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#52 Apr 25 2004 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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[quote]Personally, My wife and I are expecting a child right now.


How is that little hot tamale doing? Smiley: wink2



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#53 Apr 25 2004 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
Right where I left it.
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Ok with changing times childern should be told about sex as soon as possible. This is going to be different from child to child depending on their level of maturity. Girls mature faster than boys (not sure if this is a fact or just a very popular belief)so they can probablly handle the information at a younger age without snickering and laughing everytime their parent says the word *****. When you have this talk with your children dont think for one second that this is going to be the first time they have ever talked about this subject, so basically what you are doing is weeding out all of the incorrect and or corrupt information they have already recieved from their peers. The concequences of not doing this can be too great and just because you feel uncompfortable in no way brings any justification to stds or teen pregnancy. When my father attempted to give me
"the talk" he said,"son do you know about sex?" To which I replied, "yea dad my cousin already explained everything." He then retorted, "Good boy." This ,although acceptable for him and myself at the time, is an example of what not to do.

On a side note: Anyone ever notice that humans are the only species of animal that can defy the laws of natural selection? Other animals dont have "teen pregnancy" because they natrually mate with the male that seems the most powerfull, or is displaying his colors the most. This keeps their offspring filled with his genes and in some cases lables him as a decent provider. Humans however, have discovered that sex feels good and adopted the everpopular theory of, if it feels good do it! This leads to overpopulation and a lower rate of evolution of the human species thru gene pool quality. Sooooooo when I am elected supreme ruler of earth I will require a breeding license in order to reproduce. Any reproduction without said license will be punishable by death!
#55 Apr 25 2004 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Who are you to tarnish their views? If they want to do that let em, and shut up

Blow me, you sel righetous idiot. Their views don't work in teh real world. If they told me they were going to beg for change on a streetcorner I'd tell them to find a job.
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#56 Apr 25 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if you practiced abstinence, most people with these sort of views are the biggest hypocrites in the world.


Actually, yes, I did practice abstinence. That might make me a minority, but I'm glad I did it. All of my "firsts" were with my husband and I'm glad that I was able to share them with him.
#57 Apr 25 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, yes, I did practice abstinence. That might make me a minority, but I'm glad I did it. All of my "firsts" were with my husband and I'm glad that I was able to share them with him.

First handjob, first rimming, first threesome, first on film **** eggplant insertion...

In all seriousness, why but why would you not have sex with anyone else before you were married. You could be having the worst sexual experience imaginable and have no idea.
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#58 Apr 25 2004 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, yes, I did practice abstinence. That might make me a minority, but I'm glad I did it. All of my "firsts" were with my husband and I'm glad that I was able to share them with him.


Well, good for you. I did say "most".
#59 Apr 25 2004 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Blow me, you sel righetous idiot. Their views don't work in teh real world. If they told me they were going to beg for change on a streetcorner I'd tell them to find a job.


their views dont work? how can a view work?

I could say your views dont work, i wouldn't because im literate, but i could do, and why is what you say more important than what i say, if you backed up your argument with something logical, even if you were wrong i wouldnt tell you i thought that, because im not offensive like you, or at least i dont start it off

edited so i make myself look less of an idiot

Edited, Sun Apr 25 17:53:38 2004 by Dracoid
#60 Apr 25 2004 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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I could say your views dont work, i wouldn't because im literate, but i could do, and why is what you say more important than what i say, if you backed up your argument with something logical, even if you were wrong i wouldnt tell you i thought that, because im not offensive like you, or at least i dont start it off


I think you are pissing him off because you are refusing to see that he is right.

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Their views don't work in teh real world. If they told me they were going to beg for change on a streetcorner I'd tell them to find a job.


This one hurts my head.
#61 Apr 25 2004 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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their views dont work? how can a view work?

My view is that breathing air is required for humans to live.

That view works.

Someone elses view that humans can breath cyonide in place of air and live for years doesn't work.

See, the word "view" is a noun. Nouns can be used in sentances along with things called "verbs", such as "work".

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I could say your views dont work, i wouldn't because im literate, but i could do, and why is what you say more important than what i say, if you backed up your argument with something logical, even if you were wrong i wouldnt tell you i thought that, because im not offensive like you, or at least i dont start it off

Horay for Captian Literacy! I'm really not much of a speling or grammar ****, but if you're going to attack someone elses, take the time to not sound like you just learned the language by reading ee cummings (sweet, two ee cummings refrences in a week go me).

Let me clean that up for you:

I could say your views dont work.

Ok, see, that's a sentace all by itself.

I wouldn't, because im literate, but i could.

"because I'm literate is a parenthitical phrase which requires a comma before "because. Also "could do" is redundant. You could say "could do that" or just "could"


Why is what you say more important than what i say?

Tradionally, one would indicate that a sentance is a question by ending it with a question mark (that squiggly thin at the end of the aboce sentance).

If you backed up your argument with something logical, I wouldn't take issue with you.
I took some poetic liscense on that one. I have no clue what you were actually trying to convey.


Even if you were wrong, I wouldnt tell you that I thought that you were wrong, because im not offensive like you.
1. I'm not wrong.

2. You're not bright like me either. I'd be more worried about that than the offensive thing, were I you.

or at least i dont start it off
What is your first language? Maybe I speak it and we can have an actual conversation where both sides can understand the other.




edited so i make myself look less of an idiot

How's that working out for you? I'd recommend editing again.
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#62 Apr 25 2004 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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2. I don't plan on having sex until I'm more mature and responsible, and possibly married.

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Bullsh*t, you won't make it out of highschool. If you did WHY would you want to wait to something that produces probably the best feeling in the world? To torture yourself? Masochism? Do you do the same thing when it comes to other things that feel good? Gee, I get an edorphin high when I run, I better stop doing that untill I'm married.


I would love to disagree with you. But the god~awful truth is that I have no idea what's going to happen in High School. All I'm saying is that I don't "plan" to have sex until I am married, because I was taught that sex is important and should not be abused.

The reason it can't even be compared to running is that you are sharing sex with another person. You are inside another person's body, and that totally alters a relationship.



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Smash said it in his usual delicate way, but essentially it's true that it's religious groups who exert the most pressure to keep sex education out of schools.

If kids are having sex, I don't want them to be ignorant and too embarassed to keep themselves protected and make good decisions.


I agree whole~heartedly that sex education should be taught in schools, but also understand why religious groups would want it out.


Since the Bible and other Holy Books make such a huge deal about pre~marital sex, religious adults are scared for their children. They misunderstand the bible's meaning and see sex as an evil, vile thing. So the mentality is, the less their child knows about sex, the better off they are.

Unfortunately for parents who don't want their children to know about sex, it happens anyway. As early as Elementary school, sexual jokes are thrown around, as well as songs.(I remember coming up with a ditty about President Clinton and Monica in the 3rd grade >< I won't repeat it though)

I'm not trying to sway anyone's views or anything (As a matter of fact, it's been proven to be impossible to change people's opinions on Forums), I'm just saying I see where everyone else in coming from.


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#63 Apr 25 2004 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Kids shouldn't have sex. They're irresponsible, and they get pregnant.


I've met plenty of adults who are sexually irresponsible. It isn't only limited to 'kids'. Oh, and they get pregnant too. Oopsie!

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Teenage parents which keep their children commit their kids to a life of poverty.

These aren't my opinions, they're facts. Here's my opinion:

poverty = bad.


Facts, eh? Where did you get this information? Is it in a published public or peer-reviewed journal? I would like to review the study and their methods/conclusion.

For the record, I myself was one of those irresponsible kids. I got pregnant in High School. Although I have always been pro-choice, I decided to have and keep my baby, and I would have to refute the assertion that my decision has commited my children to a life of poverty. In fact, I think we are doing pretty damn well, thanks.
#64 Apr 25 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
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I realize all this is a personal decision... but why in the world would anyone want to wait until they were married until they have sex? Or, marry the first person they had sex with? If I had done that, I'd be currently in jail for killing my gay, psychotic husband. This is hypothetically speaking, of course.
#65 Apr 25 2004 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
Whta if after you got married, it didn't fit.
#66 Apr 25 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Default
Calm down sinistrd....
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that keeping a child as a teenager will typically result in a lower standard of living than your parents had.

Is there exceptions? Of course, you're obviously a good example.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=poverty+teenage+parents

I don't normally send people on google hunts, but seriously... Is it that hard to believe?


Sex education works, pressure for abstinance is quite counter productive. However there are reasons for doing both and that was all I was trying to state...
#67 Apr 25 2004 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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pressure for abstinance is quite counter productive.


I don't think so, but to rely on it exclusively is just plain stupid. Abstinence should be promoted as a form of birth control, and protection vs STD's, that is 100% effective. 100%, you can't get any better than that. Maybe abstinence and a condom, I have heard of men who claim to have slipped, and ended up having sex, others claim that it just happened, so you just can't be too careful.

Edited, Mon Apr 26 00:35:38 2004 by Reinman
#68 Apr 26 2004 at 12:53 AM Rating: Default
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/parenting/03/09/abstinence.study.ap/index.html

I read about it recently, the abstinence part is fine, its the pressure part that goes awry.
#69 Apr 26 2004 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree whole~heartedly that sex education should be taught in schools, but also understand why religious groups would want it out.
I know exactly why they want it out.

They're wrong. Their desire to keep young people sexually ignorant is harmful to the people they claim to be protecting.

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I don't think so, but to rely on it exclusively is just plain stupid
The problem with abstinance is that there is no grey area. One either abstains or one doesn't. A parent can hope their child abstains, but it's wiser to bet they won't and prepare them for the reality of sexual behavior.
#70 Apr 26 2004 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
i]It's difficult to simultaneously prepare for sex and say you're not going to have sex," said Peter Bearman, the chair of Columbia University's Department of Sociology, who co-authored the study with Hannah Bruckner of Yale.[/i]

This is really the only thing that really contradicts my point a view. It's difficult, but not impossible, naturally it is highly dependant on what kind of relationship you have with your child.

The question is, what percentage of kids that pledge abstinence in this study, were also taught to have sex safely. If all the kids recieved the same education on how to have sex safely, I think the abstinence group would then exhibit the appropriate decrease in the numbers, since as this study states, they are having less sex.

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I read about it recently, the abstinence part is fine, its the pressure part that goes awry.


I didn't see where it talked about pressure in this article.

When I approach my child about sex, if they were to say, "Don't worry about that dad, I am not going to have sex until I am married". I would start to worry. Furthermore, I would say something like, well that may change so I want to be very clear on the implications and responsibilities of having sex. Wherein the responsibilities section would contain a good talk about condoms, and let them know that condoms are not100% effective, and that there are risks involved even when you are acting responsibly. The only 100% method is abstinence, and thus the best choice, but it is a long way from 100% to 0%. I was taught that condoms were 77% effective, looking back on this now it seems low.

I know a girl that got pregnant when she was on the pill and used a condom. Crazy!
#71 Apr 26 2004 at 1:45 AM Rating: Decent
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For the record, I myself was one of those irresponsible kids. I got pregnant in High School.
Would you agree many do end up in poverty? That you didn't is comendable and i admire you because of it.

However a high % of young girls do end up on the breadline or below it because they got pregnant at or shortly after 16.

Here is another genralisation that has basis in Fact for the majority: Teenagers will do the opposite of what figures of authority tells them.

It's a generalisation because it should read:

Teenagers do the opposite of what figures in authority tell them whan the reasons are badly explained and said teenagers don't understand why they shouldn't do it.

so saying:
'Don't have sex before marriage'
is bad but saying:
'look if you have sex before marriage it's going to take a few things away from you ok, that first time is not going to be as Special, your probably going to be used by the perosn your having sex with unless your really lucky, so think about it sex can be great with the right person but a first bad experiance can put you off for a long time'.

While i don't agree with 'No sex before marriage' i could change a few words and make that example into a 'Don't have sex unless you want it and make sure you use protection' it's all about giving kids the right information so they can make 'Good' choises.

I was 15 when i first had sex, i had my first child at 28.

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#72 Apr 26 2004 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I was taught that sex is important and should not be abused.

It's about as important as taking a ****. Sex doesn't equate to love for either gender and really, lust doesn't either. It's two seperate things entirely. Trying to glue them together is what causes most of the problems our society has with sex. I have sex with my wife because I lust after her, I don't have sex with other women because I love her.

Two diffrent things.
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#73 Apr 26 2004 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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that first time is not going to be as Special,

Come on, no one's first time is "special" regardless if they wait to be married or need the money. The first time as with anything else is messy, confused, and most of the time painfull.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#74 Apr 26 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Come on, no one's first time is "special" regardless if they wait to be married or need the money.


could you print me off a copy of your complete population of the world survey and show me the 100% saying "no my first time wasn't special"?

if not then i repeat: Who are you to tarnish their views? If they want to do that let em, and shut up

Edited, Mon Apr 26 10:55:22 2004 by Dracoid
#75 Apr 26 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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could you print me off a copy of your complete population of the world survey and show me the 100% saying "no my first time wasn't special"?

if not then i repeat: Who are you to tarnish their views? If they want to do that let em, and shut up

You're SO right. It's impossible to ever make statements saying "no-one" has a universal oppinion on anyhting. Becuase of your stringent belief in this you have made the following statements completely acceptable points of view by your ethical and logical code:

Some women LOVE being raped. They go out looking to be raped!
Some one year olds LOVE having sex with adults. They LOVE IT!
Some Jews LOVED going to the gas chambers. They LOVED it!

Good to know you support the aboves statements, as clearly there's not been any 100% survey asking people these things. In your world they are just as likely to be true as not.

You disgusting masognistic **** pedophile.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#76 Apr 26 2004 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Good to know you support the aboves statements, as clearly there's not been any 100% survey asking people these things. In your world they are just as likely to be true as not.

You disgusting masognistic **** pedophile.


as far as "In your world they are just as likely to be true as not." then yes i completely agree with you, im not sure about teh "your world" part, but still. and as far as the "disgusting masognistic **** pedophile", thats like me saying "if anything you say is right regardless of wether you've looked it up, you can express your views and everyone else should take them as fact", so here goes, smash is stupid, i dont care what he says or what he thinks about it, i said it so its right. i dont actually think your stupid, youre many things, but not stupid, but that dosent stp me saying it and expecting people to believe it if i had your attitude towards personal views
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