"If he were older than 18 years old, then maybe. Maybe I would encourage him. But sending this boy - it is not acceptable."
- Tamam Abdu
speaking about the men who inlisted her 16-year-old son Hussam to attempt a suicide bombing; authorities stopped him at a checkpoint in Isreal, discovered his bomb and difused it.
From Time magazine, April 5, 2004 pg 17
Why is it ok for your 19-year-old son to be a mass murderer, but not your 16-year-old? And how in the hell could someone actually encourage their child to blow themselves, along with some other people, up?
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Yeah! 16 year olds should be able to suicide bomb just like the rest of us!
well maybe if he was 14 like the last one they caught she would of been happier.
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Why is it ok for your 19-year-old son to be a mass murderer, but not your 16-year-old? And how in the hell could someone actually encourage their child to blow themselves, along with some other people, up?
How can we, a society that says that at eighteen years you can join the army and operate multi million dollar machinery that kills hundreds of people at a time...
but you can't buy a beer.
possibly deal with such a contradictory set of morals.
Those crazy bastards.
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Hey, our way is right, no matter how insane it looks when you take it apart!
Hahahaha, what a clever analogy. I can drive a tank, but I can't buy a fifth of Jim Beam. I can learn how to kill people, but I can't drink a beer. I can vote and influence leadership of my country, but I can't....... whatever.
The point of my post was not at what age should the immature be given the power to kill, but who in their right mind would support such a thing? I wouldn't say, "Yeah Junior, you're 19 now, go blow them no good shoppers at Wally world to peices, so the govt. knows we're not happy with them." I wouldn't encourage him at 12, 14, 19 or 41. And where did you get the idea that enlisting in the US military lowers you to the status of a suicide bomber in the Gaza strip? I don't see the correlation between taking an oath to defend your country and walking into a crowded market or bus and blowing it up.
"I wish you the best of luck, Hassan. With Allah's blessing you will take a few of the infidels children or maybe a pregnant lady with you. No, no, no it's okay you're 18 now. You can indescriminately slaughter at will, really. At 18 Americans can enlist in the military it's the same thing. Really."
Are you serious?
The point of my post was not at what age should the immature be given the power to kill, but who in their right mind would support such a thing? I wouldn't say, "Yeah Junior, you're 19 now, go blow them no good shoppers at Wally world to peices, so the govt. knows we're not happy with them." I wouldn't encourage him at 12, 14, 19 or 41. And where did you get the idea that enlisting in the US military lowers you to the status of a suicide bomber in the Gaza strip? I don't see the correlation between taking an oath to defend your country and walking into a crowded market or bus and blowing it up.
"I wish you the best of luck, Hassan. With Allah's blessing you will take a few of the infidels children or maybe a pregnant lady with you. No, no, no it's okay you're 18 now. You can indescriminately slaughter at will, really. At 18 Americans can enlist in the military it's the same thing. Really."
Are you serious?
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The point of my post was not at what age should the immature be given the power to kill, but who in their right mind would support such a thing? I wouldn't say, "Yeah Junior, you're 19 now, go blow them no good shoppers at Wally world to peices, so the govt. knows we're not happy with them."
No, but lots and lots of people say "Well, Junior, you're 18 now. Go kill whoever the government tells you to, risking your life in the process and if you die they'll give me a real nice folded up flag."
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I wouldn't encourage him at 12, 14, 19 or 41. And where did you get the idea that enlisting in the US military lowers you to the status of a suicide bomber in the Gaza strip? I don't see the correlation between taking an oath to defend your country and walking into a crowded market or bus and blowing it up.
Taking an oath to defend your country and taking an oath to martyr yourself for your faith are morally *IDENTICAL*. In point of fact the martyr's decision is a lot more sincere and difficult as he's not making it with the intention of hanging out for three years and paying for school.
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"I wish you the best of luck, Hassan. With Allah's blessing you will take a few of the infidels children or maybe a pregnant lady with you. No, no, no it's okay you're 18 now. You can indescriminately slaughter at will, really. At 18 Americans can enlist in the military it's the same thing. Really."
Are you serious?
As a heart attack. Because it is the same thing. With the exception that suicide bombers on the Gaza strip are infinately more brave than US recruits QED as they're willing to give their lives for what they believe.
I might not think that what they believe is a good idea, but I don't allways think that the reasons the US kills people are good ideas either.
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HeresJohnny, lemme help you out here: Don't argue that its moraly wrong for those filthy arabs to kill but that they are killin inocent people and the big brave American G.I. are trying to bring Democracy to a benighted people, then you may get somewhere.
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No, but lots and lots of people say "Well, Junior, you're 18 now. Go kill whoever the government tells you to, risking your life in the process and if you die they'll give me a real nice folded up flag."
That's an important distinction there in my mind. I imagine very few people send their children off to boot camp expecting to never see them again. When you kiss you child on the cheek and wish them luck with the bombing you know you won't.
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Taking an oath to defend your country and taking an oath to martyr yourself for your faith are morally *IDENTICAL*. In point of fact the martyr's decision is a lot more sincere and difficult as he's not making it with the intention of hanging out for three years and paying for school.
All though what I actually said was
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I don't see the correlation between taking an oath to defend your country and walking into a crowded market or bus and blowing it up.
I think your statement better illustrates the differences than the similarities. Very few people enlist in the US military so the can go kill someone. Fewer take that oath expecting to die. A vast majority do enlist to put in their time and earn money for college, or learn a trade or skill. And IMO that makes a huge difference.
HeresJohnny wrote:
"I wish you the best of luck, Hassan. With Allah's blessing you will take a few of the infidels children or maybe a pregnant lady with you. No, no, no it's okay you're 18 now. You can indescriminately slaughter at will, really. At 18 Americans can enlist in the military it's the same thing. Really."
Are you serious?
Smasharoo wrote:
As a heart attack. Because it is the same thing. With the exception that suicide bombers on the Gaza strip are infinately more brave than US recruits QED as they're willing to give their lives for what they believe.
Do you mean that not only are members of the US armed forces indiscriminate murderer's of women and children, but they are also cowardly because they don't kill themselves while doing it?
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I might not think that what they believe is a good idea, but I don't allways think that the reasons the US kills people are good ideas either.
And this I can agree with. Our motives for military action are not something that I have always believed in. But, the methods we use are far cry from targeting the citizens of a government we don't agree with.
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HeresJohnny, lemme help you out here: Don't argue that its moraly wrong for those filthy arabs to kill but that they are killin inocent people and the big brave American G.I. are trying to bring Democracy to a benighted people, then you may get somewhere.
I honestly thought I was. I'm not really concerned with how the US military really = Hamas. Smash brought up that tangent.
What I was thinking about was how anyone could support killing innocent civilians in order to change a governments policy. I could see it if there were soldiers there or they were walking up next to tanks and blowing themselves up, but they are not. They are blowing themselves up on buses and in markets, night clubs, commuter trains and crashing planes into office buildings. How do people come to believe that that is the way to effect policy change?
If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Then find someone that life has given vodka and have party.
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What I was thinking about was how anyone could support killing innocent civilians in order to change a governments policy. I could see it if there were soldiers there or they were walking up next to tanks and blowing themselves up, but they are not. They are blowing themselves up on buses and in markets, night clubs, commuter trains and crashing planes into office buildings. How do people come to believe that that is the way to effect policy change?
Because it works.
Because without suicide bombing and Hammas and Hezbolah, Syria and Lebanon would be referred to as South and West Isreal today.
Sorry if that bothers you, but they use suicide bombing as a tatic because it's effective. Because it prevokes a reaction from the Isrealis and because it get's them influence into the middle east peace process.
They learned from the IRA who did the exact same thing, but without killing themselves. Where's the outrage about that? Oh, that's right, those are good Catholic boys killing innocents, that's ok then.
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You know it is a rare day in the good ol' US of A when Smash actually makes more than one point that I agree with, but he has done a good job in this thread. Only referrencing to posts of his above this, he may still **** it up yet.
But on the other side, it does not matter what age they are the actions should not be encouraged by a sons mother at any age. I mean what kind of parent would wish there Son would commit suicide/homicide at any age? IMHO not a very good one.
But on the other side, it does not matter what age they are the actions should not be encouraged by a sons mother at any age. I mean what kind of parent would wish there Son would commit suicide/homicide at any age? IMHO not a very good one.
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