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#27 Aug 17 2005 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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#28 Aug 17 2005 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sorry, but if there's no signs of struggle, you weren't raped. You just made a bad choice. Deal with it...


What about cases of date rape drugs? Or, in cases when the victim was intimidated? Such as mental deficiency, or even in response to threats like I'm going to kill your family if you don't do this and smile?
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#29 Aug 17 2005 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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'm sorry, but if there's no signs of struggle, you weren't raped. You just made a bad choice. Deal with it...


Oh for Christ's sake, Gbaji...f[/b]u[b]ck that idea and f[/b]u[b]ck you if that is what you honestly think.

If a man holds a knife on a woman and tells her that if she doesn't have *** with him, he will slit her throat, that is rape. If he threatens to kill her children if she doesn't have *** with him, it's rape. If he drugs her and has *** with her semi- or unconscious person, it's rape. If he, in any way, somehow manages to force her to have *** with or without leaving bruises, it's rape. There are a thousand ways rape can occur without leaving signs of physical assault. It doesn't matter if there are signs of a struggle or not, it is still violent coercion.

No matter how intellectual you try to be, Gbaji, you have just definitively proven you are nothing more than a well-spoken troglodyte.

edit: finally figured out how to break the swear filter!

Edited, Thu Aug 18 03:00:23 2005 by Ambrya
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#30 Aug 17 2005 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
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#32 Aug 17 2005 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji, do you realize that most women will be (or have been) raped at some point in their life? I'm sure a few of the females on this board can attest to that. There are not always physical marks left.

Trust me.
#33 Aug 17 2005 at 8:56 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji, do you realize that most women will be (or have been) raped at some point in their life? I'm sure a few of the females on this board can attest to that. There are not always physical marks left.

Trust me.


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#34 Aug 17 2005 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji wrote:
What "date rape" is, is when a woman has *** with someone but says she didn't really want to.
Just because you don't like the term "date rape" doesn't mean you get to make up a "Gbaji Definition".

And Nadenu is right. Physical assaults do not always leave marks.
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#35 Aug 17 2005 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
gbaji, do you realize that most women will be (or have been) raped at some point in their life? I'm sure a few of the females on this board can attest to that. There are not always physical marks left.

Trust me.


I'm far more aware of that then you probably think. But I don't agree with your second assertion. While I'm sure it's possible to be raped with no physical evidence, that's going to be extremely rare compared to the number of times women *can* claim rape in a date rape situation (and, as this article shows, do), with no evidence to support their claim, but due to law changes they can destroy a man's life anyway.


I'm sorry. This is one issue I feel very strongly about. If you are raped, you are raped. There's no question about it. There's no "Gee. I kinda didn't want to, but he made me" about it. There will be physical signs of rape. Always. I simply don't buy the whole "psychological pressure" idea. By that rule, I can charge soemone with assault because they talked me into buying crappy insurance or something.

You are in charge of your own body. Always. You can *always* choose to leave if you want. You can always physically resist something. Always. If you actually physicaly cannot resist *then* a crime has been commited. Until that point, you haven't been "force" to do something. To me, that's kind of obvious. I also think it's incredibly demeaning to imply that women can't make up their own minds and take responsiblity for their choices. And that's far more often what date rape ends out being. An easy out for women who don't want to take that responsibility.
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#36 Aug 17 2005 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Yanari the Puissant wrote:
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What "date rape" is, is when a woman has *** with someone but says she didn't really want to.
Just because you don't like the term "date rape" doesn't mean you get to make up a "Gbaji Definition".

And Nadenu is right. Physical assaults do not always leave marks.


Huh? "Physical assaults" *always* leave marks. Otherwise they aren't really physical assaults. Or not terribly serious ones anyway. You can get a bruise banging your arm on a desk corner. Exactly how physical was the assault if there's not a single bruise or scratch on your entire body? Does that really qualify anymore?

Sorry. Don't buy it. It smacks of redefining things to suit a convenient political agenda while tossing out all logic and reason.
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Politics, logic, and reason don't belong in the same sentece. Just to big of an oxymoron.
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Gbaji wrote:
What "date rape" is, is when a woman has *** with someone but says she didn't really want to.
Says who? Here's a fun task: Type "what is date rape" into Google and let us know what comes up.

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Look at the documented cases of date rape out there. They are *not* what many people think.
Fine, get to work citing some hard numbers. If you're going to make asinine arguments, you'd better have something to back them up with beside Gbaji-guesses.

Edited, Wed Aug 17 23:18:48 2005 by Jophiel
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#39 Aug 17 2005 at 10:36 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji, you have now made it perfectly clear that, on top of being a misogynist ignoramus, you know absolutely nothing about physiology, forensics, or the psychopathology of rapists. Rape isn't about violence, it's about power, it's about control. It's about taking someone's power away and subjugating them to your will, and the idea that such a thing cannot be accomplished without leaving signs of physical trauma is absurd.

Aside from the various coercive methodology that can be used to accomplish such an end without leaving marks, there's also the fact that even if violence were involved, some women just don't bruise easily. I should know, I am one of them. I don't have a lot of surface capillaries. As I have mentioned before, my husband and I dabble in consentual S&M. I have taken an intense flogging with a braided elk-skin cat-o-nine-tails and come away with nary a mark.

And that doesn't even address the idea of psychological coercion or the threat of violence.

Example: a man walks into the home a woman shares with her children in the early evening, when the kitchen door is still unlocked, which means there's no sign of B&E. He finds the woman finishing up the dishes at the sink and herds her into the bedroom, and tells her if she doesn't get undressed and perform ******** on him, he'll go shoot her children who are still watching TV in the living room unaware of what is going on. You think that she will put up a struggle with her children's safety at stake? **** no. Afterward, he orders her to spread her legs, and because the physiological effects of fear are often the very same as those of arousal, her body provides vaginal lubrication, which means that there are no signs of vaginal trauma. He might be completely tender and behave as though he's making love to her. If he hits the right physical buttons, she might even have an ******.

That doesn't mean she hasn't UNQUESTIONABLY been raped. And if she knew the guy (for instance, he's a coworker she invited over for dinner, instead of just someone who walked in) it qualifies as "date rape."

Another example, since you are so hung up on date rape. A guy takes a woman out to dinner. They're having a good time. They go parking in the middle of nowhere, and make out a little. He pressures her for more, she doesn't want to give it and tells him she would like to go home. He says if she doesn't put out, she has to walk home. It's the middle of the night and she's out in the middle of nowhere. Walking home would be extremely dangerous. She might injure herself walking in the dark, she might get hit by a car not watching for pedestrians on a deserted road, she might get lost, depending on the weather, exposure might be a very real danger, or she might just encounter someone who is more interested in killing her than raping her. How is she supposed to be able to "get up and leave the room"? So yes, she might "choose" to submit, because what choice does she actually have? That doesn't mean that coercion wasn't used. It was still rape.

So I say again, with utmost sincerity, Gbaji, f[/b]u[b]ck you. Your pretensions at intellectualism have been laid bare for the world to see. Now go back to your cave and work on making fire.


Edited, Thu Aug 18 08:02:13 2005 by Ambrya
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#40 Aug 17 2005 at 10:48 PM Rating: Default
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Is anyone actually surprised that a guy like Gbaji takes the position "Date rape doesnt count"?
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#41 Aug 17 2005 at 10:51 PM Rating: Default
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Rape isn't about violence, it's about power, it's about control. It's about taking someone's power away and subjugating them to your will, and the idea that such a thing cannot be accomplished without leaving signs of physical trauma is absurd.


How would you know? Are you a rapist?
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#42 Aug 17 2005 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Is anyone actually surprised that a guy like Gbaji takes the position "Date rape doesnt count"?


Actually, a little...I've never liked or agreed with Gbaji, but I never actually thought he was an idiot.
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#43 Aug 17 2005 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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How would you know? Are you a rapist?


I've done my research, a[/b]s[b]shole. As a woman whose career deals with women's health issues, this is a pretty relevent topic.



Edited, Thu Aug 18 02:55:51 2005 by Ambrya
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#44 Aug 17 2005 at 10:54 PM Rating: Default
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How would you know? Are you a rapist?


I've done my research, asshole. As a woman whose career deals with women's health issues, this is a pretty relevent topic.



Edited, Wed Aug 17 23:51:18 2005 by Ambrya


What research, *****? Have you talked to a rapist?
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#45 Aug 17 2005 at 10:55 PM Rating: Default
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Everything Gbaji say is just a well cited, over typed ignorance.

Doesnt matter if he is talking politics, religion, cheques or date rape. He figures if he has a enough words and cites that its somehow right.

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#46 Aug 17 2005 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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What research, *****? Have you talked to a rapist?


Let's see...innumerable psychology texts, abnormal psychology classes, video and transcripts of interviews with rapists, personal interviews with rape victims...the list goes on.

Now do you actually have anything relevent to contribute to this dialogue, or shall I just assume you're an attention-grubbing *****/troll and ignore you from here on out?



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#47 Aug 17 2005 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
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How would you know? Are you a rapist?


I've done my research, asshole. As a woman whose career deals with women's health issues, this is a pretty relevent topic.



Edited, Wed Aug 17 23:51:18 2005 by Ambrya


What research, *****? Have you talked to a rapist?


She talked to you didn't she?
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What research, *****? Have you talked to a rapist?


Let's see...innumerable psychology texts, abnormal psychology classes, video and transcripts of interviews with rapists, personal interviews with rape victims...the list goes on.


You didnt talk to any rapists though, did you?

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Now do you actually have anything relevent to contribute to this dialogue, or shall I just assume you're an attention-grubbing *****/troll and ignore you from here on out?


If you havent figured that out yyet, you shouldnt be podting in the asylum

I hope you get raped
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#49 Aug 17 2005 at 11:03 PM Rating: Good
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Interview me bi[b][/b]tch, I have raped 100's of little boys.



Fixed.
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ElderonXI the Wise wrote:
proofeleven wrote:
Interview me bi[b][/b]tch, I have raped 100's of little boys.



Fixed.


You only count as one
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#51 Aug 17 2005 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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ElderonXI the Wise wrote:
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Interview me bi[b][/b]tch, I have raped 100's of little boys.



Fixed.


You only count as one


Weak sauce. Come on you can do better than that. Oh wait... maybe you can't.
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