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#1 Feb 19 2006 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
So today, I'm buzzin along I4 at a good clip headin over to St. Pete to meet someone for a date when a jerk , for no discernable reason, changes lanes from the right hand lane to the middle lane, directly into the space I was occupying. There wasn't a single vehicle in sight in the lane in front of her, no exit lane coming up, nothing. She just suddenly, without a blinker, swerves into the middle lane and starts driving there instead of the right hand lane where she had been. I am a pretty good defensive driver and am always watching out for people like this because they seem to be far too common for my taste. I managed to avoid her but nearly flipped myself in the process.

Fortunately the road immediately behind me was just as bare as the road ahead of her and after I wobbled all the way across from the left lane to the right lane regaining control from the near roll my swerve had put me into, I was able to simply unclench my buttocks and drive normally.

As I got back up to cruising speed, a couple of things occurred to me. First, was how close I had come to actually going for a roll. Very. I didn't feel the wheels leave the pavement, but I certainly felt them set back down. That was what sent me back across the highway. Second, that the jerk never even touched her brakes. If her action had caused a 20 car pileup, I think she'd have just kept on going with never a glance back.

So I guess I should answer the burning question that everyone (ok, maybe one of you) has at this point:
What did I do about it?

The answer is nothing. I didn't do anything about it. I didn't call the cops, I didn't get her license plate and call in an airstrike, I didn't flash my lights, blow my horn, tailgate, or give her the finger. I didn't even glare at the back of her vehicle.

I let her have that lane and used another one to pass her and got on with my plans for the day. The Picassos were ok, but the room they were displayed in was horrid for the purpose. I think I'll see her again.

My question for the world is: Why can't people learn to drive?

It's not hard. You use the right hand lane for default traffic. If you are in the right hand lane and you come up behind someone, use the lane to your left to pass them. If you are driving in a lane other than the right hand lane and someone comes up behind you, get over to the right until they have passed. If you are in a lane and you are coming up behind people very often, you are drivign too fast for that lane. If you are in a lane and people are driving around you on both sides, you are driving too slow for that lane. If you need to change lanes, use a blinker and look before you change; use of your blinker does not equate to absence of another vehicle in the space you wish to occupy. If you drive in a country where the steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car, disregard this message. I've heard about you people and there's not much I can offer to ease THAT lunacy.

#2 Feb 19 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
i like it when your behind a few cars in the passing lane, still moving faster than those in the crusing (righthand side) lane. and the guy behind you decides your going way to slow and flies passed you and right up to the bumber of a slower car in the right lane. i always get a smirk on my face as i pass them knowing their pissed because i wont let them back in. (till im passed them)

futile efforts to cut 10sec of time off your time getting to wal-mart amuse me.
#3 Feb 19 2006 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Feb 19 2006 at 10:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I tend to hate everyone else on the road.
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#5 Feb 19 2006 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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I tend to hate everyone else on the road.


/nod

I had pretty much the same thing happen on the way back from the ski slopes Wednesday, except it was fairly heavy traffic and we saw it coming so we managed to slow down in time for the guy to just cut us off rather than running into us. He was completely oblivious too, didn't even look over when we passed him later.

Of course, he was on his cell phone...
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#6 Feb 19 2006 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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All that sh[/b]it, on a regular daily basis, is why I'm glad I'm not commuting around Westchester anymore.
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#7 Feb 20 2006 at 1:14 AM Rating: Decent
Hooray for public transit.

All I have to deal with on the bus is old men putting their hands on my lap (never ride the 21 out of St.Paul at night), and people who don't understand that someone with headphones on generally dosn't want to chitchat.
#8 Feb 20 2006 at 4:10 AM Rating: Decent
I mostly just hate the people that wait until the last possible second to change when their lane is going away.

They will try to slip past every responsible person who notice the first sign to merge to the left and hope that someone will let them slip by.

I always try to change lanes as soon as possible.
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#9 Feb 20 2006 at 5:48 AM Rating: Good
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It's not hard. You use the right hand lane for default traffic. If you are in the right hand lane and you come up behind someone, use the lane to your left to pass them. If you are driving in a lane other than the right hand lane and someone comes up behind you, get over to the right until they have passed. If you are in a lane and you are coming up behind people very often, you are drivign too fast for that lane. If you are in a lane and people are driving around you on both sides, you are driving too slow for that lane. If you need to change lanes, use a blinker and look before you change; use of your blinker does not equate to absence of another vehicle in the space you wish to occupy. If you drive in a country where the steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car, disregard this message. I've heard about you people and there's not much I can offer to ease THAT lunacy.


I'm beginning to suspect that that's something that they aren't making abundantly clear for the inept drivers coming up through driver's ed. nowadays. My parents taught me most of those basic road courtesies, but a lot of my friends don't seem to have any knowledge of 'em.
#11 Feb 20 2006 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I think everyone should be forced to drive a 23' box truck fully weighted down in drivers ed. That will teach people a whole new respect for things.


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#12 Feb 20 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Where I'm from you never get over 35 on the driver's test. I never took driver's ed but there are no roads over 55 (no easy access to interstates) so driving on more than a four lane road is rare. I've had to learn to adjust to driving in a city and using a large state road and two interstates to get to work. I know some of you guys probably have larger problems than that.

I may not be the best driver, but I try to be polite and find an opening so I can get over, I always look, and I always signal.

I may be a little rude if you've been riding in my blind spot for 2 miles while I've had my blinker on to get in that lane, let me in for the love of Christ.

If it rains here, say goodbye to going 20mph on any road with more than zero lanes.
#13 Feb 20 2006 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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...changes lanes from the right hand lane to the middle lane, directly into the space I was occupying. There wasn't a single vehicle in sight in the lane in front of her, no exit lane coming up, nothing. She just suddenly, without a blinker, swerves into the middle lane and starts driving there instead of the right hand lane where she had been...

...Fortunately the road immediately behind me was just as bare as the road ahead of her...

...You use the right hand lane for default traffic. If you are in the right hand lane and you come up behind someone, use the lane to your left to pass them...


Who were you passing at the time, on the empty stretch of highway?

Point being, that everyone is right in their own eyes. The vast majority of people feel that they are above average drivers. So if 90% of the people are above average drivers then how come it seems like 90% of the people are idiots on the road?

Now being completely honest with myself I can recall several mistakes, sh[/b]itty moves, or just plain bad decisions I've made driving, some of which were just downright dumb.

Do I hate the as[/b]shole driving 40 in a 55 with their blinker on? You bet I do. Have I ever been lost, looking for a road that I knew was right here, squinting at roadsigns through a rainy windshield trying to catch mine before I zoom past it. Was I going 55 while trying to concentrate on trying to make out those tiny letters? I doubt it.

Do I shake my fist at that stupid bi[/b]tch who just flew across 3 lanes of traffic nearly killing me in the process? Oh ya! Have I ever made a last second manuever to catch that exit on the left side of the highway when I was expecting it on the right, knowing that if I missed it I was going to have to spend probably half an hour on one way streets in a city I've never been too trying to get back on the expressway and backtrack hoping the exit exists in that direction on the highway? /guilty.

Do I flip the bird at that cun[/b]tbubble flying past me in the right lane weaving in and out of traffic like he owns the highway? Oh ya I do. But what would I do if I just got the call that my wife was in the hospital and not expected to make it through the hour?

None of us are perfect drivers, maybe it was just her day to fu[/b]ck up and you drew the cosmic lucky number.
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#14 Feb 20 2006 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
I don't frequent this board often, but I love hearing about shi[/b]tty drivers! A few weeks ago we were driving on the parkway in the right hand lane because our exit was coming up soon. In the meantime there was an on ramp, and people were, you know, getting on the parkway. Well, any time that I've ever gotten on the parkway, I've yeilded to those in the right lane. Sometimes I get mad because they could move over to the middle lane so I can get on, but in this case there was someone right next to us so moving over was not an option. So instead of yeilding, this bit[b]ch in a Foxton's mini cooper decides to almost take out our side. Then she has the nerve to get behind us and tailgate us with her highbeams on. Now not only was it her fault, but she pulled a stupid move in her company car. We got her license plate number and called up Foxton's and gave them an earful. I'm sure she won't lose her job, or get in trouble in anyway. Maybe they'll just say "Hey, don't do that in the company car," but still. There are so many idiots out there. I've done my share of stupid moves, but I knew they were my fault and didn't try to pass blame on the other person. xythex is right in a way. Everyone thinks they are great drivers. It's when they think they didn't do anything wrong that I get pissed off, and, living in New Jersey, I get a lot of that. Especially arrogant bastards from New York. You know, the city, where no one drives anyway, but once they come to New Jersey they think they're king shi[/b]t of fu[b]ck mountain!
#15 Feb 20 2006 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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All I know is, after driving a few hours time in NY and NJ, when I came back to the Baltimore/Washington area I really felt that my "skill level" of driving had increased beyond the norm of the area.

You really can tell a difference between driving skills in different locales.

One thing I noticed about "up North", is that people honk their horns at absolutly NOTHING, and no one else thinks twice about it. DOWN here, honking your horn is a good way to start an altercation. I think it's just because they KNOW that they are ****** drivers and get extra defenses.


As far as "agresssive driving" goes... It's a damn neccesity. I calll it "assertive driving", because if you try to drive rationally, you will get cut off, honked at, passed, tailgated, and ran off the road by all the other ******** out there... It's run with the flock or get left in the dust.

Recenlty I was pulled over for "unsafe lane-changing". All i was doing was going around all the ****** slow traffic.... The cop asked me waht my problem was... I simply said "Pfft!!" and gesured toward the obvious idiocy that was going on in the road next to us... an area where an exit is located, so people feel the need to try to bypass certain lanes so that they can get ahead of everyone... and thus causing all the other idiots to panic and slow down. My "unsafe lane changing" was me trying to get as far away from it as possible..

GOD, I am so full of road rage I could write a fu[b][/b]cking book about it.

Let's see, this morning... 5 MPH backup on I-95... for about 7 miles.. WHY? you ask? cause a person with a flat tire was getting his car hitched off on the side of the road.. THAT WAS IT! Smiley: banghead.


I really could go on and on and on and on...... I'll spare ya's.
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#16 Feb 20 2006 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Let's see, this morning... 5 MPH backup on I-95... for about 7 miles.. WHY? you ask? cause a person with a flat tire was getting his car hitched off on the side of the road.. THAT WAS IT! Smiley: banghead.


I HATE THAT! And don't get me started on summer traffic. It is impossible to go south on the parkway in the summer. I blame it all on the New Yorkers!
#17 Feb 20 2006 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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There is a difference between offensive driving, and aggressive driving...

As I see it, offensive driving is taking initiative to get away from all the morons. Aggressive driving is either: taking initiative to fu[/b]ck with other people, or taking initiative without noticing or giving other drivers any consideration.
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#18 Feb 20 2006 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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My average speed driving is around 72MPH. Usually I find that I naturally will find an area of the highway where I am alone and right in between a pack of cars ahead of me and behind me. The farther away I am from the morons the better.

I assume that everyone else on the road is drunk and stupid. Keeps me on my toes.


I'll alwso add that my horn is broken, and I never realized how truly useful it really is until it's gone.

Of course I think now rather than wasting my time honking it, I just get the hell out of the way of wahtever idiot is pulling into my lane without looking, or pulling out into traffic right in front of me so all I can do is swerve the hell out of the way and shake my fist out the window... ridiculous...


and usually after one of our infamous backups, wehn the cars finally get their pace going again because they have passed the man pulled over on the opposite side of the highway, taht is wehn I will become aggresive.. just to make up for the time I spent waiting and KNOWING that we were stopped for no other reason than people being inconciderate non-driving fu[b][/b]ckwads...

It's amazong how far you can get with good adrenaline pumping... the cars almost seem to part for you like the Red Sea... of course being who I am equate it with some kind of Matrix-like control over my environs... notbing like merging onto a busy highway blaring Ministry's TVII and avoiding your brake pedal like the plague.....


If you ask "Why can't people learn to drive?", I'd say to get your answer you'd have to break that question down farther and ask "Why can't people learn not to suck?".... which I think is really the $64,000 question.
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#19 Feb 20 2006 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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It's amazong how far you can get with good adrenaline pumping... the cars almost seem to part for you like the Red Sea... of course being who I am equate it with some kind of Matrix-like control over my environs... notbing like merging onto a busy highway blaring Ministry's TVII and avoiding your brake pedal like the plague.....

You know, that's how I feel about driving too. It's like how, say, Michael Jordan plays basketball, or Tiger Woods plays golf. As if they have an extra set of senses, or are slowing down time, or can see everything going on from another perspective. I often don't need to consciously think about driving, relying more on what seems like instinct.
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#20 Feb 20 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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scary that we're the safer drivers Smiley: lol


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#21 Feb 20 2006 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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#22 Feb 21 2006 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not hard. You use the right hand lane for default traffic. If you are in the right hand lane and you come up behind someone, use the lane to your left to pass them. If you are driving in a lane other than the right hand lane and someone comes up behind you, get over to the right until they have passed. If you are in a lane and you are coming up behind people very often, you are drivign too fast for that lane. If you are in a lane and people are driving around you on both sides, you are driving too slow for that lane. If you need to change lanes,


Coming from mainland Europe I always wonder why in the UK people have this highly annoying habit of ALWAYS driving in the middle lane on the motorway even when the left lane (equal to the right lane for those who drive on the right side of the road)is empty.
FFS USE THE bloody left lane when it's empty! Move to the central or right lane only when you overtake, it would surely cut down on the darn traffic jams due to idiots doing 60 in the central lane or worse the right one.

*thinks of car full of chicks doing 45MPH in the central lane and causing a 10 mile tailback*
#23 Feb 21 2006 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Couple observations.

First off, to the OP. I'm assuming there were three lanes, since you referred to the right and middle lanes. Um... Given that there was no traffic, why not pass in the far left lane? Give youself that extra lane of space, just to be safe. Defensive driving is about assuming that someone will randomly decide to move into your space. Assume that it'll happen and always position yourself in the safest spot possible.

Also. Don't dawdle when passing. Couple of mentions in this thread bring this up. The whole thing about someone passing you on the right, then getting stuck when you don't let them back in? Um... That usually means you're passing too slowly. Worse, you're one of those people who slows to about 1mph faster then the car in the next lane when passing, but then accelerates like crazy when you finish (so you can get to the next car and pass super slowly).

Do it the other way around. The safest spot to drive is in the gaps between clumps of cars. Drive at a moderate speed when you're in the open areas, leaving the clump behind you behind, and allowing for faster drivers to pass you between this group and the next. When you approach the next group of cars, find an open lane and pass. Don't match speeds. Don't spend 5 minutes passing one car. That's not only annoying as all heck, but probably the least safe way to drive.

Same deal with the OP. I'd have moved another lane over and moved past as quickly as possible. Don't give the other driver the chance to swerve into your lane. If you've got wide open freeway, why on earth are you getting close to the one other car on the road?


I also totally disagree with this bit:

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Well, any time that I've ever gotten on the parkway, I've yeilded to those in the right lane. Sometimes I get mad because they could move over to the middle lane so I can get on, but in this case there was someone right next to us so moving over was not an option. So instead of yeilding, this ***** in a Foxton's mini cooper decides to almost take out our side.


I see it the other way. Sure. Technically, the person in the lane has right of way, but let's be sensible here. Presumably, the car already on the freeway is going faster then the one on the ramp. This means that typically, if you are in the right hand lane, you can see the car entering on the ramp ahead of you and to the right, while you are approaching at a faster speed from behind him and to his left. He's got very little leeway in terms of speed adjustment (he's accelerating to freeway speed, right?), while you can trvially match speeed and arrange to either let him in front, or behind you. More importantly, you can easily see him, while you are in his blind spot.

If you and a car entering on the on ramp are both right next to eachother, it's because you didn't bother to avoid it. Simply adjusting your speed intelligently can completely avoid the problem and costs you *nothing*, doubly so if you're planning on getting off at the next offramp anyway. Sure, you *can* insist that he crane his neck back, locate you, calculate relative speed, and make an adjustment, but it's a hell of a lot easier for you to do so, and if you're like me, you assume that eventually, you'll run into someone who *won't* do that, and you'll end up in a crash. Again. Why not just avoid the possiblity of a problem ahead of time and make space for the driver?


Don't get me wrong, I'm a habitual speeder. But don't underestimate the power of simply slowing down every once in awahile. Even in heavy traffic. Heck. *especially* in heavy traffic. You can't make a space by speeding up all the time, but you can *always* make space by slowing down. There's no reason you and another car should ever be fighitng for a single slot in a lane in a situation like that. It always amazes me how many people insist on riding the bumper of the car in front of them in heavy traffic, as though if they let someone in, they'll lose something. What they actually do is slow themselves down. When you leave gaps between you and the car in front of you, you give the cars to the sides of you space to change lanes. That means the can change lanes without having to slow down. In many cases (like merging traffic), you will actually go faster by slowing down then riding the bumper of the car in front of you and trying to go "fast".
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#24 Feb 21 2006 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
I commute an hour and half each way from my home to downtown Dallas. Talk about writing a book.

Today was a good day for me to see this thread. It was misty out today so needless to say my 1 1/2 commute turned into a 2 hour commute. No one was going over 40 mph. ARRRGGGG. I'll admit I'm usually a lead foot and like the OP said, I try to find a blank space of road so I don't have to deal with idiots. Said idiots usually like to drive in the fast lane at 45 mph on a day when road conditions are normal the speed limit is 65 and instead of moving over to right so the rest of us can go about our business they continue driving in the left lane.

I always get a kick out of people who are driving and putting on their makeup! Believe it or not, when I first moved here I was appalled to see someone acutally reading a book while driving! Not looking at a map mind you, but reading an actual novel. WTF??!!!

I use to take the train into the city, but for one reason or another I stopped. Mostly because I like my sleep and have to get even earlier than I already do to take the train. I keep saying I'm going back to that, but I still haven't.

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#25 Feb 21 2006 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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My personal pet peeve are folks that don't merge until the last possible second, and then cause even more of a backup because they're on the shoulder. Smiley: mad
#26 Feb 21 2006 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
The problem, gbaji, was that she was already going the same speed, if not faster than us. She waited until there were no lines left and the lanes were merged to decide that she needed to get over. It's not like on ramp ends abrubtly... she had plenty of time to get behind or in front of us, and she didn't.
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