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#27 Mar 24 2006 at 8:36 AM Rating: Default
After a student's parents, his instructors are typically the primary authority figure in a student's life with a superior-subordinate hierarchy established from kindergarten onward.
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ok, you have been spending too much time swollowing what you read in books, and little to no time in the real world. must be a republican.

the teen years are the worst for rebellion in a child. the point where they start shedding their parents "authority" in search of their own. theri most prominant role modles at this point are their peers. yes, the other 30 boys in his classroom who also wanted to get down her pants were his role models, thus elevating him to almost godlike status amoung his peers.

this teacher wasnt an "authority" figure to this kid, this teacher was "a piece of ********** to this kid. and like President Clintons *******, while the fanatical right was screaming for someones head (pun intended), the rest of the male population, including his father, where saying "there is a problem?....."

if it was my kid, tears of pride would well up in my eyes, and i would swear to my wife they were tears of anger. the real world.
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#30 Mar 24 2006 at 10:55 AM Rating: Default
The immature male in me wants to shake this kids hand. The parent in me, well, I know in my heart what she did is wrong.

A little off topic but somewhat related here...

Why is it that a 14 yr old can be charged as an adult in a murder trial and be committed to prison for life but, he can not seem to make his own choices about a sex life?



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Why is it that a 14 yr old can be charged as an adult in a murder trial and be committed to prison for life but, he can not seem to make his own choices about a sex life?
I don't see where the two compare.

It is illegal for an adult to have sexual intercourse with someone under the age of consent. In an adult-child relationship, the law considers the adult to be at fault regardless of the willingness of the minor. The adult is prevented by law from engaging in that relationship.

In a murder trial, it is illegal for anyone to go killing anyone. In a murder "relationship", the guy doing the killing, minor or adult, is at fault even if the victim consented to being murdered (see assisted suicide trials). The court will decide based on the minor's age and other circumstances how to pursue the the charges but there's isn't a question of "at fault".

Edited, Fri Mar 24 12:01:43 2006 by Jophiel
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#32 Mar 24 2006 at 12:58 PM Rating: Default
Jophiel, I probably should have provided a little background as to why I asked that question. A short time ago here in Massachusetts a 16 yr old was caught having consensual sex with his girlfriend. His girlfriend was only 14 (actually she was like one month away from being 15). The 16 yr old was charged with statutory rape and sentenced to six months in juvenile hall. The age of consent in Massachusetts is 16.

Now there was a great debate in Massachusetts as to whether he should have been sentenced to jail. One argument that was brought up was if the 14 yr old girl committed murder, she would have been charged as an adult. On the other hand, she was only 14, therefore not old enough to choose whether she should have sex or not...

Jophiel, you are correct in saying that these are two different subjects. Reading this thread just reminded me of the debate a few months back.

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Edited, Fri Mar 24 13:00:11 2006 by shadomen
#33 Mar 24 2006 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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I believe that the emotional effect that this kid has having sex with an adult was when he realized how much sh'it hit the fan when the cat (pu'ssy) was out of the bag. If I remember correctly, he started bragging about having sex with this teacher to some friends and a cousin. His mother overheard him bragging and confronted her son.

The police report even states that the boy is the one that called Debra La Fave to hook up because his cousin and friends didn't believe that he was banging his hot teacher.

I'm not saying what she did was not wrong. It was wrong because of she was in a position of authority, took advantage of said position to seduce someone at the age of 14. But this kid was not a complete innocent who didn't know the birds and the bees. He and his parents are embarrassed that all this came out in public and they became tabloid targets.

Edited, Fri Mar 24 13:14:06 2006 by Thumbelyna
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The age of consent in Massachusetts is 16.
Well, there ya go. I said adult-minor for ease of use but the 16 year old, being over the AoC, had a legal restriction from engaging in sexual intercourse with a 14 year old (or 15yr old for that matter) who was under the AoC.
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One argument that was brought up was if the 14 yr old girl committed murder, she would have been charged as an adult. On the other hand, she was only 14, therefore not old enough to choose whether she should have sex or not...
That may be an argument, but it's not a good one. She may be charged as an adult for murder but she can't buy cigarettes, drink beer, vote, enter into a legal contract or get a driver's license either. So long as she isn't being jailed for being the second party in an adult-minor relationship, I don't see how AoC laws differ from any of the other "coming of age" legal milestones.

Thumb, you may well be right. I read the police reports on Smoking Gun but that was going on two years ago at this point. I still believe my previous statements may be correct under some circumstances but may not apply to this particular case.
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#35 Mar 24 2006 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel, do you believe there is a double standard out there for situations like the one I mentioned? Reverse the roles and say the girl was 16 and the boy was almost 15. Do you think the girl would have been placed in jail for what happened?

The reason why I ask this, and please correct me if I am wrong, you seem to have a black and white opinion on the whole age of consent issue. I believe there is a shady gray area in this that should be judged on a case by case basis.

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#36 Mar 24 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel, do you believe there is a double standard out there for situations like the one I mentioned? Reverse the roles and say the girl was 16 and the boy was almost 15. Do you think the girl would have been placed in jail for what happened?

The reason why I ask this, and please correct me if I am wrong, you seem to have a black and white opinion on the whole age of consent issue. I believe there is a shady gray area in this that should be judged on a case by case basis.

no hostility was meant in this post


When would it be okay?
#37 Mar 24 2006 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
Am I the only one who doesn't think this teacher is hot?
#38 Mar 24 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Am I the only one who doesn't think this teacher is hot?


I think so. I'd do her and blond white girls aren't my type.
#39 Mar 24 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd hit it. She's not hot hot. But she's hotter than any teacher I had (excluding college).
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Am I the only one who doesn't think this teacher is hot?


I don't really think she's all that, either.
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shadomen the Irrelevant wrote:
Jophiel, do you believe there is a double standard out there for situations like the one I mentioned? Reverse the roles and say the girl was 16 and the boy was almost 15. Do you think the girl would have been placed in jail for what happened?
As Gbaji pointed out, AoC laws are usually left to the parents to press charges. Realisticly, it's unlikely the boy's parents would press charges. Legally, it would be in their right to do so. There may be a societal double standard but not a legal one in this case.

There are, if I recall accurately, states with different AoC laws for males and females. I don't particularly agree with that.
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The reason why I ask this, and please correct me if I am wrong, you seem to have a black and white opinion on the whole age of consent issue. I believe there is a shady gray area in this that should be judged on a case by case basis.
Well, I think that's partially what the sentancing phase is for and what we entrust judges to do. Barring minimum sentancing laws, a judge can (and hopefully will) be more leinent on a 16yr old in a relationship with a 15yr old than he would a 25/13 relationship. However, I will also say that if you're taking the position that a 14yr old girl is old enough to be responsible for her own sexual decisions, I'd hope you'll agree that a 16yr old should be mature enough to keep their pants on around their under-AoC partner when a possible arrest is on the line.
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#43 Mar 24 2006 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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In a case of a 16/14 though, I'd be willing to bet the 16 y/o might not even be aware there is AoC. I don't think I knew about it at that age.
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I knew of AoC laws at 16 but I'm not about to speak for the teen community as a whole Smiley: laugh

Should I ever have a daughter, I'll be sure to inform her suitors of their potential legal liabilites so my conscious remains clear Smiley: wink2
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#45 Mar 24 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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...But you don't intend the same speech for your son's dates?
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shadomen the Irrelevant wrote:
Jophiel, do you believe there is a double standard out there for situations like the one I mentioned? Reverse the roles and say the girl was 16 and the boy was almost 15. Do you think the girl would have been placed in jail for what happened?

The reason why I ask this, and please correct me if I am wrong, you seem to have a black and white opinion on the whole age of consent issue. I believe there is a shady gray area in this that should be judged on a case by case basis.

no hostility was meant in this post


I do believe in the state of Mass the AoC of males is 14. So in effect, if the ages were switched it would not have been considered stat rape
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...But you don't intend the same speech for your son's dates?
Societal double standards 4tw!
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#48 Mar 24 2006 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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What happened is she was prosecuted in two different counties. She plea bargained in the first county (they had sex at the school and at her house in this county) and got the ridiculous sentence of probation and no jail time.


What I find sad is that she got off, #1 she is a beautiful woman, #2 She had sex with a boy who was 14 yrs old. I know that is prolly every young guys dream. I think she got off because of how she looks. But, what the hell is wrong with adults wanting to have sex with a child? That is nasty as hell. If it had been a 25 yr old male having sex with a 14 yr old girl, he would be in jail no questions asked.

Here in Ga this 30 something teacher had started having sex with her son's friend when he was 15 yrs. old, when he turned 16 they got married, now she is pregnant and is facing jail time. The woman to me is no that pretty. I know that no Dad wants to hear about their little girl banging a 25 yr old. But, it is a double standard. Which shouldn't matter because grown people should not be having sex with children.

That woman is fine enough to get someone her own age to bang her, why she chose a 14 yr old, just means she as f'cking problems. (Unless she didnt know he was 14, and he didnt look 14, Im not sure if she knew, but if she did know shame on her.)

Edited, Wed Mar 22 00:05:58 2006 by kalaria


It's actually a double standard for quite a few reasons.

1) A 14-year-old male who is attracted to women would not regret this having happen.

2) A 15 year old male can overpower a 25 year old female in most circumstances, where as a 15 year old girl most likely cannot overpower a 25 year old man.

Also, why do you think god (Higher power, whatever you believe, I don't care) gave men and women the ability to reproduce at the age of 11~14? They are physically ready for it, so it's not "nasty", though a bad idea in most cases. Most people at the age they gain the ability to have children aren't mentally ready to deal with it in our world, mainly because of social stigmas.

You say it's nasty now but what about 200 years ago? Perfectly acceptable for a 30 year old man to be with a 13 year old girl, and no one found it strange.

What makes you say it's "nasty" now? Social stigmas, nothing else, create your anxieties on this subject. If our society accepted it you probably wouldn’t care.

Also there is the fact that everyone is different. Who’s to say that all 13-year olds aren’t physically and mentally ready to have sex?

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...But you don't intend the same speech for your son's dates?


Show me an 18 year old girl that wants to date a 16 year old boy. Most, if not every girl I knew at that age, dated older. It used to be a source of my pain as I watched all the hot seniors get plucked up by HS graduates.
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In today's news...
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Bail was set at $750,000 today for an East Leyden High School teacher charged with sexually assaulting a 17-year-old female student.

McQueen "Basil" Duncantell, 28, a first-year teacher at the Franklin Park high school, was arrested Wednesday evening after the student allegedly told a friend that she and the teacher were involved sexually, police said.
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The girl was a student in Duncantell's psychology class, and the two allegedly had repeated sexual encounters in a classroom after school, police and prosecutors said.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around the exact nature of the charge here.

It sounds as if the sexual acts were consentual despite the term "assault". I base that from "told a friend they were involved sexually" and the repeated encounters. And the AoC in Illinois is 17 which should make her legal. So either she's had a birthday since the encounters or else the mere fact that he was a teacher at her school made it a criminal sexual assault charge.

And, not that it is ever permissible for an educator to have a sexual relationship with a student at their school but this chuckle-nut just graduated from college, got a teaching job and couldn't even keep it in his pants for six God damned months before he permanently fu[Cyan][/Cyan]cked his life over.
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I think so. I'd do her and blond white girls aren't my type.


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