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#27 Apr 09 2004 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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Hehe, I was wondering who would pick that up first.
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$21.59 per barrel nominal price for crude in 1980.

$31.77 per barrel nominal price for crude in 1981.

I guess that was Regan's fault, right? I mean it was Carter's fault for the four years he was in office, yeah?

The President really can't do **** about the price of Oil. However when he runs on a platform saying that he can and then takes Billions from big oil you can pretty much bet that oil prices aren't going *down* during his term.

But if you want to compare the Bush Presidency with the Carter presidency, that's fine with me. I think there's a lot of parrallels actually. A horribly failed middle east policy, a horribly failed economy, high energy prices.

Works for me.
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#29 Apr 10 2004 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
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OPEC Is No Friend of Ours
by Jerry Taylor

Jerry Taylor is director of natural resource studies at the Cato Institute.

Is the OPEC cartel a good thing for consumers? Its raison d'etre, after all, is to radically restrain production in order to jack up oil prices. Given the political and economic angst sparked by the recent spike in gasoline prices, you'd think that the answer would be rather obvious. You would, however, be wrong. Rather than come up with a plan to bust up the cartel, most Washington politicos and policy mavens are content to leave the cartel alone and, in fact, defend OPEC against those who want to tear it down.

OPEC apologists contend that the cartel assists in stabilizing oil prices. The record, however, suggests otherwise.

In the period between World War II and the formation of OPEC, the inflation-adjusted price of oil fluctuated little. Oil prices indeed jumped during the Middle East crises of 1956 and 1967, but they fell back quickly. In fact, the inflation-adjusted price of oil -- indexed by GDP -- fell by about two-thirds from 1945 to 1970.

From 1970-1980, however, the real price of oil rose by about 1,300 percent. Between 1980 and 1986, it dropped by about two-thirds. It was fairly steady between 1986-1997, fell farther in 1997-1998, and then nearly quadrupled after February 1999. This is stability?

Cartel prices fluctuate more because they are less certain than normal market prices, inviting speculation. In short, market agents are forced not only to consider global supply and demand but also to factor in OPEC's behavior and its members' fidelity to their promises. Hence, the market is less predictable and prices are accordingly more volatile.

The price spike in late 1973 is instructive. There were only trivial changes in world oil supply yet prices rocketed, a phenomenon that can only be explained by buyers' panic.

Others believe that OPEC is doing us a favor by producing oil in dribs and drabs because underproduction now postpones the end of the oil age. The widely advertised, long predicted end of the oil age, however, is like the horizon -- forever receding as we move closer to it.

How would we know if oil was indeed becoming scarcer? The only certain metric would be finding costs. If oil stocks were indeed dwindling, it would be more expensive to find and develop each additional barrel of oil. Up until about 15 years ago, however, finding and developing costs were trending downwards, not upwards.

Since then, most of the data on the matter have simply disappeared. As an alternative, economists Morry Adelman and Campbell Watkins tabulated the sales value of proved reserves in the United States, information that serves as a window on the value of oil reserves anywhere in which oil finders can go freely and invest. From 1982-2002, however, the price of existing reserves did not increase, demonstrating that the market does not believe oil in the ground is an appreciating asset.

Someday, of course, oil stocks will indeed begin to dwindle. When that might be, however, is unknowable because new technologies continue to emerge that make finding and producing oil cheaper than ever before. Regardless, we don't need OPEC to manage the future. When depletion becomes a real problem, oil prices will rise of their own accord and economies will adjust because prices today reflect expectations about prices tomorrow.

OPEC's defenders also contend that high oil prices bring political stability to the Middle East and that low oil prices bring political instability. Perhaps. But why is a stable Saudi, Iranian, or Libyan regime in our interest? While we could perhaps imagine worse regimes, we could certainly imagine better. But more to the point, the argument that these undemocratic, oppressive, ideologically bizarre, and terrorist-friendly regimes are propped-up by high oil prices is scarcely a strong argument for applauding the cartel's machinations. In fact, President Bush's program to encourage human rights, democracy, and peace in the Middle East will not succeed as long as these regimes remain in power in their current incarnations.

Let's be clear about what's at stake. If OPEC disappeared tomorrow, oil prices would drop to somewhere around $8 a barrel and gasoline prices would almost certainly be south of $1 a gallon. A price collapse of that magnitude would do more for consumer welfare and the overall health of the American economy than almost anything that's been put on the table by President Bush or his Democratic Party rivals. Accordingly, the OPEC cartel should be resisted, not embraced, and policy should aim at undermining it, not propping it up.



http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-26-04.html

Having oil production and pricing subject to free market forces would do much more to lower gas prices than anything that has been suggested by either party or from posters on this board.
#30 Apr 10 2004 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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One, Opec IS WAHT YOU GET when you let "free market forces" work. It's the ultimate example of end game capitalism. Two,

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If OPEC disappeared tomorrow, oil prices would drop to somewhere around $8 a barrel and gasoline prices would almost certainly be south of $1 a gallon.

Is patently false and would require living in a dreamworld to belive. We are talking about CATO, though. The same people who said that electrcity de-regulation would lead to a market where energy was "essentially free".

We saw just how well "market forces" actually worked in that situation didn't we? People intentionally took power plants off line to drive the price of energy up. Do you know why none of the CATO theories will ever be implimented?

Because they would never work. Do you know why they would never work?

Because they *allways* leave out the most potent "market force" of all.

Greed.

Free markets lead to monoplies and the have's ******* the have nots as much as they possibly can. We *had* a free market economy in this country before we passed anti-trust laws. Why is it was passed those laws again? Why is it we have the SEC?

Oh yes, that's right, free markets are driven by ultra-selfish greed and lead only to what you're seeing right now with Opec. Consolidation of markets and stagnation of competetion. Regulation is what allows competiton to flourish and economies to work. Capitalism without regulation doesn't and will never work.

Sorry. Maybe you should find a new religion, pardon me, I mean political ideology or random think-tank group to assoiate yourself with. You cross posting the CATO website ******** doesn't make it carry any more weight in reality.

Brookings is good. Brookings is actually a CENTRIST think tank without an agenda that does not partisan research. Anything that comes out of CATO, AEI, or Heratige is going to be right wing fantasy crap just as anything that comes out Urban Institute or PPI is going to be left wing crap. Naturally I'm going to be more inclined to care about the left wing crap research, but it'll still ussually be crap. Just like CATO, it'll be agenda driven research where the conclusion is known before the question is asked.

In the article you post for example: CATO thinks free markets will solve the problem?

I'm *SHOCKED*! Shocked, I say.
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#31 Apr 10 2004 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Is patently false and would require living in a dreamworld to belive. We are talking about CATO, though. The same people who said that electrcity de-regulation would lead to a market where energy was "essentially free".

We saw just how well "market forces" actually worked in that situation didn't we? People intentionally took power plants off line to drive the price of energy up.


If you are talking about California then you are speaking out of your ***. Energy has still not been de-regulated there. If you want to know the real reasons for the energy problems in California try doing some research.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-406es.html

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Anything that comes out of CATO, AEI, or Heratige is going to be right wing fantasy crap


Again ********* I have already shown in previous threads that The Cato Institute supports traditionally "left wing" ideas as well. If you want to characterize them then at least be accurate and say that they are a mostly libertarian leaning think tank.

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Opec IS WAHT YOU GET when you let "free market forces" work


Then you must be happy that Cato is advocating policies to break up this cartel? I think your definition of "free market forces" in this example is quite different from what they are arguing.
#32 Apr 10 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Again bullsh*t. I have already shown in previous threads that The Cato Institute supports traditionally "left wing" ideas as well. If you want to characterize them then at least be accurate and say that they are a mostly libertarian leaning think tank.

No, it's a right wing thinktank that advocates almost exclusively right wing ideas with the occasional social policy that's sympathetic to the left.

I think they're a right wing think tank.

People for the American Way think's they are a Right Wing Tank.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=9261

They're a MEMBER of Townhall.com, a right wing clearing house for commentary (along with Heratige and AEI who are also sponsors).

http://www.townhall.com/members/

If you pull up a list of "Conservative Think Tanks" on about.com Cato has PAID MONEY to be on that list:

http://usconservatives.about.com/cs/thinktanks/

Wake the fu'ck up.

The only one who doesn't think of them as right wing is YOU. They PAY FOR THE PRIVLIDGE of being listed on numerous right wing web sites and guides to right wing think tanks.

Calling them "Libertarian" makes as much sense as me saying Nader isn't "Left Wing" because he's Progressive.

Ed Crane, the founder of Cato said the following:


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“I think Franklin Roosevelt was a lousy president. What he did – which is to impose this great nanny state on America – was a great mistake.” -- Ed Crane


So. Let's see now.

Anti-Regulation? Check.
Anti-New Deal? Check.
Pro-Privitization of Soc Sec? CHECK! It's their primary focus.
Has workers in the Bush Administration?


Former Rep. Tim Penny (D-MN), Commission to Strengthen Social Security Check.

Sam Beard, Commission to Strengthen Social Security Check.

Carolyn Weaver, Commission to Strengthen Social Security Check.

Randy Clerihue, spokesman, Commission to Strengthen Social Security Check.

Andrew Biggs, staff member, Commission to Strengthen Social Security Check.

Mark Groombridge, Special Assistant, Office of the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security, State Dept. Check.

Takes money from US Oil companies then advocates for the destruction of OPEC? Check.

SHAZAMM!!! Imagine that, the "libertarian" oppinion is apparently "whatever oppinion is best for the special intrests who give us money"

Where does Cato's money come from? Chevron, Exxon, Shell, Amoco, HALIBURTON, etc.

They also get funding from Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds. Gee, I wonder what their stand on Tobacco is? That it improves alertness and is great for growing kids I bet.


You know who else funds Cato, genius?

The Castle Rock Foundation, a free markets at any cost right wing group.

The Sarah Scaife Foundation, the family foundation of the Mellons who fund AEI, and every other RIGHT WING think tank out there.

Koch Charitable, Olin, Earhart, and Bradley Foundations, right wing whacko money bases all.

Here's a good tip. Any orginization that wants to go back to the good old days of the "Founding Fathers" is a RIGHT WING group. Pretty much by definition. Progressive or, if you will, left wing groups want to Progress beyond the social theory of 1776. Hence the name.

It appears you belive very strongly in EVERY ******* LITTLE THING CATO HAS TO SAY.

That's great. I'm happy you've found an echo chamber for your political belief system. However, that doesn't make it not right wing because you happen to agree with it. It just makes you a right wing true believer.

Who can't admit it for some reason. Like Bill O'Riley kinda.



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Then you must be happy that Cato is advocating policies to break up this cartel?

In a free market the cartel would break itself up. QED it's a contradictory theory only put forth to be lapped up adoringly by people like you who can't even read critically. There's a reason it's an oppinion piece and not an economic model. Might as well say "Let the Easter Bunny deal with OPEC!!"



Edited, Sat Apr 10 17:04:33 2004 by Smasharoo
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#33 Apr 10 2004 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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#34 Apr 11 2004 at 4:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Anti-Regulation? Check.
Anti-New Deal? Check.
Pro-Privitization of Soc Sec? CHECK! It's their primary focus.


Those are all libertarian ideas. I could make the same kind of list to show them being leftist.

Anti-War? Check
Pro-Drug legalization/Anti-War on Drugs? Check
Anti-Patriot Act? Check

Gee, I guess they must be liberals. Pure and simple they are for limited government as defined by the Constitution. That also is how one can define libertarianism. Its too bad that neither the right wing (conservatives) or the left wing (liberals) are actually interested in protecting the freedoms and liberties of the American citizen. Say what you want about Cato but at least they are consistent and persistent in their pursuit of "Individual Liberty, Limited Government, Free Markets and Peace".

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That's great. I'm happy you've found an echo chamber for your political belief system. However, that doesn't make it not right wing because you happen to agree with it. It just makes you a right wing true believer.


No actually it just makes you look ignorant. How would you define libertarian then? Here, let me help. http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html

Political leanings are much more than the simple 2-dimensional left/right model that you try to make it out to be.
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Those are all libertarian ideas. I could make the same kind of list to show them being leftist.

Anti-War? Check
Pro-Drug legalization/Anti-War on Drugs? Check
Anti-Patriot Act? Check

Gee, I guess they must be liberals.

How many left leaning foundations or corperations provide them with funding?

Zero.

How many staffers did they have in the Clinton Administration?

Zero.


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Pure and simple they are for limited government as defined by the Constitution.

So are Republicans. I can't imagine why people might think them right wing.



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That also is how one can define libertarianism. Its too bad that neither the right wing (conservatives) or the left wing (liberals) are actually interested in protecting the freedoms and liberties of the American citizen.

I'd argue both liberals and conservatives are intrested in protecting freedoms and liberties, albiet with differing oppinions. Conservatives are intrested in protecting the freedoms of embryos. Liberals are intrested in protecting the freedoms of women. And so on.

The diffrence is, most Liberal and Conservative (which Cato is by the way) think tanks differ with Cato only slightly by restricting their agenda to the real world and not some bizarre fantasy land where advocating for abolishing the IRS and Social Security are seen as workable concepts.

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Say what you want about Cato but at least they are consistent and persistent in their pursuit of "Individual Liberty, Limited Government, Free Markets and Peace".

I could care less if they're consistent, inconsistent, or are willing to be ****** in the *** with a salami for a quarter. They are a right wing group regardless.


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No actually it just makes you look ignorant. How would you define libertarian then? Here, let me help. http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html

Diseffected loners who long for an Ann Raynd world where people succeed on their merits and there's no requirement for Government of any kind. Also, the words "fruity geek boys" leaps to mind.


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Political leanings are much more than the simple 2-dimensional left/right model that you try to make it out to be.

Not when the *entire* political landscape consists of TWO PARTIES. You see, it's a binary situation. You can be left wing, right wing, or centrist. Cato is far from centrist. In point of fact Cato is probably MORE TO THE RIGHT than the Republican party is.

Republican Freshman Congressmen read Cato's handbook like it was softcore ****. "Yeah, I'd love to do that and abolish the IRS!" "Yeah, that'd be great if we could privatize all goverment services." "Man, I wish we really could deregulate everything."

Then they put the soft core ideological **** down and deal with the real world. Jsut like Democrats do when they put down a immilar guide from a left wing group.

I know you have this massive overwhelming urge to be a *special* unique ******* political snowflake, and for your adopted idealogical master to be too, but it's unfortunately just not the case.

Tell me again how calling FDR a lousy President isn't a right wing position. FDR is the ******* GOLD STANDARD of ideas and morals for the Left. The only people that would attack him make their agenda as crystal clear as I do when I call Regan a doddering idiot.
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#36 Apr 11 2004 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement
The Cato Institute's Project on Criminal Justice examines governmental policies for their constitutionality and efficacy and advocates for an efficient, localized justice system that protects the rights of the accused.

Perhaps the most pressing problem facing the criminal justice system today is the federal government's prosecution of the drug war, which has overwhelmed and paralyzed our courts and prisons and carved unacceptable exceptions from the Bill of Rights.

Since the attacks of September 11, the Project on Criminal Justice has refocused much of its resources on protecting civil liberties in the ongoing war on terrorism. While it's important to protect Americans' security from the threat of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations, it's also vitally important that we do so without sacrificing our basic rights to privacy and due process, and that we not let fear give way to overzealous prosecution.

The Project on Criminal Justice also addresses prosecutorial and police misconduct and corruption, hate crimes legislation, mandatory minimum sentencing, gun control, and the militarization of police tactics.

Cato scholars have also been outspoken on such issues as Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Amadou Diallo case, military tribunals, medicinal marijuana, and asset forfeiture laws.


That sounds more liberal than conservative to me.

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Defense and National Security
Cato's vision includes a national defense based on strategic independence, which resists military intervention unless American vital interests are at stake. Accordingly, our Defense Policy scholars favor a strong national defense and a foreign policy that stays clear of foreign entanglements and imperial adventurism. Cato's defense policy research is currently focused on major issue areas such as restructuring U.S. military forces to fit the U.S. geostrategic situation and to better defend American vital interests; reducing the bloated defense budget; cutting unneeded or redundant weapons systems; and increasing funding for weapon systems that are funded inadequately. The combination of realistic defense objectives, a smaller force, and the right weapons will reduce unnecessary defense spending while protecting American life and liberty.

The one serious threat the United States faces today, the threat of another catastrophic terrorist attack on an American city, requires that defense of the American homeland take precedence over other military objectives. The extended U.S. defense perimeter of controlled territory abroad is actually undermining U.S. domestic security by serving as a magnet for retaliatory terrorist attacks. Furthermore, our bloated military is costly and inefficient, forcing taxpayers to pay for an out-of-date force and redundant or unneeded weapon systems that aren't appropriate to the current goals of the War on Terrorism.

The Gadsden flag, that famous banner of the American Revolution, succinctly sums up the goals that animate Cato's defense policy vision: "Don't Tread on Me." Cato's defense policy scholars seek an America strong enough to protect its citizens from foreign threats, but one that does not seek out conflict or seek to reshape the world through force of arms.


This sounds more liberal than conservative.

Here are a few more of their studies and opinions that would fall on the left side of your "binary" poitical model.

http://www.cato.org/research/articles/lynch-040322.html

http://www.cato.org/research/articles/lynch-030910.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-23-04.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/02-19-04.html

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-180es.html

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa121es.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-09-03.html

Its sad and very naive of you to think that people can only be conservative, liberal or centrist.



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Tell me again how calling FDR a lousy President isn't a right wing position. FDR is the @#%^ing GOLD STANDARD of ideas and morals for the Left.


Maybe because what he did was unconstitutional? Hell, he threatened to pack the Supreme Court with more judges if they weren't willing to ignore the constutionality of his policies.

Edited, Sun Apr 11 06:37:18 2004 by Dyzalot
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Maybe because what he did was unconstitutional?

No, I'm pretty sure most of the programs were constitutional. That's probably why they still exist. The one's that weren't Constituional aren't around any more. Or were you referring to those? Because Ed Crane wasn't.

You see, there's a body of Government known as the Supreme Court that gets to decide if things are Constituional or not.

I realize you probably thought that was Cato's job, but, remarkebly it's not. Which is odd, seeing as they clearly have a perfect understanding of practicality and framer's intent.

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Its sad and very naive of you to think that people can only be conservative, liberal or centrist.

No, it's naive of you too see a group with a moderate social agenda coupled with a cripplingly right wing fiscal agenda as anything other than it is. A conservative thinktank.

Here's a good clue. When EVERY LIBERAL GROUP considers Cato a Right Wing Think Tank and ZERO CONSERVATIVE GROUPS consider it a Left Wing Think Tank....

That's a pretty good indication that we understand where it's loyalties lie.

By the way, good job of not adressing the fact that all the money comes from right wing groups, that Cato PAYS money to be on Right Wing Thinktank lists, and is a FOUNDING MEMBER of Townhall.com.

Regardless, you posting articles from them constantly here is pointless. No one but you is reading them or thinking them particularly insightfull. If they were the types of people mushbrained enough to fall prey to that sort of thing, they'd be reading the website anyway and you'd be merely redundant.

You don't see me hapharzdly posting ACLU Amicus breifs do you? ORr Peta press releases or Earth First diatribes?

I have this shocking ability to ACTUALLY FORM MY OWN OPPINION.

Damn! You should give that a shot, there, Aristotle.

I'd highly recommed you read this site:

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html

Go back, rexamine the ludicrous propaganda you're accepting as fact from Cato and come back with a more informed oppinion.

There's a reason ALL Cato's funding comes from right wing groups, you know.

Particularly this page:

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cato.html

Which links about a dozen articles showing how Cato creates "facts" arbitrarily based upon what's best for it's contributors that particular day.

The summary of Cato from that site:

A "libertarian" quasi-academic think-tank which acts as a mouthpiece for the globalism, corporatism, and neoliberalism of its corporate and conservative funders. Cato is an astroturf organization: there is no significant participation by the tiny libertarian minority. They do not fund it or affect its goals. It is a creature of corporations and foundations.

The major purpose of the Cato Institute is to provide propaganda and soundbites for conservative and libertarian politicians and journalists that is conveniently free of reference to funders such as tobacco, fossil fuel, investment, media, medical, and other regulated industries.

Cato is one of the most blatant examples of "simulated rationality", as described in Phil Agre's The Crisis of Public Reason. Arguments need only be plausibly rational to an uninformed listener. Only a tiny percentage will notice that they are being mislead. That's all that's needed to manage public opinion.



From Disinfopydia regardin Catos STRONG ties to the GOP:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Cato_Institute

Sometimes, howeover, it has proven willing to set aside its libertarian principles - such as supporting a Bush administration moves to restrict civil liberties as part of the “war on terror.” In 2002, a Cato news release endorsed new Justice Department guidelines giving greater latitude to FBI agents to monitor Internet sites, libraries and religious institutions. "As reported in the press, the new FBI surveillance guidelines present no serious problems," declared Cato legal affairs analyst Roger Pilon, a former Reagan administration official who writes frequent Cato commentaries defending property rights and opposing affirmative action that have appeared in publications such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and the Los Angeles Times. Pilon added that "law enforcement monitoring of public places is simply good, pro-active police work that violates the rights of no one."[4]

An article on how Rupert Murdoch joined the board of Cato and pushed it even further right.

You know, Murdoch, owner of Fox News? The fair and ballanced network that's not right wing either.

http://www.fair.org/extra/9801/cato-media-moguls.html

In recent years, the Cato Institute has neared the top tier of think tanks in the United States—on Capitol Hill and in the nation's news media. In the 1996 book No Mercy: How Conservative Think Tanks and Foundations Changed America's Social Agenda, Jean Stefancic and Richard Delgado write that the Cato Institute "played a key role in forming the ideas and policies of the new Republican majority in Congress." These days, "congressional committee chairmen increasingly look to Cato scholars for testimony."



Are we done yet? Are you ready to climb out of the pile of ******** you've heaved on yourself? Or fo you need to go off and read Atlas Shrugged again to center yourself for further debate where you look like a mindless rube?

Do let me know.



Edited, Sun Apr 11 07:25:08 2004 by Smasharoo
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#38 Apr 11 2004 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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This week OPEC announced a second round of supply cuts, reducing production by 1 million barrels a day. The newest estimates state the gasoline will most likely go up to $2.40-$2.50 by Memorial Day.


This is per what? Gallon?

I suck at American measurements and would like to compare it to Holland.
#39 Apr 11 2004 at 8:21 AM Rating: Excellent
Per gallon. But that is all Left Wing political bull that is being spread by the Democrats. ;) IMHO gas will probably level out around $1.75 as a national average.
#40 Apr 11 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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1 US Gallon = 3.98 Liters (I'd just say 1G=4L but there's some twits that would lambast me for it).

So with these numbers: 0.5 euro per liter.

Edit: Stok, there's no gasoline station within 5 miles of my house that is less than $1.85 a gallon (and that's the cheap 7-11 crap). Most places with decent gas (Shell, Chevron, etc) are at $1.99 a gallon for pump87 octane.

Edited, Sun Apr 11 11:58:10 2004 by Madahme
#41 Apr 11 2004 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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O.o

Over here, I pay around 1.20 per liter. So that would mean 4.80 euro for a gallon.

Given the current Euro-Dollar, we're around 5$ then.

/rude Holland
#42 Apr 11 2004 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
Oil and Gas are ******* primative, and I'm glad the prices are jumping. Hopefully people get fed up with it and we start making stronger advancements towards other means of powering our vehicles.

How many years have we been using gas for our cars? Way too ******* long. If it weren't for the damn old farts getting rich off of it, we'd be on cheaper, more efficient modes of fueling our car.

Sure it will suck for awhile, having to pay high prices, but I'd rather pay more for gas now and get an alternative to gas sooner than have to use gas for the rest of my life, or until we sap the whole ******* earth for all of it's oil, which ever comes first.

I say "damn old farts getting rich off of it" because really, who the hell else wants to use gas? I'd think it's only the people getting rich off of it.

I want to see higher gas prices, I want to see more and more people getting hybrids, electrics, what ever, I want the demand for those types of cars to get high enough that the price goes down, and more car dealerships specializing in those types of cars.

It'd be a great ********** you".

"You want to cut down oil production, and increase our gas prices? **** you, I'm getting an electric car, take your oil and shove it up your ***"

Around $1.68 in my parts. It was $0.98 when I first started driving(in California)
#43 Apr 11 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Edit: Stok, there's no gasoline station within 5 miles of my house that is less than $1.85 a gallon (and that's the cheap 7-11 crap). Most places with decent gas (Shell, Chevron, etc) are at $1.99 a gallon for pump87 octane.
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Around $1.68 in my parts. It was $0.98 when I first started driving(in California)



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IMHO gas will probably level out around $1.75 as a national average.
See the national average is right around $1.75 when you use the prices that you and knuckle head provided. The average is actually around $1.76. :)
#44 Apr 11 2004 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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moving to more efficient means of transportation is going to be a long, slow and painful transition. the wait list for hybrid vehicles is looooooooong..and this mess just started.
#45 Apr 11 2004 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Sometimes, howeover, it has proven willing to set aside its libertarian principles - such as supporting a Bush administration moves to restrict civil liberties as part of the “war on terror.” In 2002, a Cato news release endorsed new Justice Department guidelines giving greater latitude to FBI agents to monitor Internet sites, libraries and religious institutions. "As reported in the press, the new FBI surveillance guidelines present no serious problems," declared Cato legal affairs analyst Roger Pilon, a former Reagan administration official who writes frequent Cato commentaries defending property rights and opposing affirmative action that have appeared in publications such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and the Los Angeles Times. Pilon added that "law enforcement monitoring of public places is simply good, pro-active police work that violates the rights of no one."[


Umm ok, I have stated that they are libertarian leaning, not the mouthpiece of the Libertarian party. You of course failed to read the paragraphs before or after that quote that show how Cato is libertarian. Here, allow me:

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The Cato Institute is a non-profit public policy research foundation (think tank) with strong libertarian leanings, headquartered in Washington, D.C.. It is named after Cato's Letters, a series of libertarian pamphlets that Cato's founders say helped lay the philosophical foundation for the American Revolution. Founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane and David H. Koch, its stated mission is "to broaden the parameters of public policy debate to allow consideration of the traditional American principles of limited government, individual liberty, free markets, and peace" by seeking greater involvement of the "lay public in questions of public policy and the role of government." Because of its decidedly ideological agenda on many topics, members of the Cato Institute are often cited as non-partisan experts on news programs.
In November 2002, shortly after Cato was named the "Best Advocacy Website" by the Web Marketing Association, the Alexa ratings service issued a report saying that it was "the most popular think tank site over the past three months," receiving a total of 188,901 unique visitors during the previous month of September.[1]


Funding
Between 1985 and 2001, the Institute received $15,633,540 in 108 separate grants from only nine different foundations:


Castle Rock Foundation
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
Earhart Foundation
JM Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
Known corporate funders include ExxonMobil, who gave $30,000 during 2002 [2].

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch previously served on the board of directors of Cato, which has numerous ties to the Republican Party. Cato often differs with Republican Party positions on specific issues, such as the 2003 decision by U.S. President George W. Bush to go to war with Iraq, prosecution of the war on drugs, giving federal money to faith-based organizations, and the decision of President George H.W. Bush to fight the first Gulf war. Cato has also criticized the 1998 settlement that many U.S. states signed with the tobacco industry.[3]
Sometimes, howeover, it has proven willing to set aside its libertarian principles - such as supporting a Bush administration moves to restrict civil liberties as part of the “war on terror.” In 2002, a Cato news release endorsed new Justice Department guidelines giving greater latitude to FBI agents to monitor Internet sites, libraries and religious institutions. "As reported in the press, the new FBI surveillance guidelines present no serious problems," declared Cato legal affairs analyst Roger Pilon, a former Reagan administration official who writes frequent Cato commentaries defending property rights and opposing affirmative action that have appeared in publications such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and the Los Angeles Times. Pilon added that "law enforcement monitoring of public places is simply good, pro-active police work that violates the rights of no one."[4]

Of course, that one release by Pilon is the rare exception, not the rule. Cato scholars such as Robert Levy and Timothy Lynch had railed against the Bush administration for its civil liberties record on, for example, the Padilla case, military tribunals, national ID cards, the creeping militarization of domestic law enforcement, border patrol, the drug war, grand jury abuse, the PATRIOT Act, federal surveilance of ordinary Americans, operation TIPS, and mandatory vaccinations against potential bioterror threats. [5]



http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Cato_Institute


You may also want to note that Cato has a link on the Libertarian Party's official website.

http://www.lp.org/issues/

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The Libertarian Party is committed to America's heritage of freedom:
individual liberty and personal responsibility
a free-market economy of abundance and prosperity
a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade.


That sure sounds similar to what Cato claims to advocate.
#46 Apr 11 2004 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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It sure sounds like you have absolutely nothing to refute my devestating avalanche of facts you pathetic insecure hack who can't admit to being wrong.

Here's a tip when your arguments boil down to "Come on, it sure sounds like this to me" it's a good indication they're based on a pile of *********

Stop wasting my time, you're not even close to being worthy of me replying to you. I enshroud you from this moment forward. I will ignore utterly your existance as you have nothing of your own to say on any issue.
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#47 Apr 11 2004 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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If the whole planet consumed at the rate of the US, it would take 3 planet Earths to sustain it. Just something to consider.
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Doesn't smash draw a striking resemblance to Bill O'Reilly? Especially how he can take total garbage and almost make you believe it's true through sarcasm and aggression.
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Doesn't smash draw a striking resemblance to Bill O'Reilly?

Funny story.

I was at the Beverly Center Mall while I was out in LA the last time, and who ******* RUNS ME OVER coming out of a Coffee Bean?

O'Riley.

I guess he was doing a book signing or something at the Barnes and Noble there. It pains me to say it but he was actually very good about it, apoligised, offered an autograph (I refused) and told me to email his web site and he'd send me a free book (I didn't). Actually chatted for maybe five minutes about local Boston politics (He's also from there).

Funny guy in person, very afable, surprisingly charismatic.

A stiff on TV and radio in my oppinion, but his ratings say I'm in the minority.
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Funny story.


no it wasn't.
#51 Apr 12 2004 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, probably only to me and people who've seen me yelling at the TV when the O'Rilley Factor is on. That's why I never bothered to post about it at the time.

That and the inevitble crys that I was making it up and whatnot.
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