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#1 Mar 03 2006 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
isn't the worst thing you can call a bunch of whiners but it's the first thing that popped out of my mouth.

I can understand when people who do physical labor complain about not wanting to work over a certain amount of time. Likewise with those who must be highly alert or creative to fill their job duties. But when your job consists of handing out assingments to others and then following through to be sure that those assignments are completed to satisfaction, I have trouble being sympathetic when you create a bad situation and complain about it.

I know a group of people who were recently informed that they must work 5 days weekly instead of 4 days weekly. They must spend the 5th day doing special projects to improve the level of performance of their personnel. I got to hear a 3-way ***** session about being stuck with a 5 day work week today. I was probably snappy with them, but my opinion was aked and I gave it. I called them a group of bleeding vaginas and asked if they'd like a box of tampons.

Now I KNOW this is an extremely sexist remark, so nobody has to go through the effort to point that out to me. The idea was to insult their manliness and that was the first insult that popped into my head. Plus, I give a damn about being sexist. I yam what I yam.

Am I so lonely in my belief that if you don't enjoy your job you should find one that you DO enjoy or at least one you don't hate? Christ, the door is that way. If you don't want to work here, then leave. Nobody is twisting your damn arm to stay. Is it THAT hard to understand? Either be part of the solution or stop being part of the damn problem. Grrr.

#2 Mar 03 2006 at 9:53 PM Rating: Default
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Hm... sounds like you might need a tampon yourself.
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#3 Mar 03 2006 at 10:04 PM Rating: Good
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Since when was working 5 days out of the norm? They were lucky they got the 4 day work weeks while they had them.

That, and I like that term. I think I'll use it.
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#4 Mar 03 2006 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bleeding vaginas lead to crimson cunnilingus.


#5 Mar 04 2006 at 2:02 AM Rating: Default
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Iamadam the Shady wrote:
Since when was working 5 days out of the norm?


Well, if you looked at my life, it is.

I have more 6-day workweeks than 5-day ones.

The whiny people in question... meh, they need to learn how to deal with it.

I just don't get why TStephens is being so whiny about THEM - people are going to bi[b][/b]tch and moan about their jobs anyway, even if 99% of it is wonderful.

Why? Because people love to whine.
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#6 Mar 04 2006 at 2:24 AM Rating: Good
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Iamadam the Shady wrote:
Since when was working 5 days out of the norm? They were lucky they got the 4 day work weeks while they had them.


It depends on your schedule. When working out of town it was not unusual for me to work a 4 day week (either 4 10s or 3 12s and a 4). As long as there are 40hrs a week it's still a full time job. So maybe they have a right to b*tch. I'ld be a little pissed if all of a sudden someone added some extra hours to my work week and screwed up my kids visitation schedule or my 2nd job or whatever I had previously scheduled for that time. Sure it's up to the individual to decide if the extra aggravation is worth the compensation, but I can't believe you'ld expect them to just suck it up with no grousing at all.
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#7 Mar 04 2006 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
You know, I guess the sand in my own ****** about their whining is that the situation is of their own creation.

Our boss could give 2 ***** how many hours you put in if the job is being done properly. If you get your area perfected you cn come and go as you please and nary a word wil be said. He's suggested that I take up golf because I could shoot out for a hours in the middle of the day and get in a few holes, swing back in, take care of anything that's popped up and then leave again. Well, that and he'd have someone handy he could thrash out on the course whenever he felt like a few quick holes...

My area isn't perfected, so I'm grinding away at it until I'm satisfied. Plus, I'm an established and certified workaholic. Point is, you have to clean up your own messes and you sholdn't whine if the price of doing so is to work a little extra. These guys were given months and months of warnings to improve before the various improvement exercises were handed to them as orders instead of instructions. I guess that's where my sand really cmes from.
#8 Mar 04 2006 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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TStephens wrote:
Am I so lonely in my belief that if you don't enjoy your job you should find one that you DO enjoy or at least one you don't hate? Christ, the door is that way. If you don't want to work here, then leave. Nobody is twisting your damn arm to stay. Is it THAT hard to understand? Either be part of the solution or stop being part of the damn problem.


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Point is, you have to clean up your own messes and you sholdn't whine if the price of doing so is to work a little extra. These guys were given months and months of warnings to improve before the various improvement exercises were handed to them as orders instead of instructions.


Either or both of these would have been more effective in getting your point across. Your remark wasn't as sexist as it was totally pointless. If your job description includes using abusive language whenever necessary just to make yourself feel better, congratulations: mission accomplished. Now, if it involves infecting your employees with your obvious love of a job well done, your're failing miserably.
#9 Mar 04 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Either or both of these would have been more effective in getting your point across. Your remark wasn't as sexist as it was totally pointless. If your job description includes using abusive language whenever necessary just to make yourself feel better, congratulations: mission accomplished. Now, if it involves infecting your employees with your obvious love of a job well done, your're failing miserably.


These guys aren't my employees; they're in management. When they come whining to me, I feel that I should be able to give them an answer that I would not give an hourly employee. Every one of them has seniority on me in this joint and even though we work in different depts., we should be about the same on the chain of command. Yet I find myself playing cleanup behind them constantly so I'm pretty disgusted that they're whining about being told to clean up their own messes.

I actually have 2 employees that would make much better supervisors than any of these guys. I guess I should use proper tense: I have 2 employees that WILL make much better supervisors than these guys. It's just a matter of time and development. The transistion from do to tell isn't an easy one for many people and I think the most common mistake in the business world is to assume that because someone can do that they will be able to tell. I'm a bossy **** and it wasn't easy for me, lawksamercy. I imagine it's pure hell for someone who isn't assertive. Then again, my biggest challenge was to not micromanage, so I could be wrong on that one.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that their whining just isn't justified. Not by a long stretch. They just don't do their jobs and don't like the concept of being pushed towards fixing the problems. It particularly bothers me because I usually pick up on how they're missing the most very basic things like cleaning up behind themselves.

Warehouse + food = must be kept clean.

Aww, fuggit. I'm so far over and past the whole incident that I don't feel like revisiting it any more. There will be bigger and better things to gripe about by Monday.

#10 Mar 04 2006 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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First-rate employees hire first-rate employees. Second-rate employees hire third-rate employees. I feel for you, I really do. There's nothing worse than knowing you could do your bosses job better then they can.

That reminds me of another little saying I had a while ago on my tear-away calendar. It went something like this:

"I didn't like how my boss ran the company, and we disagreed on a number of instances. We parted ways on good terms. I got on the bus, and he got in his limo."

So tell me, with the whole actual work-time put in, how many hours a week would these people be expected to work before/after?
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#11 Mar 05 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
Iamadam the Shady wrote:
First-rate employees hire first-rate employees. Second-rate employees hire third-rate employees. I feel for you, I really do. There's nothing worse than knowing you could do your bosses job better then they can.

That reminds me of another little saying I had a while ago on my tear-away calendar. It went something like this:

"I didn't like how my boss ran the company, and we disagreed on a number of instances. We parted ways on good terms. I got on the bus, and he got in his limo."

So tell me, with the whole actual work-time put in, how many hours a week would these people be expected to work before/after?


Just because I'm feeling particularly amiable today, I'll be glad to try to give a good answer to that...

The little scrap of paper we sign indicates that salaried employees are expected to put in a minimum of 50 hours each week, but also specifically states that we must work as much as necessary to fulfill the business needs. There is no stated cap on the hours to be worked, nor an offer of comp time or anything like that in the document. It's a very employer-oriented document. If, like myself, relocation expense was issued, it is repayable if the employee bails or is canned, pro-rated over a 12 month period. All in all, on paper it makes it pretty easy to decide if you DON'T want that level of committment.

So, if you're looking at it from a stance of "How much will I be making for the work I do?" then you have to figure at least a 55 hour week from an hourly's point of view. Calculate in the OT and you see that the base level of managers (all of us involved in the bleeding ****** incident) make more than any of the hourly employees would for working the same amount of hours, but only by about 15-20%. Nobody's going to be retiring afte 5 years to a Caribean island and if they do, I want to know the secret.

So the "profit" in the equation comes in from the boss's statement that he doesn't really care how little or much you work, so long as you get it done properly. You can get it done in 40 hours? Good for you, keep up the great work. I know the man fairly well and he's good at giving ut the right work loads so you're never going to get away in like 35 hours, no matter what. Not for two consecutive weeks, anyway. You'll find yourself getting educated in another aspect of the business or be assigned some online training courses or something. But if you've got it together you can slide out in 40-45 hours every week without any problems or hassle. It's all driven by job performance.

#12 Mar 05 2006 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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but my opinion was aked and I gave it. I called them a group of bleeding vaginas and asked if they'd like a box of tampons.



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