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#1 Apr 23 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20040423/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_afghan_nfl_player_9

He went to my University and played for my city's football team.
#2 Apr 24 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Good
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Could have sworn that Smash posted a rather harsh response to this.

Something about the draft pick...no?
#3 Apr 25 2004 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
ya I beat Smash in posting it but my board persona is not as great as his so responses have been limited to you=P

Edit--nm he posted first guess its my paronia kickin in, well and being so shocked I felt I needed to start a new thread without seeing what was posted.

Edited, Sun Apr 25 02:55:53 2004 by flishtaco
#4 Apr 25 2004 at 2:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I think this is stupid. Many, many people have died there but he only gets attention because he played football. It sucks that he died, and its cool that he quit his financially perfect life to fight in a war, but he's only getting attention because he was famous. It just like the kid at my school that died in a car crash - most people only cared because he played football.
#5 Apr 25 2004 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
depends on your point of view.
#6 Apr 25 2004 at 2:33 AM Rating: Good
It's not that your persona is less than smashes, this topic has been beaten to death, that's all. I agree with you anyway, by all indications, he was a hero.
#7 Apr 25 2004 at 2:51 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry to clarify I posted this without reading Smash's earlier posting, I realize that the discussion is mostly done on this subject.
#8 Apr 25 2004 at 7:29 AM Rating: Default
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It sucks that he died, and its cool that he quit his financially perfect life to fight in a war,
I think this is the most idiotic attitude i have ever come across in my life.

How could it ever be better to kill people than to entertain them.

I tried to get this across on Smash's post without sucsess.

Yes he died fighting for his country which is noble in itself but what a HUGE waste of a life and how people can consider swopping a sportsmans life, where the opportunities to make a real difference is huge, for one where you are basicly hired to kill a betterment of your life completely beyond me.
#9 Apr 25 2004 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
i see your point tarv, but you could look at it this way, should he entartain the people? or kill to save them? which is better for his country?
#10 Apr 25 2004 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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well, in a war like this its questionable as to whether our troops presence in iraq is saving anyone at all. its quite possible that its making it more dangerous for us in the long run. obviously im not blaming any of our troops for this, but i dont think its unreasonable to say it would be better if he was off playing football.
#11 Apr 25 2004 at 9:18 PM Rating: Good
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I'm in Afghanistan right now using highspeed internet off the
back of a humvee. I work in "intel" and so I have a general
idea of pretty much everything that is going on in country. I
read the report of the battle near Khowst that he died in, and
all I can say is that it happens everyday and people are always
getting shot and killed. I don't like the fact that they act
like his life is any more important then anyone elses. I have
to hear about the death toll from battles everyday and yet
this guy makes the news? Anyone that dies protected freedom
should get the same respect as the person next to you, no
matter who their dad is, what they did in college or anything
else. I promise that the people he fought next to could care
less how good he was at football, all they cared about is that
he would watch their backs. I dunno, just makes me upset when
they do this, by putting people on a pedistool it seems like
many get overshadowed by it.


Edited, Sun Apr 25 22:18:13 2004 by Tape
#12 Apr 25 2004 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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This was in Afghanitan and not Iraq...people dont care about
Afghanistan anymore but...anyways

How in the world are we making it MORE dangerous for anyone? It
really makes me upset to see all these protesters saying that
war is evil and all that, yeah people will die, people die everyday.
But I bet you a million dollars that if they were in some crappy
3rd world country being controled by a tyrant who raped their
wives and killed their children they wouldn't be opposed to
someone coming in and kicked him out. They are just the spoiled
children of America. Either way we are here and aren't leaving
till we win.
#13 Apr 25 2004 at 11:17 PM Rating: Default
EDIT:
I made a joke but quickly realized it was kindling for flames.

Edited, Mon Apr 26 00:18:14 2004 by Stanlo
#14 Apr 26 2004 at 12:02 AM Rating: Excellent
I was going to post a few opinions, but I do not want to trivialize Tape's effort over there. So I will leave it at...

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It really makes me upset to see all these protesters saying that war is evil and all that, yeah people will die, people die everyday... They are just the spoiled children of America


...and you deserve to be. These people are the ignorant bastards that could end the war prematurely, discarding the sacrifices that so many heros have made.

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Either way we are here and aren't leaving till we win.


Give em hell Tape!


#15 Apr 26 2004 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
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you (used at soldiers in general) are possibly making it more dangerous for us in the long run by creating a new generation of terrorists who grow up hearing how the USA has killed thousands of their people while pillaging their oil.
#16 Apr 26 2004 at 12:46 AM Rating: Default
That brings up a good point. You can't kill all the 'terroroists' or the 'bad guys', and the ones that survive will be sneakier, smarter, and hold more conviction in their hearts than ever before.
#17 Apr 26 2004 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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You guys do bring up a good point...so we should let the drug dealers and murders do as they wish
or else the children of those people will grow up to hate cops and kill more cops? how about the ****'s
...should we have just left them alone? And we need to stop thinking about ourselves and what "could"
happen, and look at these people over here and what "IS" happening. Afghanistan is the #1 drug producing country in the world, so we are here doing more then causing
problems, we are establishing a government and making sure that elections are fair and people can vote for who they want
we aren't here killing babies and shooting innocent people out of our trucks...you have to look past the media.
Honestly I can't expect anyone who isn't here fighitng it, worried about dying themselves to understand, but for those
that are here...trust me, we know we are doing the right thing
for the greater good. You might not see it but your children will.

Like anything it takes time to see results.

But lets be fair, if this is causing more problems then what should be done? What should we do?

Edited, Mon Apr 26 03:49:07 2004 by Tape
#18 Apr 26 2004 at 4:56 AM Rating: Decent
Erm, Godwins anyone. I appreciate the fact that you are there, I have friends and managed to serve my time between wars. Afgahnistan IMHO is where we should have been focused all along unfortunately you guys have been ignored by the corruptness of the current administration. I hope you guys do catch Bin Laden but the focus as you have pointed out has been redirected from you. If nothing else you should thank Pat Tillman for making everyone else aware that there are still troops in danger in fighting the real enemy. I hope my friends stay safe and fear that they wont but to you I say God's speed on your misson and may we at least get closure for one chapter of this horrible episode.
#19 Apr 26 2004 at 6:55 AM Rating: Default
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hope my friends stay safe and fear that they wont but to you I say God's speed on your misson and may we at least get closure for one chapter of this horrible episode.
As a serving member of thr Royal Navy i would like to second that.

By no means are my comments a slight at the people in Iraq, Afganistan or any other theater. They are also not a slight on Flish who has lost a person who he valued.
#20 Apr 26 2004 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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^^ What he said. It makes me sad to think that because I may oppose the war idealogically, that is translated into a lack of support for the troops.

It takes a special kind of person to put blind faith in an ideal and risk their lives and their family's happiness- be it a fireman, EMT, policeman, or a soldier. While I may disgaree with the Commander-in-Chief and why he made his decision to send troops to war, I wouldn't mock their faith in their cause. I do appreciate that by your actions you validate my freedom of thought, and I reserve the right to express myself as best I see fit.
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