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#27 Feb 19 2004 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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...Ok, maybe one that targetted just macs. Maybe.

Or Comcast?

Mrens do you mind going back and re-editing what I will refer to as your "gbaji reply post" into some semblance of order? I wanted to see if I got your point, really, but sometimes you bold Skeet's quote, sometimes your own response... Bleh.



Edited, Thu Feb 19 09:17:07 2004 by Atomicflea
#28 Feb 19 2004 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok fixed my post.

#29 Feb 19 2004 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent

have you guys ever seen that movie Dogma?
#30 Feb 19 2004 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Danka.

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I meant move to a normal community so you can escape the persecution excommunication means.

You know, I moved from CA (site of my Mormon baptism) back home to VA, and I could not pay missionaries to quit coming to my house and ask to "talk" to me. I think I became a challenge over the years, because I wouldn't let them in the house and had hour-long discussions with them on the porch, and they probably took bets on who could convince me to come back to the church. I begging for excommunication, but they wouldn't let me have it.
I think the problem lies with people that overly attach themselves to a church, to an ideology, instead of to their God.


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Of course every mormon pretends to be a nice person, they are afraid of their quality of life if god forbid they create a negative image of the church. Which seems good at a glance, but what the hell is so wrong with free thought?

You have a very biased opinion of the church. Sure you can name alot of instances where a mormon helped you move your couch, because thats how they are told to act.

I definetly have mixed feelings on this (which I hate to do, so I'm going to use this paragraph to work it out, skip it if that bores you). Mostly good-natured and mostly bad-natured people exist independent of outside qualifiers, be it religion, hair color, political affiliation, etc. Helping people is taught almost universally as good, kind of like not killing and not lying and sharing. I think everyone wants to believe that they are mostly good, that the things that they do are correct. On the other hand growing up under a strict moral code that seems to provide all the answers has a way of making a person content, placid, and they don't question thier belief system because to do so knocks them out of a certain comfort zone, and it takes time and energy. Some people aren't introspective.
I believe that the great fault in any religion lies in the quest for equality with the divine, which by definition is impossible. I think that by trying to regulate and morally weight individual choice, religion ignores that morality, like everything, has aspects that shift and evolve.

Mormons are not great thinkers, in my experience (Don't get ticked, Skeet, you said you don't consider yourself one). I would take a Jesuit over a Mormon anyday.

Edited, Thu Feb 19 09:30:49 2004 by Atomicflea
#31 Feb 19 2004 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I still need to do research on the incident to verify. I didn't catch the name of the place in which it happened, so I may be entirely off target.


The incident? Wasn't just one, there were many, and it went on for many years.

Joseph Smith died in a gun battle one day while meeting with, as they call each other, his Brothers and Elders.

Here's some excerpts from the History.

""Immediately there was a little rustling at the outer door of the jail, and a cry of surrender, and also a discharge of three or four firearms followed instantly. The doctor glanced an eye by the curtain of the window, and saw about a hundred armed men around the door." ... "In the meantime Joseph, Hyrum, and Elder Taylor had their coats off. Joseph sprang to his coat for his six-shooter, Hyrum for his single barrel, Taylor for Markham's large hickory cane, and Dr. Richards for Taylor's cane. All sprang against the door, the balls whistled up the stairway, and in an instant one came through the door. (History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.34, p.617)

"Joseph reached round the door casing, and discharged his six shooter into the passage, some barrels missing fire. Continual discharges of musketry came into the room Elder Taylor continued parrying the guns until they had got them about half their length into the room, when he found that resistance was vain, and he attempted to jump out of the window, where a ball fired from within struck him on his left thigh, hitting the bone, and passing through to within half an inch of the other side. He fell on the window sill, when a ball fired from the outside struck his watch in his vest pocket, and threw him back into the room." (History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.34, p.618)

"When Hyrum fell, Joseph exclaimed, "Oh dear, brother Hyrum!" and opening the door a few inches he discharged his six shooter in the stairway (as stated before), two or three barrels of which missed fire." (History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.34, p.618)

[John Taylor testified that Joseph Smith] "snapped the pistol six successive times; only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed, died, I had in my hands a large, strong hickory stick, brought there by Brother Markham, and left by him, which I had seized as soon as I saw the mob approach; and while Brother Joseph was firing the pistol, I stood close behind him. As soon as he had discharged it he stepped back, and I immediately took his place next to the door, while he occupied the one I had done while he was shooting. Brother Richards, at this time, had a knotty walking-stick in his hands belonging to me, and stood next to Brother Joseph, a little farther from the door, in an oblique direction, apparently to avoid the rake of the fire from the door. The firing of Brother Joseph made our assailants pause for a moment; very soon after, however, they pushed the door some distance open, and protruded and discharged their guns into the room, when I parried them off with my stick, giving another direction to the balls." (History of the Church, Vol.7, Ch.9, p.103)
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That's how Mormons ended up way over in Utah and Idaho, they fled there after being hung and shot every where else.

Like I mentioned, I haven't been to church for a long time, don't even consider myself Mormon, but still, that's where my roots are, and I think they are a pretty nice group of people.
Yeah, a lot of their beliefs are wacky, but it's what they believe, they have the right to believe it, I take the parts I like, and let them have the rest.

The way it's been told to me, by Mormons and non-Mormons interested in the History of Mormons, the more than one wife thing came because they were getting killed so fast. Once they were allowed to live and practice their beliefs without having a shoot-out, they lost the multiple wife thing, and the ones that wanted to keep it, formed their own sect called Jack-Mormons, but even they grew so different from the Mormons that they no longer wanted to be called Jack-Mormons, they have some totally different name now(which I never cared to learn, maybe one of you know who they are.. )
#32 Feb 19 2004 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Marytr's does not a religion make.

Just because you have been persecuted it dosen't make you claims valid, and im getting really pissed at people using it as justification. (Not mormons specificly, they don't do it much, more of a christian thing)
#33 Feb 19 2004 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
They almost seem too calm about it.

If that was in my family history, it wouldn't be just an "Oh yeah, and, we were chased and killed for many years.... then.."

I think I'd have more to say on that.
#34 Feb 19 2004 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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I did not have viral relations with that women, Miss Kornicova...

In all seriousness, with as many virus laden computers as I get to fix at various times, i can' see myself ever willingly releasing a virus for any reason.

...Ok, maybe one that targetted just macs. Maybe.


If you do that, want my work email? Smiley: jester
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