The politicization of homosexualityFollow

I don't, but then again, I haven't actually taken a firm stand yet.

Gawd, no! I design complex mazes of phone routing, prompting and hold music in which we purposefully attempt to confuse, infuriate and discourage a caller enough that they eventually hang up without bothering our highly paid and overly qualified call center reps. And I write really aweful poetry.

Only if i can drink beer and make Pancakes <Pancake day in not-so-sunny blighty>

that will calm my hernia at least

What would this readiness involve, Empyre? A series of tests, each more fiendish than the last? Reading comprehension test? Pin the tail on the donkey? How do you "prove" you are ready for marriage? I'm curious, since you so vehemently responded to the removal of emotion from the marriage equation before. Would having to garner acceptance and approval suck the passion out of marriage too?

i dont know. If I had that answer, I'd also create a test for parenthood. our country is proving time and again that we cannot handle the responsiblity (in general, not speaking for individuals) of marriage and parenthood. kids are walking the streets and selling drugs, getting pregnant and killing people at ages in the single digits, people are getting married 3 or 4 times before they even know who they are...the list goes on.

personally, I would love for there to be an approval process for both, but I certainly can't imagine anyone on this earth as having the authority or know-how to create this process. The only REAL answer is to educate people to avoid getting married until they know the other person, and not to have kids until they can provide a stable environment for them to live in.

I'm sure there is much more than that, but i like to be as brief as possible to avoid making a post longer than the organ playing the main character in Boogey Nights.

The idea of having a test to pass before you can get married or have kids is terrible! Who is to say how I do something is wrong? People who "rate" others will be bias because of their own belief systems.

If there was one way to do these then it would be simple, but it's not. People and belief systems change. I have known couples to get divorced because one suddenly found religion. Can anything prepare you for that? I doubt it.

Adults and children have a wide range of personalities and that can cause an unlimited amount of circumstances. You can't plan or prepair for everything and to think it is possible just shows stupidity or ignorence.

You can't punish the masses because of the idiots, they will always exist.

Edited, Tue Feb 24 18:51:25 2004 by rixtar

Well Jophiel I was not the one that started the sliding slope thing. I just chimed in and said we have already been and didn't get a ******* t-shirt for it.

Point that I made was let people marry who ever they want and let God sort them out. Well kinda sorta that is what I said. It's what I mean anyway. :)

No Moebius, I was pointing out the fact that a reasonable solution had already been presented and yet the only person to really comment on it was Tarv who happened to be vehemently opposed to it. Just kind of shows you that people would rather argue the same debate instead of stepping back and actually coming up with a solution that makes sense, is "more" constitutional than the current system and still keeps the "sanctity" of marriage intact. That is the same reason I guess why people only consider voting between two presidential nominees or two parties as opposed to stepping back, realizing that neither of those two parties gives jack **** about you, the rule of law or the constitution and finding another choice.

Does it really matter?

Edited, Wed Feb 25 10:51:31 2004 by Delzore

It's interesting to see how many people don't seem to hesitate for a moment in forcing their religious rules on an entire population.

It would be nice if those of you who are operating under a set of scriptural rules keep in mind many of us are not.

No, the reverse isn't also true. We are all members of society, and we need a set of societal rules that apply to everyone. These should not be based under a set of scriptural values that only a proportion of people believe in.

Pardon? I don't recall anyone saying you had to personally get into a gay marriage. What exactly is being forced upon you? "Forcing their ruleset" would be something that was restricting your liberties, like saying all houses of worship have to be closed on Federal holidays. Opening marriage to homosexuals is expanding upon everyone's liberties, whether they make use of them or not.

People are still free to go on hating gays and thumping Bibles and stuff, whether the gays are married or not.

No, you miss the point. Take homosexual marriage. Not allowing it based on religious values forces homosexuals NOT to be able to marry (have a legal uinion, whatever). Allowing it based on societal values (of equality, fairness blah blah) does not force people who disagree with it on religious grounds to only marry same sex. See the difference genius?

Edited, Wed Feb 25 12:25:58 2004 by Patrician