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Gentlemen and Ladies

Let me begin by saying that this is my first time posting on the OOT threads, yet I feel like I have to make a say on this subject. The situation in Iraq is out of control. As a soldier who is in the U.S. Army, who has been in Iraq, and has returned, I have to say your limited scope to the situation is obviously been blinded by the limits of the media. The situation over there is FAR WORSE than you think. The atrocities that are happening over there which are shown in the pictures from the prison are just the tip of the iceberg. These things in smaller doses are happening all over the place. Does this occur because Americans are bad people? no. This is happening because the controls are not there. Not the controls of fear, but the fact is, the soldiers have been lied to since day 1. 2nd Brigade was told during the War, take the Hussein Airport, and we will fly you home from there. THEY LIED(who is they, but Donald Rumsfeld and his whole chain down) to the soldiers to get them to do what they want. They told them there was WMDs, they lied. Why, its simple. Bush has been looking for a reason to get back Iraq(as evidenced by 2 separate books by people who used to be in his Administration) and to take out Saddam Hussein. He USED America, the United States Military, and the 9-11 catastrophe to get at Saddam Hussein. You want to take out a Dictator, you want to make a show of power as someone in this thread said, then you go after guys like Castro, or how about Kim Jung Il, from North Korea. That GUY HAS NUCLEAR BOMBS, and what has GWB done? NOTHING! He placates to him. Why, because the loss of South Korean lives in the first few hours would be millions, and that is without launching 1 nuclear device. If you don't believe me, look at a map of Korea, see where Seoul is, and know that within 50 km is the border of North and South with about 80,000 mortar and artillery pieces aimed straight at Seoul and Osan(where we have our Airfore Base). the most conservative estimates are 10-12 million lost in the first day. That is not counting loss of American and Foreign personnel. The North Koreans have a million man army(same size as all the U.S. Army Active/reserve/National Guard soldiers combined) and half of that sits on the Korean Border. Our response, 14,000 troops of our own, along with roughly 3 times that number of South Korean troops. You see, we picked Saddam because we had already stripped him 12 years ago of any real weaponry, and he was really like the Emperor and his clothes. If you really looked, you could see he wasn't the evil regimest(sp) from 18 years ago, but simply someone who was attempting to keep his power, while taking care of his people. Of course there are stories of abuse. Damn man, have you looked in our daily paper, and seen what our Big Business has done to us fellow Americans lately? CEOs and CFOs stealing 10s of millions of dollars, and for alot of them, getting away with it. Who pays for that, the stock holders who in good faith trusted for the company to see to their interests. Corruption is everywhere. Bush has shown he is not above that by taking contracts and instead of going thru DoD standardized methods to awarding such contracts, GAVE THEM TO HIS FRIENDS. don't talk to me about what abuses Hussein was doing to his people. You clean up your own yard first. People accuse Hussein of harboring terrorists in his borders. Have you guys never heard of the Montana Militia Men, or the other thousands of groups within our borders, full of righteous americans who are simply terrorists(freedom fighters in their own mind). Which allows me to close this with a joke. Firefighters fight fire, and Crimefighters fight Crime, so what do Freedomfighters fight?

I read it. the fact that you won't read something because of simplicities such as that makes me wonder how you can honestly contribute anything to threads that talk about books that are far more run-on and complex and require more brainpower than it took to read his post...which took all of a minute or so to read.

Jokero, your views are not too far off from the rants that come out of a lot of mouths here. The difference is yours have substance as you've experienced it first-hand. I personally thank you for your comment and your contributions both overseas and here.

I don't get to watch the news or read the headlines as much as I'd like to, and getting an opinion of someone who has stood in the mix is definately a change from the "I know it all" that usually embodies a lot of posts here from people who rarely can reach beyond their own keyboard.

Empyre you should read the Dale Carnegie book on "How to Win Friends and Influence People" it has some things in there that would assist you in gaining some respect, just by using some common sense.

You have NO idea what the experiences are of anyone on this board, and have no proof that a person who only has 13 posts is even what he/she says it is "Sock Puppet", comes to my mind.



Prove that statement from the long as run-on sentence the newb posted and how the hell do you know if this poster if he/she was in Iraq wasn't some supply clerk sitting in a palace over there getting drunk every night.

At least I can admit that instead of trying to assure the population of the board otherwise by mastering a search engine and spamming political ideas until something triggers a decent conversation.



applying that same principal, how do we know you have half a clue about what your saying or are anything you ever claim? I'd like to think that most people are honest to boot. He admitted it was his first post here. He has posted in other places a few times, and his post was detailed enough to indicate he was probably not lying, but not providing too much detail that would make me believe he was trying to prove something.

Plus some of the stuff he says makes sense...it makes it easy to read. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until someone proves otherwise. I could have sworn that there was a discussion going on here...guess it would only be right people like you jump in to hack and slash at those discussing instead of adding anything productive.

Yeah at least you don't do that. You post on them instead, waiting for me to post something that triggers a decent conversation. Ahhaha! Sucker!

[quote]If you are going to make a sock puppet at least disquise it better as well as your self *********************

my only regret is that I assumed you had a point and actually read up to this part of your post. where is my sock puppet? I guess I did hide it well, because I don't even know where or what it is. I always have posted under "Empyre". And since i'm posting under that name now, i guess that would mean that..well...your wrong.

and self ************* is their any other way to **********? nice one..real display of intellect.

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/402079|top|05-07-2004::15:06|reuters.html

BAM!

Thanks Smash I appreciate you proving that.

Don't thank me, thank crazy Rummy.

Well, if they watch Fox News they'll know that there are far more important things going like some low level diplomats taking bribes in the UN Oil for FOOd Program a few years ago.

Christ are they ever beating the fu[b][/b]ck out of that dead horse. "THE UN TOOK BIRBES IN IRAQ!!!!!" Also some evil Iraqis accused us of torturin gthem, but nothing's been proven yete!!

Nah, ************ is self only. If his mom does it for him, that's fondling.

Remember you are in the Asylum - anything goes, I even noticed Gbaji and Smasharoo agreed with each other so why not war and *************

you said it not me. and remember, you brought it up not me.



no? here's your quote:



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on insinuating the idea they aren't who they say, the other they weren't doing what they claimed over there. you said it, not me.



ah...I see. so you only believe the people you personally know have been over there. how many people on this board you personally know? and you've never agreed with anyone here despite not knowing them personally...your credibility is shotty at best in this respect. you and smash roommates?



leading me to wonder yet again if you and smash share a room..or brain. your blind accusations and meager attempts at making me look like something from your own head are hilarious and pathetic. not to mention they've been done a hundred times already. but yet again, I challenge the admin to identify Jokero as a sock puppet of mine. I'm sure Kao has much better things to do, but if he were inclined (or anyone else with reasonable IT abilities) can find out that it is not a sock puppet of mine.

If you spent less time contradicting yourself and more time making sense, I might have actually taken some of this seriously. Your backtracking and blind accusations just paint a picture of someone trying to fit in. Try being more original as well..