that f[Aqua]ucker that drives the Lumina. F[/Aqua]uck I can't remember his name. Anyways I told the f[Aqua]ucking guy that if he steps up on more f[/Aqua]ucking time that I would beat the f[Aqua]uck out of him". No hyperbole there.

Sounds like the guy I dated. One time I was talking to his mother, and she was telling me about her friend, who owned a toy terrier, and how when she took her out for a walk, she made sure to bring baby wipes to clean out 'its tw[/Black]at.' There was a moment of stunned silence as the then-boyfriend turned bright red and stuttered to his mother about inappropriate language, at which point she told him to go fu[Black]ck himself.
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My father is an electrician. His nickname is "Fuc[black][/black]king John", and was given to him for a reason.
#6 Mar 29 2006 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good


I picked up a horrible mouth while in the army. It is easy to tell, in fact, when I have spent some time in NY with my army buddies because my foul language gets even worse. My husband, having spent many more years in the army than I, seems to have his foul language ingrained permanently in his brain. I know it is rude, but it just....comes out of my mouth without even noticing. I think the only people I am still able to watch my mouth around are my professors.

#8 Mar 29 2006 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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With my husband in the Navy, I know that my language has gotten worse over the years. It was like profanity by osmosis. Ironically, he watches his language a lot now and I'm the one that ******* drop a goddam word for no provocation.
#9 Mar 29 2006 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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What is most shocking to me is that it sounds so unladylike coming out of others, but I refuse to think it's a big deal when I say it.
#10 Mar 29 2006 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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My girlfriend is a very casual swearer, which she got from her mother. I try not to be so casual about it - I still swear, but I try to make it poignant.
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#11 Mar 29 2006 at 10:05 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm actually much better at holding back on the swearing than I once was. Dunno why, but it's actually enough of a change that I've noticed it in myself and I'm pretty damned obtuse when it comes to self-realization.

I actually explained to someone why I needed them to not turn a 15 minute break into a 30 minute break yesterday without ever making him cringe. Florida has made me soft. I'm gonna go buy a taser so I can be sure I'm making my point clearly next time.
#12 Mar 29 2006 at 11:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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when Im with my friends and no kids are in sight, I could put most truckers to shame. I just dont see why a word should have such a strong reaction by the masses. Yeah I am a hypocrite. If I really thought that way then I should have no issue swearing in front of my kid. However I do realize that my thoughts and the thoughts of society dont always mesh, so I try and teach him other words to use until he can know the difference. There is a time and place for everything.

When I am surrounded by adults though and we're out to have fun I dont even think about it. They're adjectives in my mind, and ones that are no worse than more genteel ones.
#13 Mar 29 2006 at 11:41 PM Rating: Good
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A well placed and well spaced damnit can do a lot of good.


I live by that quote, basically, when it comes to cursing. I avoid it as much as possible, but sometimes it can help to get your point across, and as Bodhi essentially stated, it also makes it that much more forceful when you do curse if the people around you never hear you do it. The less people expect it, the more useful and powerful it can be in getting someone's attention.
#14 Mar 30 2006 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's like any bad habit. I get strict with myself, then gradually get lax, and then realize I've backslid and watch it for a while.

At work I talk to a fair number of clients, and the last thing I need to do is go all potty mouth on them; so I tend to slow myself down and pay attention to what I'm saying to a much greater degree than I do otherwise.

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#15 Mar 30 2006 at 4:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smiley: laugh Fenderputy! We have a friend we used to play EQ (and FFXI) with and he used to do the amazingest ****** things, so we'd always say f*cking before his last name (because we all called him by his last name) until one day I said that he should just change his first name to that since that's all we ever called him.

I picked up swearing from my parents too. Been doing it since the sixth grade. I remember having a pretty bad mouth back then, something along the lines of what bodhi describes his brother as.

It's pretty annoying when I swear in my linkshell and people start screeching, "Eeee omigawwwwd Pikko swore!!!11!" as if I've made their eyes bleed by putting swear words after <Pikko>.

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#16 Mar 30 2006 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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Pikko Pots wrote:
It's pretty annoying when I swear in my linkshell and people start screeching, "Eeee omigawwwwd Pikko swore!!!11!" as if I've made their eyes bleed by putting swear words after <Pikko>.

Just remember to put -aru after every swear word.

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My language has gotten a lot cleaner over the last few years, which really only means I don't say fu[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]ck or goddammit as much as I used to. I got really bad while I was tending bar. But since I've been working at a job where almost no one cusses (at least not much, the worst you hear is damn and ***) and I have a child that repeats everything I say, I've toned it down a lot.
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I have a potty mouth too. I am trying to clean it up for my daughter's sake but I'm sure, after all our trips in the car, that her first real phrase will be "you stupid co[Aqua][/Aqua]cksucker".

Yay!
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The first time my mother ever swore in front of her father was when she was going to marry my father, walking down the isle, and said "Oh ****".

I picked up swearing from my buddies in college, 40% of which were military bound, and spent a lot of time around a good number of people who used it all the time. Part of the vernacular. Like if you didn't drop the f-bomb it was some kind of faux pas.

Plus the people who "indoctrinated" us had a serious Full Metal Jacket fixation.
#20 Mar 30 2006 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
I think it's quite sexy when a woman I would not expect to hear profanity from uses it. Particularly when refering to their own anatomy or the act of intercourse in the most vulgar way possible.

Rate ups for any femmes who can now make me blush.

As for myself? I curse less these days, doesn't mean I don't want to, I just find the opportunities to do so fewer and farther between.
#21 Mar 30 2006 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Swearing is clever and makes you look cool. It's a proven scientific fu[Beige][/Beige]cking fact.
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I have a potty mouth too. I am trying to clean it up for my daughter's sake but I'm sure, after all our trips in the car, that her first real phrase will be "you stupid co[Aqua][/Aqua]cksucker".

Yay!

One of my nephew's first words was "Goddamnit". I immediately got blamed, but now that I look back, it could have been grandma. Smiley: dubious
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Ha! My grandma will be the cause of my kids saying certain things too. Like "boow-shet" or "oh god damn". She mutters both of those a lot.

And like Tare my kidlet is picking stuff up all over. She'd been saying "ohh my gawwwd" lately and one day I blurted out CRAP!! and she goes "ohh my craaap!". Hubby just shook his head at me and I wanted to crawl under the desk.
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#24 Mar 30 2006 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Ha! My grandma will be the cause of my kids saying certain things too. Like "boow-shet" or "oh god damn". She mutters both of those a lot.

And like Tare my kidlet is picking stuff up all over. She'd been saying "ohh my gawwwd" lately and one day I blurted out CRAP!! and she goes "ohh my craaap!". Hubby just shook his head at me and I wanted to crawl under the desk.

My neice says "Dirty *******". Pretty proud of that one, actually.
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My husband and I are really trying to tone down the swearing at home so the baby doesn't pick it up, but it's tough since I swear alot when I'm comfortable, haha.

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#26 Mar 30 2006 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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the son has learned damnit, but I think I finally got it in his head that darn it is much more fun to say. He likes to say it.... a lot
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