Hey guys, sorry I haven't posted in a long time. Started playing FFXI again full time during maternity leave and then started work up again last month. Anyway, I was hoping to get some opinions on this.
Last year I quit my state job at the university because it was boring the hell out of me and making me into this poor excuse of a state worker. It took me almost 3 months to find a new job and hubby was starting to get on my *** about filing for unemployment, which was so embarrassing for me. So when I went for an interview at this company I put down a low salary number because I didn't want to not get the job. Well, I got the job and as some of you remember, I'd just found out I was pregnant again. This made it somewhat difficult to ask for a raise even though I was obviously fitting in very well at the company and exceeding their expectations and they were coming off of two previous failed hires in my position.
I've made real friends at the company. One of them is my supervisor because she's really one of the best people I've met. This seems to be the strong point of this company. That made it easier to be getting such crap pay. But fast forward 9 months and now the pay issue is different because now I have two kids and soon they both will be in day care. I looked around at the jobs out there since the Hawaii job market is really good right now and found a position I'd fit into advertising with a salary 6k more than what I make now. I talked to my supervisor about this and she said that raises are given out at the end of the fiscal year and that she can tell me that I would be getting one, but that it wouldn't be anything like what that other job offers.
So now what I'm having a hard time deciding is whether or not I should stay at this company with this job I really enjoy or just say ***** it, I'm worth more than this and go elsewhere. They're my friends, they're shorthanded and having a hard time replacing someone who recently left. Hubby says what I get paid is a joke, but that my happiness means a lot too. I haven't held a job for longer than 1.5 years and this has always been due to more money coming up (with the exception of this job). But now that it's come up again I don't know if I should stick with loyalty with one company and work my way up or just bail and start all over again somewhere else but at a higher pay. Thoughts?
Something else to add is that I was told that I started at higher than what they usually hire at. Which is funny since it's a jewelry company.
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That's a tough one. I think it's usually kind of rare to find a job where your boss is easy to get along with and you know where you stand. It's always hard in that situation. But part of your job happiness is earning enough to not only keep you afloat, but get ahead. If this job can't do that for you, it's probably time to move on.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
If you're making enough (even if you can make more...you decide what enough means), and you like where you're at, stay there. I'll never make what I'm worth because I work for nonprofits that can't afford to pay me more. It's a choice. I could work in a job I'd like less and make more money, and maybe someday I'll need to, but not right now.
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If they cannot at least come close to the industry standard for pay in your state, and if there is little hope of reaching that level of pay any time soon, and if your need for more money is important enough to you and your family's wellbeing, then you should seek employment elsewhere.
It's a cost:benefit analysis that only you can do. You're going to be giving up something good no matter which way you go, so it's only a question of the "net good" in the two situations.
It's a cost:benefit analysis that only you can do. You're going to be giving up something good no matter which way you go, so it's only a question of the "net good" in the two situations.
This reminds me of the first "real" job that I got. I was working for a sole practitioner attorney with whom I started out as a non-paid intern. I was able to swing the internship into a full-time paralegal for about 6 months. I loved my boss, the hours were easy, we were right next to the beach and he was a surfer so lots of times we took the laptops out to the beach and worked there while he surfed. If I had a question, I waved a bright red bandana and he paddled in. It was glorious. But the pay he was giving was barely more than minimum wage. So I applied for a job at a huge multi-national law firm and the pay they started me at was ridiculously high with full benefits. I got my own huge office with a view of the Coronado bridge, had an assistant and I got to hobnob with the power people. At the bright age of 22, I fell for the money and prestige and glamour hook, liner and sinker.
In less than a year at that job I was completely burned out. The hours were unbelievably long because it was the middle of the dot-com and biotech explosion and the law firm specialized in tech company financings. The bloom was off the flower and I was losing steam and motivation.
Looking back on it now, I see that every person needs a balance of financial incentive and personal satisfaction. I agree with Nexa, if there is some way to fit your financial necessities with the pay that you're on now at the company and job you adore, stay there. If there isn't anyway, you'll have to move on, but just make sure that you're working for your living and not living for your work.
In less than a year at that job I was completely burned out. The hours were unbelievably long because it was the middle of the dot-com and biotech explosion and the law firm specialized in tech company financings. The bloom was off the flower and I was losing steam and motivation.
Looking back on it now, I see that every person needs a balance of financial incentive and personal satisfaction. I agree with Nexa, if there is some way to fit your financial necessities with the pay that you're on now at the company and job you adore, stay there. If there isn't anyway, you'll have to move on, but just make sure that you're working for your living and not living for your work.
Just a thought, have you asked your company if they have a possible telecommuting? I'm not sure what you do, but if you could do that, then you could stay with the job you're happy at and cut on the cost of child care.
We don't need the money, but I keep an eye out on telecommuting jobs as it is because I don't want to miss these years before the boys go off to school. It's just a thought.. Though, I'm not sure that's even what you want.
We don't need the money, but I keep an eye out on telecommuting jobs as it is because I don't want to miss these years before the boys go off to school. It's just a thought.. Though, I'm not sure that's even what you want.
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Kids tend to cost more than $6k. You may need the extra income. If the new job is in line with your skills and goals, go for it.
I guess your husband has a fairly steady job that handles most expenses and that your income is additional help beyond that. I say this because you seem to have no particular career aspirations. You haven't mentioned what kind of job you're really after (personal fulfillment goal) or if you're seeking a particular level of salary (economic fulfillment goal). I can't detect any drive, which no doubt makes the choice difficult for you.
Maybe you can have it both ways. Check out the new job, interview for it, get a competing offer. See if the numbers they put on paper match your +$6k expectation.
Take that competing offer to your boss, and say "Hey, I love the people here, I love the environment, I love you! and I would really like to keep working here. Can you match this?"
Many jobs that can't or won't give you a raise will find themselves willing to stretch a bit more if they risk losing a valued employee. It's cheaper to retain you than to train someone else up and hope they fit, particularly given that they had two failed hires in the job you're holding.
If they meet the competing offer, great. If not, you have another position lined up for higher pay. Win-win.
I guess your husband has a fairly steady job that handles most expenses and that your income is additional help beyond that. I say this because you seem to have no particular career aspirations. You haven't mentioned what kind of job you're really after (personal fulfillment goal) or if you're seeking a particular level of salary (economic fulfillment goal). I can't detect any drive, which no doubt makes the choice difficult for you.
Maybe you can have it both ways. Check out the new job, interview for it, get a competing offer. See if the numbers they put on paper match your +$6k expectation.
Take that competing offer to your boss, and say "Hey, I love the people here, I love the environment, I love you! and I would really like to keep working here. Can you match this?"
Many jobs that can't or won't give you a raise will find themselves willing to stretch a bit more if they risk losing a valued employee. It's cheaper to retain you than to train someone else up and hope they fit, particularly given that they had two failed hires in the job you're holding.
If they meet the competing offer, great. If not, you have another position lined up for higher pay. Win-win.
i know this isn't the issue but just for someone else reading this who is in similar situation, i think you only can get the insurance if you didn't quit the job. the last job, that is.
as for your current situation, i've learned that some/most companies wont necessarily be loyal to you if they have to let you go. let's say you have a baby coming up and they need to let some people go. a pregnant lady might be a good choice, since they'll be losing you for a few months already anyway. they wont even consider that you're pregnant and need the job, they'll just think of you as a pretty good candidate for letting go.
as such, i would say also that you should take the higher-paying job for the sake of your family. if that weren't the case, i'd suggest to stay at the job that makes you happier. $6k is not a whole lot of difference when you enjoy a position or enjoy good company with the co-workers and bosses.
what wingchild suggests is a great alternative also.
Forget the amount of money you COULD be making somewhere else and focus on what you can make where you currently work. If a raise will give you enough to get by, then you should indicate to your supervisor what you need to get by and that you would really like to stay. You've already communicated that you know what you could be getting if you tried other employers, so it's not necessary to drive that point any further. To do so would be counterproductive to the bargaining process, despite what many people would seem to think. Obviously, what you want is something from your current job, not just a monetary sum form any source. Talk to them, see what they can offer.
I have yet to see an armored car following a hearse. If you like your job, that's worth more than money. If they can offer something you can live with, I'd suggest taking it.
I have yet to see an armored car following a hearse. If you like your job, that's worth more than money. If they can offer something you can live with, I'd suggest taking it.
I come off a long stint with not-for-profits and such, and I say don't make any decisions based on the maybe's, but get some definitive numbers first. If you can swing your current budget until the end of the year when the raise would come, fabulous, but keep in mind that a $1.50 more an hour once a year may never close that $6K gap. You'll make new friends, you'll move one another job that makes you happy if the higher-paying one doesn't work out, but at least you'll have a higher asking price.
There is also the kind of burnout that comes from working hard and not being able to live comfortably off your pay.
There is also the kind of burnout that comes from working hard and not being able to live comfortably off your pay.
I replied to this at work yesterday and when I was ready to post our stupid internet went down and never came back so I lost everything I wrote.
After reading what everyone thinks, I've decided to wait it out until the raise, which is in three months. I figure the job is worth plugging through for that much longer and if it's still not good enough, I'll start looking for something new. I'll probably be really picky to ensure that I do find myself in another happy environment.
One other bad thing about this is they have no parking, so I have to park a 12 minute walk away. While this is nice exercise wise, we are located in an industrial area and there's some pretty creepy homeless guys walking around sometimes. There is no indication whatsoever that I'll ever get parking. One of my good friends at the company purchases supplies (and thus has to lug them from the street), has been with them 3 years and still has to street park.
I appreciate what everyone had to say. Wingchild hit the nail on the head. I don't really want to be anything specific. I'd just like to make more than peanuts is all. The most frustrating thing for me is that I never seem to be happy.
Any idea how to find out what salary ranges for a state are? I remember doing some research into that for one of my old companies but don't remember at all how I started looking into that.
After reading what everyone thinks, I've decided to wait it out until the raise, which is in three months. I figure the job is worth plugging through for that much longer and if it's still not good enough, I'll start looking for something new. I'll probably be really picky to ensure that I do find myself in another happy environment.
One other bad thing about this is they have no parking, so I have to park a 12 minute walk away. While this is nice exercise wise, we are located in an industrial area and there's some pretty creepy homeless guys walking around sometimes. There is no indication whatsoever that I'll ever get parking. One of my good friends at the company purchases supplies (and thus has to lug them from the street), has been with them 3 years and still has to street park.
I appreciate what everyone had to say. Wingchild hit the nail on the head. I don't really want to be anything specific. I'd just like to make more than peanuts is all. The most frustrating thing for me is that I never seem to be happy.
Any idea how to find out what salary ranges for a state are? I remember doing some research into that for one of my old companies but don't remember at all how I started looking into that.
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