Prisoner Abuse...Follow

Doesn't everyone?

*shrug* Again, the majority of the detainees were released, i.e. they were not guilty of anything. They were not murderers or terrorists. They weren't firing upon our soldiers. They weren't dragging civilians through the streets or off bridges. They were just Iraqi civilians caught up in the mess.

Now, if you can take those facts and say "Well, who cares if we tortured people who are the innocent civilians we were supposed to be liberating" or otherwise justifying why it's not a big deal, then I really have to assume you're either borderline retarded or else just a sockpuppet/troll. I'm doing you the favor of assuming you're the latter.

Prcival I must tell you that what happened in Abu Gahrib was a terrible thing. We are over there trying to establish a Democratic government modeled after ours. We preach to the world that we are a law abiding country/ have the most personal freedoms/ treat our citizens the best. This incident (whether it was isolated or wide spread) will be used as evidence by those that oppose us to say look they are brutal barbarians, they dont care about the arab people. The fact that it is an election year has nothing to do with it.

GWB made the right decision going to war. The mistake he and the pentagon made was stopping a little to early. We backed them all in a corner then let them walk away. That was the mistake.

On another note. There are a large number of people on this forum who are leftwing liberals. If you dont agree with them they are going to call you a moron, an idiot... etc. If you dont agree with them you must be stupid. Just be prepared. When you post things like you did here you are really going to catch it. Fore warned is fore armed.

Just a couple, really. Or a couple who bother to actually post in these threads. Smash being the worst, Yanari posts sometimes as does Yossarian. Gitslayer. I post until I get bored with it. There's really only so many times you can listen to people say "We were torturing murderers and terrorists! They deserved it!" until it gets old and annoying instead of provocative.

Edited, Mon May 17 16:11:57 2004 by Jophiel

prove that any of these were related to Saddamn Hussein, cant thought not, please drive on thru, k thx la.

Oh wait thats right we are there for humanitarian aims like helping out the poor Iraqis who were abused by their evil dictator. Makes sense really to toture should be part of our humanitarian aims. Makes even more sense when the same people who are so upset over the plight of the poor Iraqi could give two ***** about the poor in America.

Edited, Mon May 17 16:30:21 2004 by flishtaco

That Bush wishes he could get back to being outraged at pictures of coffins coming home.

I dont agree with the statement that Liberals are all pansies not willing to do the fighting. A buddy of mine, Jacob, is a liberal. After the 911 incident he joined the Army as a Cavalry Scout. He had no fear of fighting for his country, and possibly dying for it. I will not generalize by making a broad statement about conservatives or liberals. The world needs both. Every person has their own opinion.

"Red Diaper Doper"?

My clear and concise answer is that when you invade a nation under the pretext of liberation and moral goodness (or so says Bush) and, in the course of that war, torture and abuse innocent civilians and, when there are signs that this was not isolated abuse but a systematic attempt by Armed Forces officals to break the spirit of these prisoners in potential violation of the Geneva Conventions, then there is no such thing as "out of proportion".

Sock Puppet - the new "f*cktard".

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Oblivious

You don't have to go to Iraq to find prisoners being abused into giving confessions. Happens all the time in the US. I'm sure many of you recall the huge scandle with DNA evidence we had a while back, and continue to have, in which the guilty are proved innocent via DNA evidence? That which caused the Republican, pro-death penalty governer of Illinois to suspend the death penalty? Many of those prisoners said, at that time and now, that they were physically coerced into confession or ratting on others.

The sanctioned techniques used in Iraq which have been revoked, such as sleep deprivation, have been used in Guantanamo Bay for years on the prisoners there. Although three deaths have occured in Iraq from soldiers mistreating prisoners, probably far more have occured in Cuba - it has been years remember, and there was no list of the people who were brought in.

There are prisoners so high up that the administration won't even take them to Guatanamo Bay for questioning. Assumedly because they want to go farther. Further, Bush has said the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are to be treated under the Geneva conventions. I'm not sure how one can humanely and respectifully deprive people of sleep in an attempt to gain information from them. These techniques which have been banned in Iraq are still fair game in Cuba.

Sleep well, fellow Americans.

That was probably the one worthwhile thing George Ryan did. Of course, his indictment for taking bribes in exchange for allowing unskilled drivers to get CDLs sort of overshadowed it.