Are you ******* kidding me?Follow

People in glast houses...


Wouldn't you rather be a genius with perfect analytical skills who is a master of reasoning, like Stephen Hawking?

Or me?

Why would you be insincere just because you decided to take a stand based on self preservation???

If I were to decide I'd better believe in God because it's the best chance I've got for a long and happy afterlife, you can bet I'm going to be as sincere as the next christian.

Yeah, and he was pointing out that in an infinate spectrum of religions, where at least some will allow you to go to heaven if you just DON'T believe in one of the others you're odds are better being an atheist.

That's all.

He wasn't confused, you were.

God IS an alien....

Think about it for a bit

ROFL I don't mind being thrown in the same boat as you Yanari, but it's kind of scary actually agreeing with smash about something for once.

And dammit smash! Don't get me started. I was speaking about a hypothetical situation, it had nothing do do with the thousands of different religions out there. It was WHAT IF the christians are right. How much more #%$# hypothetical can you get than THAT?

If you want to look at it from a realistic point of view, no one knows for sure what's true or what's not when it comes to religion so most of us are probably screwed no matter what. It will probably turn out that you were on the right track with the ducks or something like that in the end.



Edited, Fri Apr 30 16:40:28 2004 by danreynolds

I prefer a towel personally, handiest tool in the universe

WOW!!

I've been posting in FFXI forums and didn't even know the sludge pool existed here :P.

First off Smash you said earlier a few pages up that he sailed for 40days. If your gonna argue something get it right, it rained for 40days and nights, and after that they were afloat sending birds out to bring back signs of land :)

Secondly for a man that doens't believe God exists, I find it funny that you have "I am God" in your Sig. So by your own belief YOU DONT EXIST :P

Thirdly lighten up, no one is cramming down your throats their beliefs as hard as you cramming yours down with less fact than they are bringing up. Jesus DID exist. There are scrolls, and other FACTUAL PIECES OF EVIDENCE that say He lived, and Died on the cross as is explained in the bible. Also many other "Prophecies" have "FACTUAL" support to "PROVE" them true. All of them in regards to Jesus.

Now I will give you this, that the major ones have little/no evidence, hence where faith comes into play. Will finding the Ark make my faith any stronger? No, it would just be cool, so would finding the Ark of the covenant, or seeing Christ's tomb, doesn't make me believe any more or any less.

And just because I believe by faith DOES NOT mean that I think I know everything, there are many things that I do not know. Just because I believe by faith doesn't put me in the catagory that most of you have put ALL Christians in.

Oh, and before you go on saying I believe because someone told me to, I believe because I came to this on my OWN. No one has told me that I HAVE to believe, I'm not a cult member. I believe purely because I feel the pull of something else, there is something greater than that of "POOF" here we are, we live, we die. There is more to life than that.

Edited, Fri Apr 30 18:54:42 2004 by Warf

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4&mid=1080635282245143570



I don't know who's been shovelling the ******** into your brain, friend, but you are incorrect. There is ZERO historical evidence of Christ ever even existing.


https://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4&mid=1080635282245143570


Here's a thread where your intelectual superiors argued about it.



No it just makes you a fool who believes things without evidence. I suppose fool's too strong of a term. It makes you gullible and naive. That's a good thing when I want to sleep with someone, it's not so good when they're pondering the meaning of life.




Why aren't you a Muslim? Or a Hindu? Or a Seikh?

I'll tell you why. Because no one told you to believe those mythologies.

Yeah I hate smug people too. That's why I endevor to remain humble.




You can't produce evidence of something NOT hapeneing.

Where's your evidence that I didn't slap your mother in the *** one hot summer night twelve years ago and tell here to grab her ankles and pray for death as we concieved your *** together?

Who's your daddy, *****?

Welcome to the Asylum, by the way.

It's not easy to say "I don't knwo the answer". It's quite hard, really. People in general have a massive amount of Xenophobia and poor tolerance for accepting that some things are unknown.

Sure, they're ok with not knowing something personally, like what the J in J Robert Oppenheimer stands for, but they want to be able to pretend that someone knows the answer to all the big things.

That's comforting.

That's easy.

That's why most people beleive in some random fairy tale creation myth.




Exactly right, Junior. Just as you can't prove I'm not your father. Just as you can't prove that Santa isn't real.

What you need to ask yourself is "Do I still believe in Santa? Do I think that my mom was riding the 'Roo baloney pony? No? Then whu is it I believe the other ****?"

Let me tell you why:

Because someone told you to and you bought it.

SUCKA!

I don't need to PROVE it didn't happen.

If we needed to PROVE things didn't happen we'd be going through life waiting for the giant ****** bird to swoop out of the sky and start ******* us because no one's shown that it won't happen.

Personally I'm not waiting for it. You do what you want, mushbrain, you're the one running on faith.

Well there you have it. If Smash says there is no evidence of a man named Jesus ever existing under those circumstances in that time period than I guess it must be true.......

Just because someone says something here Samsh, that you didnt know of or take time to even look up that doesnt mean that it isnt true. Stop hiding behind the "I can't prove God doesnt exist because you cant prove the the non-existance of something that doesn't exist." Need proof of God? Just take a minute and really thing about how complex the human body is and how it all operates. Something like that could not of just happened by chance through evolution, there had to be a "higher power" (God in this case) to create all that.

A few pages back someone said if there was a God then why isnt he punishing everyone for the horrible things people are doing. Without sounding too apocolyptic all I have to say to that is, just wait. ;)

Before I go, I would just like to thank you Smash. It is people like you that make me believe in God and what is taught in the Bible all the more.

Edited, Fri Apr 30 22:09:36 2004 by usernamealreadyexists

Ok. This statement only strengthens Smash's position.

Think about what you just said. Your argument basically boils down to this: "The world is very complicated, and I don't understand it, so there must be a divine force that did it all".

Didn't Smash say that very thing just a few posts ago? I could have sworn he said that people create myths because they themselves can't understand the world around them and must fill it up with the divine (more or less).

That is not "proof". All you are doing is assuming that anything that you don't understand must be the result of divine operation. This is not new. It's been happening for as long as man has walked the earth. Early man didn't understand where rain came from, or why the sun moved across the sky, or why plants grew up out of the ground. So they created gods who controlled all of those things. As our understanding of those things has progressed, we no longer need a divine explanation for them. We know why the sun travels across the sky, so we no longer need a Sun God. We know what causes rain, so we don't need a Rain God.


Get it? There's nothing special about your faith. You've just placed a generic deity in there instead of one that has a particular role in the universe. That gives God a bit more staying power, since there will always be things that we humans don't understand. However, your faith is still based entirely on the assumption that everything we don't currently know must have a divine hand controlling it. Oddly, you accept that the aformentioned Sun God was false, but don't see that the exact same logical parallel applies to your deity. If we could eventually discover and understand what made the sun move in the sky, then we no longer needed the Sun God, and he was "disproved". Yet, the underlying logic to having him exist in the first place is the same as that you use for your own god's existance. A student of logic would assume that the likelyhood of God actually existing is about the same as that of the Sun God that no one worships anymore.


Think about it...