Cheves just told delta and continental airlines they are not allowed to fly through their airspace nor land in venezuala any more.
also told american airlines their flights will have to be significantly reduced.
the background, the FAA has restricted for many years which carriers can come into the U.S. from their country. the reason is safety issues. they have dismal aircraft safety proceedures, everything from substandard parts, to no periodical inspections. they are an accident waiting to happen.
there is also the political manuvering from U.S. airline lobbiest. the fewer of their carriers allowed into this country, means the bigger piece of the pie we get form the traffic going back and forth between the two countries.
which plays a bigger part in restricting their carriers from comming here is open to debate.
let the pissing begine.
for those of you who dont fully comprehend, our air traffic going back and fourth to south america is a FRIGGIN HUGE BOOMING industry for our airline industry. so much so, many U.S. carriers are scrapping routes here in the U.S., leaving them for the discount carriers, to expand resources going there.
gona cost us hundreds of millions.,
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mabe, mabe not. when the airlines start laying off people from flight crews to ground personel, maintenance, etc, they may end up competing for your job when they start looking for work. also, they wont be buying much, so if they were a potential customer of yours, it will cost you. it will also cost bussiness doing bussiness in south america too.
then again, mabe not.
with the reduced number of flights, the price of tickets going back and fourth will skyrocket too.
hard to say. depends on what field you currently have a job in. as an air traffic controller, it is certainly going to lighten up my load. especially in light of the fact the area i work handles the majority of the traffic going back and fourth to south america.
personally, i hope, well, i know the government will not cave in to this type of extortion, and that is what it is, extortion. will be interesting to see what type of leverage the airline lobbiest actually have when they start loosing millions and begine whinning like stuck pigs to whatever politician they own.
will be interesting to see what happens. Chavez is also threatening to cut off our oil comming from their country. apparently, he missed the whole Iraq thing./
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mabe, mabe not. when the airlines start laying off people from flight crews to ground personel, maintenance, etc, they may end up competing for your job when they start looking for work. also, they wont be buying much, so if they were a potential customer of yours, it will cost you. it will also cost bussiness doing bussiness in south america too.
then again, mabe not.
with the reduced number of flights, the price of tickets going back and fourth will skyrocket too.
hard to say. depends on what field you currently have a job in. as an air traffic controller, it is certainly going to lighten up my load. especially in light of the fact the area i work handles the majority of the traffic going back and fourth to south america.
personally, i hope, well, i know the government will not cave in to this type of extortion, and that is what it is, extortion. will be interesting to see what type of leverage the airline lobbiest actually have when they start loosing millions and begine whinning like stuck pigs to whatever politician they own.
will be interesting to see what happens. Chavez is also threatening to cut off our oil comming from their country. apparently, he missed the whole Iraq thing./
Heathens!
I think it's about time we invade and install a puppet government, what do y'all say?
What color are them Venezuelans, anyways?
I think it's about time we invade and install a puppet government, what do y'all say?
What color are them Venezuelans, anyways?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
On the other hand, not having American air carriers (the general industry, not specifically that company) service Venezuela will significantly cut into the volume of people moving back and forth between the US and them. Less people means less commerce.
Chavez is playing the populist with a socialist flavor. This is all well and good for a while, especially while oil is expensive, but when the bill comes due in terms of eventual lower personal income and diminished economic power, all of a sudden being all things to all Venezuelans looks less like an attractive option to the clear thinking and forward looking citizen.
Finally, just who do you think controls access to US airport's gates? The FAA, who in turn is the hand of the government. Arbitrarily picking a fight with us for the sake of a few votes is a losing proposition in the end, because we can up the ante. Venzuela needs us more than we need them.
Preventing or making travel more difficult for people with ties or business ties to the red, white, and blue wearing 500 pound gorilla just makes poor economic sense.
Totem
Chavez is playing the populist with a socialist flavor. This is all well and good for a while, especially while oil is expensive, but when the bill comes due in terms of eventual lower personal income and diminished economic power, all of a sudden being all things to all Venezuelans looks less like an attractive option to the clear thinking and forward looking citizen.
Finally, just who do you think controls access to US airport's gates? The FAA, who in turn is the hand of the government. Arbitrarily picking a fight with us for the sake of a few votes is a losing proposition in the end, because we can up the ante. Venzuela needs us more than we need them.
Preventing or making travel more difficult for people with ties or business ties to the red, white, and blue wearing 500 pound gorilla just makes poor economic sense.
Totem
Totem wrote:
Chavez is playing the populist with a socialist flavor. This is all well and good for a while, especially while oil is expensive
Venezuela's exports, near as I can tell and I'm no expert, are petroleum, natural gas, steel & aluminum (natural iron/bauxite reserves), gold and diamonds. There's a pretty global market for any of those and the rest of the world doesn't share Bush's distain for Chavez. I get the impression that Chavez is full of bluster and grand showings of thumbing his nose at the US, but I think any comments that the nation's economy will be sabotaged over this are overstated.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
From Wikipedia:
It pretty much depends on which side of the fence you're sitting on if you think Chavez is a liberated thinker or a renegade. One of his more basic beliefs is that his country really doesn't need the United States to mediate Latin-American politics and business the way that it does, and that doing so pretty much amounts to neocolonialism, which would in turn make free nations the subjects of the United States rather than sovriegn in their own right.
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Hugo Rafael Chávez FrÃas (English IPA: ['ugo(ÊŠ) ˌɹɑfe(ɪ)'É›l 'tʃɑbɪz 'fɹiɪs]; Spanish IPA: ['uÉ£o rafa'el 'tʃaβes 'fɾias]; born July 28, 1954) is the 53rd and current President of Venezuela. As the leader of the "Bolivarian Revolution", Chávez is known for his democratic socialist governance, his promotion of Latin American integration, and his criticism — which he terms anti-imperialism — of neoliberal globalization and United States foreign policy.
A career military officer, Chávez founded the leftist Fifth Republic Movement after a failed 1992 coup d'état. Chávez was elected President in 1998 on promises of aiding Venezuela's poor majority, and reelected in 2000. Domestically, Chávez has launched massive Bolivarian Missions to combat disease, illiteracy, malnutrition, poverty, and other social ills. Abroad, Chávez has acted against the Washington Consensus by supporting alternative models of economic development, and has advocated cooperation among the world's poor nations, especially those in Latin America.
Chávez has been severely criticized, mostly by Venezuela's middle class and upper classes. He has been accused of electoral fraud, human rights violations, and political repression, and has survived both a brief 2002 coup and a failed 2004 recall referendum. Whether viewed as a socialist liberator or an authoritarian demagogue, Chávez remains one of the most complex, controversial, and high-profile figures in modern Latin American politics.
A career military officer, Chávez founded the leftist Fifth Republic Movement after a failed 1992 coup d'état. Chávez was elected President in 1998 on promises of aiding Venezuela's poor majority, and reelected in 2000. Domestically, Chávez has launched massive Bolivarian Missions to combat disease, illiteracy, malnutrition, poverty, and other social ills. Abroad, Chávez has acted against the Washington Consensus by supporting alternative models of economic development, and has advocated cooperation among the world's poor nations, especially those in Latin America.
Chávez has been severely criticized, mostly by Venezuela's middle class and upper classes. He has been accused of electoral fraud, human rights violations, and political repression, and has survived both a brief 2002 coup and a failed 2004 recall referendum. Whether viewed as a socialist liberator or an authoritarian demagogue, Chávez remains one of the most complex, controversial, and high-profile figures in modern Latin American politics.
It pretty much depends on which side of the fence you're sitting on if you think Chavez is a liberated thinker or a renegade. One of his more basic beliefs is that his country really doesn't need the United States to mediate Latin-American politics and business the way that it does, and that doing so pretty much amounts to neocolonialism, which would in turn make free nations the subjects of the United States rather than sovriegn in their own right.
Venezuala will do just fine without us. they do not need anything we have to offer. like Cuba for so many years, there are plenty of other countries in the world to do bussiness with.
thats the bottom line.
it might supprise alot of you to find out the world doesnt revolve around this country. and the more little pissant thungs like Chavez pop up and thumb their noses, the more the rest of the world will understand that.
then mabe the fanatical right will begine to understand exactly what this addministraition has cost this country by trashing decades of foreign relations to show the world our **** and tell them "its our way or the high way".
Chavez is only the latest. look at Hamas in gaza, iran, and even areas of africa are threatening to nationalize the oil fields we invited ourselves to down there.
Chavez is only the latest manifestation of the dismal foreign policy of this addministraition. we are slowly being alienated for the rest of the world. welcome to the new world order brought to you by the moral majority.
thats the bottom line.
it might supprise alot of you to find out the world doesnt revolve around this country. and the more little pissant thungs like Chavez pop up and thumb their noses, the more the rest of the world will understand that.
then mabe the fanatical right will begine to understand exactly what this addministraition has cost this country by trashing decades of foreign relations to show the world our **** and tell them "its our way or the high way".
Chavez is only the latest. look at Hamas in gaza, iran, and even areas of africa are threatening to nationalize the oil fields we invited ourselves to down there.
Chavez is only the latest manifestation of the dismal foreign policy of this addministraition. we are slowly being alienated for the rest of the world. welcome to the new world order brought to you by the moral majority.
shadowrelm wrote:
then mabe the fanatical right will begine to understand exactly what this addministraition has cost this country by trashing decades of foreign relations to show the world our **** and tell them "its our way or the high way".
Yes. Because the "fanatical right" has controlled this country non-stop for the last 60 years...
Are you seriously trying to imply that all our foreign woes started when Bush took office? Um... Earth the shadow... The guys who flew those planes into those big tall buildings? They were training for it before Bush took office. Clearly, that attack could not possibly have been the result of any foreign policy change he caused.
Our "decades of foreign relations" resulted in 9/11. That's not exactly what I'd call a resounding success...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
shadowrelm wrote:
Venezuala will do just fine without us. they do not need anything we have to offer. like Cuba for so many years, there are plenty of other countries in the world to do bussiness with.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
gbaji wrote:
shadowrelm wrote:
then mabe the fanatical right will begine to understand exactly what this addministraition has cost this country by trashing decades of foreign relations to show the world our **** and tell them "its our way or the high way".
Yes. Because the "fanatical right" has controlled this country non-stop for the last 60 years...
Are you seriously trying to imply that all our foreign woes started when Bush took office? Um... Earth the shadow... The guys who flew those planes into those big tall buildings? They were training for it before Bush took office. Clearly, that attack could not possibly have been the result of any foreign policy change he caused.
Our "decades of foreign relations" resulted in 9/11. That's not exactly what I'd call a resounding success...
It's not as though Bush couldn't try being at least a little bit better about things, the odd relationship between him and Vicente Fox seeming to have been pissed all over for little reason and with little done to try and repair. And I imagine you could refer to the "decades" of foreign relation to some extent given a number of people in the administration such as Cheney have been around for a while and probably had some impact on things even if through simply inaction.
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