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#1 Jun 11 2004 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
Dirty Words

I think this teacher needs to receive an award not get fired. The child already received supsension, yet continues to use foul language.
#2 Jun 11 2004 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
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She should be arrested.
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#3 Jun 11 2004 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
Sometimes discipline is necessary when sending the child to time out doesn't work.
#4 Jun 11 2004 at 8:49 AM Rating: Default
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That's fine, raise your kids however you want. If I want to let my kids say "donkey raping **** eating pig ******" I will. If that violates a school rule, punish them accordning to the school rule. Putting a toxic substance in my childs mouth is just going to make want to put the barrel of a pistol in your mouth so you can empathize.
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#5 Jun 11 2004 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
Since when was soap a toxic ******* substance? - What plane of reality do you actually exist on?

#6 Jun 11 2004 at 8:57 AM Rating: Default
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It's not a toxic substance? It's ok to ingest soap? No harm done?

What planet do YOU live on. Since when is soap NOT toxic?
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#7 Jun 11 2004 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
Ya know, I think the teacher should have called the kids parents. Right then and there. I *KNOW* what my parents would have told a teacher if I'd done something like that.

'Beat him til we get there. We'll handle it after that.'

Now, if the parents don't care or don't corect the behavior, then further steps are needed. While I don't agree with the specific choice made by this teacher, the report does seem to indicate that the problem wasn't being handled by the parents.

Time out, my ***. Though there were many time my *** wanted a time out from a good whipping, the fact is, if you don't train your children, they will be untrained. If you teach your kids, and not just beat them if they stray outside the lines of what you consider proper, and use discipline only as necessary, it's usually over and done with before a child hits puberty. From that point on, you offer advice, reasons, rules, and guidance. If more parenthoods were planned with the idea of raising a child instead of just having one, we wouldn't have these sorts of problems.
#8 Jun 11 2004 at 9:01 AM Rating: Default
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Hitting children teaches them to use violence to solve every problem.

Not wise.
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#9 Jun 11 2004 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
Oh, Smash. Just to set the record straight, it'd take a lot of hand soap to be toxic. If you drink an ounce or so, it will give you a very thorough case of the runny-poos, though. If you drink a bit more than that, you may have to be hospitalized for dehydration.

The story stated that the teacher used 1 drop. This wasn't child abuse. It also probably wasn't the best choice available to the teacher, either. I don't condone what she did. I just know it wasn't dangerous at all unless the kid was allergic to a specific ingredient in the soap (not likely since it was from the nurse and probably hypoallergenic).
#10 Jun 11 2004 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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Hitting children teaches them to use violence to solve every problem.


What a crock of *********
#11 Jun 11 2004 at 9:06 AM Rating: Default
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What a crock of Bullsh*t


You're right, hitting children teaches that violence ins't the answer, and fuc[b][/b]king them teaches them not to have sex.
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#12 Jun 11 2004 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Violence is never, EVER, the correct answer. If you think that it is, well..... guess you're a typical American.
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#13 Jun 11 2004 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're right, hitting children teaches that violence ins't the answer, and ******* them teaches them not to have sex.


If you only use hitting as the "discipline" then it is not teaching them anything other than it hurts when you get hit. If the hitting is used in conjuction with a explanation why their where painful consequences for their actions then it is discipline.

How do you equate discipline and pediophilia as the same thing? What are you a ******* moron? Your feeble attempt at baiting isn't going to wash. Let's stay on topic and discuss the issue at hand.

Was using soap to literally wash out the childs mouth after figuratively spewing **** from it appropriate? Some of us believe that the action though not pleasant, nor probably the wisest move by the teacher was needed because a one week suspension, obviously did not work.

You are an advocate for liberalism, what would be the appropriate way to resolve the issue?
#14 Jun 11 2004 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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While I don't think what she did was dangerous, I'd be mad as hell if it were my child. When I send a child to school, it will be under the expectation that the staff will be following their own rules. Discipline of that nature is up to myself and my husband and I would be as angry with that type of discipline as I would be with her spanking my child. Whether or not it is something I would do at home (which it isn't) is not even the issue. It was not her place. If the rules call for a suspension, suspend him and let further punishment come from the parents. I can sympathize with her, I really can, but it was incredibly inappropriate and I would expect better judgement from a teacher.

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#15 Jun 11 2004 at 9:27 AM Rating: Default
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you only use hitting as the "discipline" then it is not teaching them anything other than it hurts when you get hit. If the hitting is used in conjuction with a explanation why their where painful consequences for their actions then it is discipline.


Also you teach them that hitting people is a way to get them to do what you want. Which, of course, it is. If you as a parent aren't able to think of negative consequences other than physically striking a defensless child then you fail as a parent.


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How do you equate discipline and pediophilia as the same thing? What are you a @#%^ing moron? Your feeble attempt at baiting isn't going to wash. Let's stay on topic and discuss the issue at hand.


Child abuse is child abuse.

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Was using soap to literally wash out the childs mouth after figuratively spewing sh*t from it appropriate? Some of us believe that the action though not pleasant, nor probably the wisest move by the teacher was needed because a one week suspension, obviously did not work.


It obviously did not work? Ok. How does that help your argument?


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You are an advocate for liberalism, what would be the appropriate way to resolve the issue?


One, personally I wouldn't find it an issue. The whole idea that certain words are "bad" because they connotate bodily functions is beyond ludicrous. If I thought it was an issue I'd ask the child to stop, if they didn't stop I'd punish them in a way other than hitting them or putting soap in their mouth.

It's not like I invented this idea and no alternatives exist to beating your children.
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#16 Jun 11 2004 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Hitting children teaches them to use violence to solve every problem.

Not wise.


If they're going to remain children forever (mentally retarded) or if you use that method beyond a certain maturity level, agreed.

However, there's nothing wrong with using corporal punishment properly.

In my previous words, I stated what my parents would have done. Personally, I am sure they could have raised me better if there were fewer episodes where I got whipped. I vividly recall several incidents where it was simply the wrong method to use. But that's hindsight.

I have seen abusive parents who actually beat children. It's not pretty, and it's not right. There is a very real difference between a beating and properly used corporal punishment. In many cases, these parents are lashing out and using the child as a target to vent their own anger. It tends to run in families, too.

Corporal punishment is not a solution to the world's woes. But it has its place in raising a child. There are exceptional parents who raise their children so well that a child may never need a whipping. There are exceptional children who always try so hard to do the things that their parents consider acceptable that they never get whippings. These are, by definition, exceptional.

If a child reaches for a hot iron, do you just say, 'No' and wait for him to touch it anyway? Or do you pop his hand and say 'No'?

#17 Jun 11 2004 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
Oh, and just thought I'd add: Boy, this is a hot topic!
#18 Jun 11 2004 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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If a child reaches for a hot iron, do you just say, 'No' and wait for him to touch it anyway? Or do you pop his hand and say 'No'?


Striking a child to LITERALLY stop them from further harm is far different from striking them as a form of punishment. That's like saying that if you push a child out of the way of a car that you are trying to punish them for walking into the street. Pick a better example.

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#19 Jun 11 2004 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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One, personally I wouldn't find it an issue. The whole idea that certain words are "bad" because they connotate bodily functions is beyond ludicrous. If I thought it was an issue I'd ask the child to stop, if they didn't stop I'd punish them in a way other than hitting them or putting soap in their mouth.


Oh geez Smash, you are being very hypocritical at this point.

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The whole idea that certain words are "bad" because they connotate bodily functions is beyond ludicrous.


Then why are you the one that gets so defensive and upset when people make racist jokes or spout religion etc... after all they are just words.

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If I thought it was an issue I'd ask the child to stop, if they didn't stop I'd punish them in a way other than hitting them or putting soap in their mouth.
You haven't replied with an appropriate punishment Smash, your side stepping the question.

#20 Jun 11 2004 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Striking a child to LITERALLY stop them from further harm is far different from striking them as a form of punishment. That's like saying that if you push a child out of the way of a car that you are trying to punish them for walking into the street. Pick a better example.


Actually Nexa his example is very good, where as yours is outlandish.

But lets be a little more simplistic in examples, what if the child was reaching for a $1000.00 crystal figurine in a store and you have already told them not touch anything several times.
#21 Jun 11 2004 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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If a child reaches for a hot iron, do you just say, 'No' and wait for him to touch it anyway? Or do you pop his hand and say 'No'?




Striking a child to LITERALLY stop them from further harm is far different from striking them as a form of punishment. That's like saying that if you push a child out of the way of a car that you are trying to punish them for walking into the street. Pick a better example.


For example: When a child spouts off profanity to one of his classmates, you punish him for doing so. He recognises that he did something wrong and behaves well for the rest of the day. In this case, it prevents him from spouting off profanity to the Columbine wannabe on his schoolbus, who does not wind up shooting him in the face.
#22 Jun 11 2004 at 9:42 AM Rating: Default
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If they're going to remain children forever (mentally retarded) or if you use that method beyond a certain maturity level, agreed.

However, there's nothing wrong with using corporal punishment properly.


There is no way to "properly" beat your child.



In my previous words, I stated what my parents would have done. Personally, I am sure they could have raised me better if there were fewer episodes where I got whipped. I vividly recall several incidents where it was simply the wrong method to use. But that's hindsight.


Look, I understnad why adults hit kids. They get frustrated with them, they feel like other methods just aren't learning, they can't communicate the severity of what the child has done, whatever. It's still a faliure on the part of the parents. My parents hit me on more than one occasion and it didn't scar me for life. I don't hate them. I don't think they were bad parents. I think they failed in administering punishment and taught me that violence was a good way to deal with problems.

Growing up where I did you'd have to have been Ghandi not to have been in thirty fist fights by the time you were twelve. I don't think parents are going to beat their kids to death, I just think it sends the wrong message and is a failure.



I have seen abusive parents who actually beat children. It's not pretty, and it's not right. There is a very real difference between a beating and properly used corporal punishment. In many cases, these parents are lashing out and using the child as a target to vent their own anger. It tends to run in families, too.


Right. It runs in fammilies where the parents were hit by their own parents. Maybe their parents were doing it "properly" too. Perhaps they can't moderate it as well as their parents did, and beat their own children. They feel justified in doing it and likely think they are doing it "properly" as well. Had they never been hit it's much less likely that they'd be beating their own children.


Corporal punishment is not a solution to the world's woes. But it has its place in raising a child. There are exceptional parents who raise their children so well that a child may never need a whipping. There are exceptional children who always try so hard to do the things that their parents consider acceptable that they never get whippings. These are, by definition, exceptional.


Children never, ever, need to be hit. Let me amend that. If the child burns your neigbors house down, killing all inside and runs about your house dragging the charred remains, hit them. Othere than that, though, there's simply no need.


If a child reaches for a hot iron, do you just say, 'No' and wait for him to touch it anyway? Or do you pop his hand and say 'No'?


I grab him and prevent him from touching it. If he keeps trying, I keep grabbing him. If you can hit him, you can reach out and pick him up.
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#23 Jun 11 2004 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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racist jokes or spout religion etc... after all they are just words


SO is the intonnation behind Racism and Religion have the same depth to you as bodily functions>??


I could equate this whole dicussion to our handling of terrorism...

If we don't Beat them, how will they learn?.. If we beat them, What will they learn?

If we don't Kill them, how will they learn?.. If we Kill them, What will they learn?

Edited, Fri Jun 11 10:47:09 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#24 Jun 11 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Default
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Then why are you the one that gets so defensive and upset when people make racist jokes or spout religion etc... after all they are just words

I don't. The words don't bother me. The ideas might bother me, but have I ever told someone not to say something?

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ou haven't replied with an appropriate punishment Smash, your side stepping the question.


I'm not side stepping it, I just find it hard to believe that the people discussing this on this topic aren't aware of alternative punishments to hitting a child. If that's really the case, if your litterally that narrow minded in your thinking that the only option you can see is hitting a child let me kow and I'll suggest some alternatives.
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#25 Jun 11 2004 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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SO is the intonnation behind Racism and Religion have the same depth to you as bodily functions>??


Based on the context of the conversation that is taking place, yes. Why? Because someone is spouting hurtful and demeaning words to another person to belittle them and make them feel inferior and to make the speaker feel superior. Why else are these words spoken? It's belittling to the victim, but of course now the purpertator(sp) has become the innocent in this scenario. By the way the topic was soap not hitting, but the cause of the soaping was because of the childs misbehaving and the previous punishments not being effective.

So the question stands... If washing the childs mouth out with soap was inappropriate, what is the better solution?
#26 Jun 11 2004 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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...if your litterally that narrow minded in your thinking that the only option you can see is hitting a child let me kow and I'll suggest some alternatives.


No I am not that narrow minded, I am wondering what your opinion is, considering your educational back ground.

Just remember though violence does not always beget violence.
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