·Theme
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- The high price of gas
The high price of gasFollow
Taxes suck. They pull valuable resources away from my ongoing attempts to take over the world, and give them to the people most likely to fall into the category of "@#$%^ do-gooders who ruined my plans". That and they are in league with the spiders...
After scanning thru the posts here, one thing strikes me. namely that evryone is complaining about the high price of petrol products. Pretty obvious statement, you might say,BUT....
Petrol is a product that is finite. it WILL run out in our life time. It costs shedloads of cash to find the base product in the first place. then more to drill and extract it. It cant have escaped anyones notice that the largest quantities of oil are found in countries wich if they arnt already, rapidly turn into war zones, wich by definition are bloody dangerous places to do business. Then when it has been extracted and refined in gigantic processing plants, it is then transported acros huge distances and probably several more war zones, and then stored in huge facilities,before being distributed to service stations where the consumer pays (where I am) about NZ$1.00 for a litre! including a large (except USA) government tax.
Now, milk comes out of a cow, down the road on a farm. no war zone, no expensive drilling & exploration to do. very little refining to do, and unless the Brits give us some nasty CJD type disease, the cows are here to stay.
Now my point is this.... WHY DOES MILK COST NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH TO THE CONSUMER AS PETROL???
Gas isnt expensive dear friends, it is amazingly,artificially CHEAP!!
Ps. i drive a diesel 4x4. I figure the only way the world will seriously begin to research alternative fuel supplies will be when oil has almost run out and it becomes prohibitevly expensive, hence the faster i help to use it up, the faster i'll be powering my car with milk! Or custard, or whatever.....
Petrol is a product that is finite. it WILL run out in our life time. It costs shedloads of cash to find the base product in the first place. then more to drill and extract it. It cant have escaped anyones notice that the largest quantities of oil are found in countries wich if they arnt already, rapidly turn into war zones, wich by definition are bloody dangerous places to do business. Then when it has been extracted and refined in gigantic processing plants, it is then transported acros huge distances and probably several more war zones, and then stored in huge facilities,before being distributed to service stations where the consumer pays (where I am) about NZ$1.00 for a litre! including a large (except USA) government tax.
Now, milk comes out of a cow, down the road on a farm. no war zone, no expensive drilling & exploration to do. very little refining to do, and unless the Brits give us some nasty CJD type disease, the cows are here to stay.
Now my point is this.... WHY DOES MILK COST NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH TO THE CONSUMER AS PETROL???
Gas isnt expensive dear friends, it is amazingly,artificially CHEAP!!
Ps. i drive a diesel 4x4. I figure the only way the world will seriously begin to research alternative fuel supplies will be when oil has almost run out and it becomes prohibitevly expensive, hence the faster i help to use it up, the faster i'll be powering my car with milk! Or custard, or whatever.....
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
One, paragraphs are your freind.
After scanning thru the posts here, one thing strikes me. namely that evryone is complaining about the high price of petrol products. Pretty obvious statement, you might say,BUT....
Petrol is a product that is finite.
That's the most meaningless thing I've ever heard and I'm a nutty left winger. The supply of everything's finite. The supply of air on the Earth is finite. The supply of Hydrogen in the Milky Way is finite. Who cares?
it WILL run out in our life time.
No it won't, that's insne. Kuwait, by itself, is sitting on top of enough reserves to last our lifetime if every other source vanished.
It costs shedloads of cash to find the base product in the first place. then more to drill and extract it. It cant have escaped anyones notice that the largest quantities of oil are found in countries wich if they arnt already, rapidly turn into war zones, wich by definition are bloody dangerous places to do business.
It's really quite cheap and plentifull. That's why there are orginisations like OPEC to ensure that it doesn't start becoming mass produced for nine cents a metric ton.
Then when it has been extracted and refined in gigantic processing plants, it is then transported acros huge distances and probably several more war zones, and then stored in huge facilities,before being distributed to service stations where the consumer pays (where I am) about NZ$1.00 for a litre! including a large (except USA) government tax.
Wait, you're in New Zeland? Shouldn't you be off ******* a sheep?
Now, milk comes out of a cow, down the road on a farm. no war zone, no expensive drilling & exploration to do. very little refining to do, and unless the Brits give us some nasty CJD type disease, the cows are here to stay.
Now my point is this.... WHY DOES MILK COST NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH TO THE CONSUMER AS PETROL???
Milk is $2 a litre?
It's hard to have perspective on this from the US. We dump millions of gallons of milk into rivers every year because the price goes too low and it's still like .60 USD a litre.
Gas isnt expensive dear friends, it is amazingly,artificially CHEAP!!
No, really, the price is actually quite high relative to the margin of profit.
Ps. i drive a diesel 4x4. I figure the only way the world will seriously begin to research alternative fuel supplies will be when oil has almost run out and it becomes prohibitevly expensive, hence the faster i help to use it up, the faster i'll be powering my car with milk! Or custard, or whatever.....
I think you should get an electric car that you can plug into the wall and use the oil that the power plant down the road burns instead of burning your own.
Wait. Do they have electricity in New Zealand?
Quote:
After scanning thru the posts here, one thing strikes me. namely that evryone is complaining about the high price of petrol products. Pretty obvious statement, you might say,BUT....
Petrol is a product that is finite.
That's the most meaningless thing I've ever heard and I'm a nutty left winger. The supply of everything's finite. The supply of air on the Earth is finite. The supply of Hydrogen in the Milky Way is finite. Who cares?
Quote:
it WILL run out in our life time.
No it won't, that's insne. Kuwait, by itself, is sitting on top of enough reserves to last our lifetime if every other source vanished.
Quote:
It costs shedloads of cash to find the base product in the first place. then more to drill and extract it. It cant have escaped anyones notice that the largest quantities of oil are found in countries wich if they arnt already, rapidly turn into war zones, wich by definition are bloody dangerous places to do business.
It's really quite cheap and plentifull. That's why there are orginisations like OPEC to ensure that it doesn't start becoming mass produced for nine cents a metric ton.
Quote:
Then when it has been extracted and refined in gigantic processing plants, it is then transported acros huge distances and probably several more war zones, and then stored in huge facilities,before being distributed to service stations where the consumer pays (where I am) about NZ$1.00 for a litre! including a large (except USA) government tax.
Wait, you're in New Zeland? Shouldn't you be off ******* a sheep?
Quote:
Now, milk comes out of a cow, down the road on a farm. no war zone, no expensive drilling & exploration to do. very little refining to do, and unless the Brits give us some nasty CJD type disease, the cows are here to stay.
Now my point is this.... WHY DOES MILK COST NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH TO THE CONSUMER AS PETROL???
Milk is $2 a litre?
It's hard to have perspective on this from the US. We dump millions of gallons of milk into rivers every year because the price goes too low and it's still like .60 USD a litre.
Quote:
Gas isnt expensive dear friends, it is amazingly,artificially CHEAP!!
No, really, the price is actually quite high relative to the margin of profit.
Quote:
Ps. i drive a diesel 4x4. I figure the only way the world will seriously begin to research alternative fuel supplies will be when oil has almost run out and it becomes prohibitevly expensive, hence the faster i help to use it up, the faster i'll be powering my car with milk! Or custard, or whatever.....
I think you should get an electric car that you can plug into the wall and use the oil that the power plant down the road burns instead of burning your own.
Wait. Do they have electricity in New Zealand?
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Just a couple points:
Yes and no. There are sources of many things that are renewable (or at least renewable in a reasonable amount of time). Oil is not one of them. A cow eats grass and produces milk. The grass grows naturally as a result of nutrients in the soil and rainfall. Nutrients are replentished via cow manure (and other things). Rainfall results from a number of global conditions. Each of these processes occur in a reasonably fast frame of time. Thus, we don't start with X amount of milk in the world and gradually consume it. We are constantly generating milk and consuming what we generate. If we drink all of it this year, there's no worries because we can make more next year.
Oil (petroleum in general) is the result of biological breakdown that takes a *very long* time to accomplish. The right type of rocks and temperatures and pressures and biological "soup", given enough time will produce crude oil. The rate of oil "production" in the earth is so small in relation to our consumption rate that it's irrelevant. We can literally think of it as a finite amount of oil that we are simply using up. We will run out eventually.
it WILL run out in our life time.
No it won't, that's insne. Kuwait, by itself, is sitting on top of enough reserves to last our lifetime if every other source vanished.
Um... Yes. It will. Hate to burst your bubble. While I have no idea of the veracity of this site, this is the *first* one I clicked after doing a simple google search:
http://www.uwec.edu/grossmzc/solberkr.html
Hmmmm... 45 years. That's our lifetime.
Feel free to do your own research. However, this is pretty close to the figure I've run across before (50ish years at our current consumption rates before all "available" sources of oil are depleted globally).
It costs shedloads of cash to find the base product in the first place. then more to drill and extract it. It cant have escaped anyones notice that the largest quantities of oil are found in countries wich if they arnt already, rapidly turn into war zones, wich by definition are bloody dangerous places to do business.
It's really quite cheap and plentifull. That's why there are orginisations like OPEC to ensure that it doesn't start becoming mass produced for nine cents a metric ton.
Heh. It's like we've swapped sides here or something. Aren't you the eco-concerned leftist?
I would suggest that keeping the production rates low has a lot more to do with keeping the profits high then anything else. If you are in the business of selling something that you can't replace, even though you may have a lot of it right now, you'll want to take steps to make as much money off that product as you possibly can. The longer the oil producing nations can drag out their supply and keep demand high in relation, they more money they make in the long run.
Not that petroleum is uniq in that respect. Every business does that (like milk!). The very real difference is that oil really is a finite resource. It will run out. So while the producers of milk keep it's production low for absolutely no reason other then to increase profits, "producers" of oil do so to both keep prices high, and to stretch the supply of their primary moneymaker.
Edited, Mon Apr 19 17:35:47 2004 by gbaji
Smasharoo wrote:
That's the most meaningless thing I've ever heard and I'm a nutty left winger. The supply of everything's finite. The supply of air on the Earth is finite. The supply of Hydrogen in the Milky Way is finite. Who cares?
Yes and no. There are sources of many things that are renewable (or at least renewable in a reasonable amount of time). Oil is not one of them. A cow eats grass and produces milk. The grass grows naturally as a result of nutrients in the soil and rainfall. Nutrients are replentished via cow manure (and other things). Rainfall results from a number of global conditions. Each of these processes occur in a reasonably fast frame of time. Thus, we don't start with X amount of milk in the world and gradually consume it. We are constantly generating milk and consuming what we generate. If we drink all of it this year, there's no worries because we can make more next year.
Oil (petroleum in general) is the result of biological breakdown that takes a *very long* time to accomplish. The right type of rocks and temperatures and pressures and biological "soup", given enough time will produce crude oil. The rate of oil "production" in the earth is so small in relation to our consumption rate that it's irrelevant. We can literally think of it as a finite amount of oil that we are simply using up. We will run out eventually.
Smasharoo wrote:
Quote:
it WILL run out in our life time.
No it won't, that's insne. Kuwait, by itself, is sitting on top of enough reserves to last our lifetime if every other source vanished.
Um... Yes. It will. Hate to burst your bubble. While I have no idea of the veracity of this site, this is the *first* one I clicked after doing a simple google search:
http://www.uwec.edu/grossmzc/solberkr.html
Hmmmm... 45 years. That's our lifetime.
Feel free to do your own research. However, this is pretty close to the figure I've run across before (50ish years at our current consumption rates before all "available" sources of oil are depleted globally).
Smasharoo wrote:
Quote:
It costs shedloads of cash to find the base product in the first place. then more to drill and extract it. It cant have escaped anyones notice that the largest quantities of oil are found in countries wich if they arnt already, rapidly turn into war zones, wich by definition are bloody dangerous places to do business.
It's really quite cheap and plentifull. That's why there are orginisations like OPEC to ensure that it doesn't start becoming mass produced for nine cents a metric ton.
Heh. It's like we've swapped sides here or something. Aren't you the eco-concerned leftist?
I would suggest that keeping the production rates low has a lot more to do with keeping the profits high then anything else. If you are in the business of selling something that you can't replace, even though you may have a lot of it right now, you'll want to take steps to make as much money off that product as you possibly can. The longer the oil producing nations can drag out their supply and keep demand high in relation, they more money they make in the long run.
Not that petroleum is uniq in that respect. Every business does that (like milk!). The very real difference is that oil really is a finite resource. It will run out. So while the producers of milk keep it's production low for absolutely no reason other then to increase profits, "producers" of oil do so to both keep prices high, and to stretch the supply of their primary moneymaker.
Edited, Mon Apr 19 17:35:47 2004 by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
yeah!! What gbaji said.....
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Ps. Idon't DO sheep. I'm a vegetarian.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Recent Visitors: 87
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (87)
- Forums
- Cross Site
- The Asylum
- The high price of gas
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC