The Glorious Cherrabwyn wrote:
retired bored hussy??? hmm.. if you say so..
Yes, Katie, that's different than "tired board hussy" which is your coveted title.
Edited, Mon Feb 2 23:31:14 2004 by Tare
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Yes, Katie, that's different than "tired board hussy" which is your coveted title.
Edited, Mon Feb 2 23:31:14 2004 by Tare
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
The Glorious Cherrabwyn wrote:
I personally couldnt do it, I have a hard time imagining how I would explain it to my grandchildren..
Ending:
So, kids, Gramma was always known as the the "town bike" after that...
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Seriously. Didnt mean to affend you, found the board hussy part funny coming from the overly inlove freak youve become lately. On the note of the tattoo, most women I see with them, thats my first thought, and I know that is awful. "grandma got this cherry put on the inside of her thigh so no guy could pop it..", or "grandma got this tattoo on her tit to be kinky for grandpa..", or again, "grandma got this really cool faded, wrinkly sagging tatto of a beautiful rose back when I was young, not wrinkly or saggey on my arm because I appreciated the art.. ". Anyone else see a problem with these scenarios??
I remember walking down Broadway in downtown San Diego and stopping by the Church of Steel. Very nice parlor. I remember it being pretty small, very personal, and impeccably decorated... on of the things I noticed was the lack of Smash's dreaded flash plastering the walls. Definitely a tattooist's parlor. I had a pretty in depth conversation with a piercer while I was there; the same guy for all I know.
Totem, Totem, Totem. You've *********** while staring at MTV so long, you've forgotten what real people are like. Particularly the ones who don't really dig stereotypes. You're boxing up of everyone who's got a tattoo is interesting, to say the least. I wouldn't have thought you'd be the kind of guy who hated gooks, burned crosses in yards, and spraypainted ****** crackers' cars while they were on vacation in Whiteyland, but I was wrong. You're exactly the kind of person who would do these things.
Yeah, I take it that seriously.
If you care to debate the methods and merits of sterilization, please, feel free. I guarantee I know more about it from the tattoo end than you ever will, period. But hey, I've insulted personally, it's time to learn and teach. If you've got any questions about tattooing, I beg you to post them, and me (or someone just like me) will answer your questions honestly. I promise you, though, from me to you, some people do not fit your cute little stereotype. I personally would like to know exactly what put some of these ludicrous ideas in your head. I assume it was something personal, rather than a mid-40s bandwagon, because of your veracity. What gives? Something with your job, which I know to be medically related, maybe?
Totem, Totem, Totem. You've *********** while staring at MTV so long, you've forgotten what real people are like. Particularly the ones who don't really dig stereotypes. You're boxing up of everyone who's got a tattoo is interesting, to say the least. I wouldn't have thought you'd be the kind of guy who hated gooks, burned crosses in yards, and spraypainted ****** crackers' cars while they were on vacation in Whiteyland, but I was wrong. You're exactly the kind of person who would do these things.
Yeah, I take it that seriously.
If you care to debate the methods and merits of sterilization, please, feel free. I guarantee I know more about it from the tattoo end than you ever will, period. But hey, I've insulted personally, it's time to learn and teach. If you've got any questions about tattooing, I beg you to post them, and me (or someone just like me) will answer your questions honestly. I promise you, though, from me to you, some people do not fit your cute little stereotype. I personally would like to know exactly what put some of these ludicrous ideas in your head. I assume it was something personal, rather than a mid-40s bandwagon, because of your veracity. What gives? Something with your job, which I know to be medically related, maybe?
The Glorious Cherrabwyn wrote:
"grandma got this cherry put on the inside of her thigh so no guy could pop it..", or "grandma got this tattoo on her tit to be kinky for grandpa..", or again, "grandma got this really cool faded, wrinkly sagging tatto of a beautiful rose back when I was young
Hmmm...here's my problem, and I know it's not how you do things where y'all are from - my grandkids won't get to see, or hear, about parts of my body or anything on them. See? It's easy.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
lol not that grand kids should.. but you know, we are all going to get old god willing. And with age we become children again... in more ways than we would like to admit.. your daughter or grandaughter may be the one helping you out. Bathing you, changing your diapers.. Hell, I had a woman walk into my pharmacy the other day and wanted to know what she could do for her mother because her "lips" were growing together..... Dont tell me this **** doesnt happen.. I know better. As sick as it is, someone will be wiping your ***, how will you explain that tattoo to your child then??
Who the fu'ck cares at that point? And after spawning a child, raising him/her and then having grandchildren too, I plan not to explain my actions or tattoos to any damn one of 'em.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
I admit, I pre-judge people that have tattoos. While I am not going to get on their case about it, I wouldn't date anyone with a tattoo for example. Call me shallow...but I am unlikely to be compatible with the mindset that thinks tattooing in a good idea.
That's ok, Pat. Your lance is far too big for me anyway. No need to worry over a silly thing such as compatibility.
As for Totem :
This would be the point where I say "If you're going to use a French phrase to appear faddish and trendy, at least spell it correctly." Or at least I'd say that if I were having a bad day.
Which I'm not.
Merri and Angua .. I got the email. They're gorgeous. I'm still trying to find the full colored version, but damn they're pretty.
As for as taking different avenues of expression, let's not go there. I've painted, I've drawn (both badly), I've tried to write music but have no aptitude (or the fact that I'm a bit tone deaf much to the chagrin of those around me when I sing), and I write. I've done more things than I can reasonably be expected to remember at this hour, and I'm happy with that.
But I still want a tattoo. Most of my friends don't have them, so it's not like I'm trying to fit in with "my" crowd.
I just want it.
Another temptation is my own twist on the marque used in "Kushiel's Dart." That was stunning, but a little over done for me.
/offers Totem some chocolate and hopes he ends the vicious PMS cycle.
As for Totem :
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That shotgun is sounding better all the time, nes pas?
This would be the point where I say "If you're going to use a French phrase to appear faddish and trendy, at least spell it correctly." Or at least I'd say that if I were having a bad day.
Which I'm not.
Merri and Angua .. I got the email. They're gorgeous. I'm still trying to find the full colored version, but damn they're pretty.
As for as taking different avenues of expression, let's not go there. I've painted, I've drawn (both badly), I've tried to write music but have no aptitude (or the fact that I'm a bit tone deaf much to the chagrin of those around me when I sing), and I write. I've done more things than I can reasonably be expected to remember at this hour, and I'm happy with that.
But I still want a tattoo. Most of my friends don't have them, so it's not like I'm trying to fit in with "my" crowd.
I just want it.
Another temptation is my own twist on the marque used in "Kushiel's Dart." That was stunning, but a little over done for me.
/offers Totem some chocolate and hopes he ends the vicious PMS cycle.
Totem:
Here is one
Here is another
Let me know what you think :)
On the Tattoo thing, once again I find myself in the same camp as Patrician.
Here is one
Here is another
Let me know what you think :)
On the Tattoo thing, once again I find myself in the same camp as Patrician.
I look at those, and my brain thinks it can almost read them. It's like trying to read a german website underwater. wir sollen immer "lummel" sagen!!! Oh nein, der kase hat meine nase gegessed!
Just a FYI: about the only thing that would cost you a public lynching in Holland is calling us, or our language, German.
Of course this sad issue derives from WWII (yes, some uf us are still "oppressed" is one way or another by 'die kutmoffen'), yet more than 50 years later the Dutch still can't and won't be friends with our eastern neighbours.
Anyway: give it a shot, Kao. Take a paragraph and start translating. I am curious about your linguistic qualities.
Edited, Tue Feb 3 12:08:55 2004 by Goalkeeper
Of course this sad issue derives from WWII (yes, some uf us are still "oppressed" is one way or another by 'die kutmoffen'), yet more than 50 years later the Dutch still can't and won't be friends with our eastern neighbours.
Anyway: give it a shot, Kao. Take a paragraph and start translating. I am curious about your linguistic qualities.
Edited, Tue Feb 3 12:08:55 2004 by Goalkeeper
Ok, let's see if I can kick this anthill over one more time.
At the top of the order, Germans are second class Dutchmen, or more likely just criminals whose Dutch citizenship was revoked like the Aussies (only not as cool). Being Dutch is to be at the top of the food chain.
Secondly, while to those of you who tattoos are in the cool catagory, to the rest of the world it places you squarely in the Not To Be Trusted catagory. That may not matter to you. Fine. Whatever. But don't come crying to me when you don't get that job, get passed over for that promotion you desire, or the loan officer turns down your application for money, because whether you like it or not, placing ink on your body means something to the rest of the world who is not inclined to engage in aboriginal behavior. And that is what this amounts to: Tribalism. The piercing, marking, and disfigurement are all hallmarks of, "Me in this tribe, you not one of us, unk!" While that may not be what comes to mind when you see a tat, the rest of us (read bankers, bosses, etc here) see rebel, person who does not like team play, nonconformist, does not play well with others.
Scream all you want about this being a stereotype, but the fact remains this is what a tattoo or piercing signifies. Prior to this fad only blue collar sailors or members of biker gangs got tats-- both of whom were frowned upon by the rest of "respectable" society. As an analogy, think of the word "f**k." It was always the language of the undesirables, from the people who came from the wrong side of the tracks. It has become more prevalent in everyday usage, but that doesn't take away from the fact that if you say it-- especially in polite company or in a business setting--it speaks volumes about you and what type of person you are: specifically a low brow, low class individual.
Don't blame me for these perceptions. It's just the way it is.
I can go so far as to say that prior to tattooing and piercing becoming popular, that if a person were to get one it would possibly --possibly-- be a testament to their individuality or originality, because it would be done regardless the consequences. Particularly if it were visible.
But now it just reflects a vapidness of spirit, the desire to be original without the effort to actually create something original, a shortcut, if you will, to being avant gard. And that's the problem-- there are no shortcuts to being creative. It's a laborious process, and one that is intensely personal, not something which you wake up one day and think, "Huh. A tattoo is cool, not to mention highly original. I think I'll get one." That would be, to paraphrase Dr. Evil, "Creative Lite." The velvet painting of acrylic oil painting. The Mr. Bill of sculptures.
If you truly want to folow in the footsteps of someone truly creative and still be tribalistic, cut your ear off like Van Gogh. That, at least, would be modeled after someone with true vision. To get a tat is just ********
Totem
At the top of the order, Germans are second class Dutchmen, or more likely just criminals whose Dutch citizenship was revoked like the Aussies (only not as cool). Being Dutch is to be at the top of the food chain.
Secondly, while to those of you who tattoos are in the cool catagory, to the rest of the world it places you squarely in the Not To Be Trusted catagory. That may not matter to you. Fine. Whatever. But don't come crying to me when you don't get that job, get passed over for that promotion you desire, or the loan officer turns down your application for money, because whether you like it or not, placing ink on your body means something to the rest of the world who is not inclined to engage in aboriginal behavior. And that is what this amounts to: Tribalism. The piercing, marking, and disfigurement are all hallmarks of, "Me in this tribe, you not one of us, unk!" While that may not be what comes to mind when you see a tat, the rest of us (read bankers, bosses, etc here) see rebel, person who does not like team play, nonconformist, does not play well with others.
Scream all you want about this being a stereotype, but the fact remains this is what a tattoo or piercing signifies. Prior to this fad only blue collar sailors or members of biker gangs got tats-- both of whom were frowned upon by the rest of "respectable" society. As an analogy, think of the word "f**k." It was always the language of the undesirables, from the people who came from the wrong side of the tracks. It has become more prevalent in everyday usage, but that doesn't take away from the fact that if you say it-- especially in polite company or in a business setting--it speaks volumes about you and what type of person you are: specifically a low brow, low class individual.
Don't blame me for these perceptions. It's just the way it is.
I can go so far as to say that prior to tattooing and piercing becoming popular, that if a person were to get one it would possibly --possibly-- be a testament to their individuality or originality, because it would be done regardless the consequences. Particularly if it were visible.
But now it just reflects a vapidness of spirit, the desire to be original without the effort to actually create something original, a shortcut, if you will, to being avant gard. And that's the problem-- there are no shortcuts to being creative. It's a laborious process, and one that is intensely personal, not something which you wake up one day and think, "Huh. A tattoo is cool, not to mention highly original. I think I'll get one." That would be, to paraphrase Dr. Evil, "Creative Lite." The velvet painting of acrylic oil painting. The Mr. Bill of sculptures.
If you truly want to folow in the footsteps of someone truly creative and still be tribalistic, cut your ear off like Van Gogh. That, at least, would be modeled after someone with true vision. To get a tat is just ********
Totem
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Don't blame me for these perceptions. It's just the way it is.
Prolly, Flea.
With age comes wisdom. And while I am not the smartest guy on the block, nor the wisest, my perspective on permanent life choices due to my age gives me an advantage over the younger members of our studio audience. I have the luxury of seeing the effects of decisions that I and others made and are now paying the price for-- things which cannot be undone regardless how much we wish them to be.
And really, tats and peircings don't bother me, heck, I hardly even notice them on people. But mind you, it does say something about you and would impact my thoughts about you if I were to have to make a decision concerning employment, salary, dating my kids, etc.
I simply believe that if your life is so bereft of significance that a tattoo is the only way to add meaning, frenching a loaded shotgun is prolly your only option at this point. There are far far better ways to show your individuality that actually improves yourself and others. Start with volunteering. And, no, not at a tattoo parlor.
Heh.
Totem
With age comes wisdom. And while I am not the smartest guy on the block, nor the wisest, my perspective on permanent life choices due to my age gives me an advantage over the younger members of our studio audience. I have the luxury of seeing the effects of decisions that I and others made and are now paying the price for-- things which cannot be undone regardless how much we wish them to be.
And really, tats and peircings don't bother me, heck, I hardly even notice them on people. But mind you, it does say something about you and would impact my thoughts about you if I were to have to make a decision concerning employment, salary, dating my kids, etc.
I simply believe that if your life is so bereft of significance that a tattoo is the only way to add meaning, frenching a loaded shotgun is prolly your only option at this point. There are far far better ways to show your individuality that actually improves yourself and others. Start with volunteering. And, no, not at a tattoo parlor.
Heh.
Totem
Do you wear a wedding ring Totem?
Why?
It's just a sign of conformity right? Just like every other married person.
Surely if you are reduced to showing your love for your wife by a crappy ring on your finger you're better off having a threesome with a loaded shot gun and your wife, right?
No? That's different?
Why?
It's just a sign of conformity right? Just like every other married person.
Surely if you are reduced to showing your love for your wife by a crappy ring on your finger you're better off having a threesome with a loaded shot gun and your wife, right?
No? That's different?
Yes, it is a sign of conformity, Skeeter. I willingly took on that symbol of conformation to a rigid set of marital standards: fidelity, trust, unconditional love, unending devotion regardless the cost, and selflessness.
I wear it for her, not me. I wear it as a sign of respect for the vow she took that is the mirror image of my vow to her-- an unbreakable vow. And while it serves to remind me of my obligations and promise, it is more for her to see that her husband is equally committed to the work of tending to the relationship, as is her ring in the same way my visual reminder.
It is not a form of artistic expression, it is not some form of electronic dog collar which emotionally zaps me every time I'm tempted to stray off the yard, it is not an anchor to hold me in place.
It is a symbol of commitment.
Totem
I wear it for her, not me. I wear it as a sign of respect for the vow she took that is the mirror image of my vow to her-- an unbreakable vow. And while it serves to remind me of my obligations and promise, it is more for her to see that her husband is equally committed to the work of tending to the relationship, as is her ring in the same way my visual reminder.
It is not a form of artistic expression, it is not some form of electronic dog collar which emotionally zaps me every time I'm tempted to stray off the yard, it is not an anchor to hold me in place.
It is a symbol of commitment.
Totem
Your logic makes every philosopher, from Socrates to Thomas of Aquino to René Descartes to bloody Jean Paul Sarte himself, scream from agony in their grave.
I salute you.
I salute you.
Very touching Totem, but you missed what I was trying to say.
Or perhaps I missed what you were saying.
Tattoo for "art", ok, you have a good point there, but who's to say I can't get a tattoo that means something, whether it means something to me, or my family, or my heritage. I thought that's what the first tattoos were, you know, the ones a long the lines of "Mom". Was that banner with "mom" written on it made for fashion? To be cool and trendy? I think it's because he loved his mom.
I happen to be proud of my heritage, and wouldn't mind having a "symbol" of my pride tattooed on me.
Whether it ends up somewhere hidden, or somewhere readily visible doesn't really matter to me.
Kind of like the wedding ring I had picked out for me.
Platinum band with yellow gold lining the inside. Going to cost a little bit more to have it made that way, almost nobody will know that it's even there. It's just something that I discussed with Flea, and something I feel like doing.
So, the Tattoo's my highschool buddies got years ago=pretty dumb
but, I also believe a well thought out tattoo can have great meaning, and not just be something to keep with the fad.
Or perhaps I missed what you were saying.
Tattoo for "art", ok, you have a good point there, but who's to say I can't get a tattoo that means something, whether it means something to me, or my family, or my heritage. I thought that's what the first tattoos were, you know, the ones a long the lines of "Mom". Was that banner with "mom" written on it made for fashion? To be cool and trendy? I think it's because he loved his mom.
I happen to be proud of my heritage, and wouldn't mind having a "symbol" of my pride tattooed on me.
Whether it ends up somewhere hidden, or somewhere readily visible doesn't really matter to me.
Kind of like the wedding ring I had picked out for me.
Platinum band with yellow gold lining the inside. Going to cost a little bit more to have it made that way, almost nobody will know that it's even there. It's just something that I discussed with Flea, and something I feel like doing.
So, the Tattoo's my highschool buddies got years ago=pretty dumb
but, I also believe a well thought out tattoo can have great meaning, and not just be something to keep with the fad.
GoalKeeper, after you did a Google search for philosophers, did you check each name to make sure they were dead, or did you do a google search for dead philosophers?
Could you explain to me why you say that?
I like to consider myself pretty open minded. I've admitted I'm not a reader(yet) I'll also admit I'm not familiar with some of those philosophers.
I thought my post made perfect sense, but I guess that's a given, since I posted it.
Could you explain to me why you say that?
I like to consider myself pretty open minded. I've admitted I'm not a reader(yet) I'll also admit I'm not familiar with some of those philosophers.
I thought my post made perfect sense, but I guess that's a given, since I posted it.
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things which cannot be undone regardless how much we wish them to be.
No, I got your point entirely, Skeeter.
My wedding band is a symbol which has a long and rich history of meaning something. The gold band is not something which has recently taken hold of the young public's imagination. It is not something that in twenty years-- assuming you are still married happily --you will regret getting. It is not something which is used to describe my individuality.
If anything, it is the opposite of a tattoo. It marks the wearer as half of a union of two individuals into one being; it marks the wearer as someone no longer available for compatability to others; it marks the individual as having accepted a certain standard of behaviors and rituals that are Time honored.
I don't wear my wedding band to celebrate me, I wear it to celebrate her. That is the distinct difference that a tattoo does, which a ring does not.
If you choose to take pride in your heritage, your mother, your anything by getting a tattoo, that is a whole different issue. I'd take sides with you on it by saying there are other ways to more effectively and concretely show pride than getting a tattoo, but hey, it's your choice.
Totem
My wedding band is a symbol which has a long and rich history of meaning something. The gold band is not something which has recently taken hold of the young public's imagination. It is not something that in twenty years-- assuming you are still married happily --you will regret getting. It is not something which is used to describe my individuality.
If anything, it is the opposite of a tattoo. It marks the wearer as half of a union of two individuals into one being; it marks the wearer as someone no longer available for compatability to others; it marks the individual as having accepted a certain standard of behaviors and rituals that are Time honored.
I don't wear my wedding band to celebrate me, I wear it to celebrate her. That is the distinct difference that a tattoo does, which a ring does not.
If you choose to take pride in your heritage, your mother, your anything by getting a tattoo, that is a whole different issue. I'd take sides with you on it by saying there are other ways to more effectively and concretely show pride than getting a tattoo, but hey, it's your choice.
Totem
Not entirely, Flea. At least, not usually.
Totem
Totem
Ok, I get ya.
My problem is, I'm full of "what if"s. No matter how logically something is explained to me, my brain will ask itself "but... what if this....?" And that's where we get wedding bands and threesomes with shotguns. It's just the way I am I guess. I've never been able to settle with just answer, or one way to reach an answer. Many times I got bad grades in Math because I didn't use the "formula" for getting the answer. The answer was correct, but just the fact that I didn't use the formula the book tells me to use made it wrong. I never liked that. Never will. Only true things that are black and white are the colors, and even they have hints of grey in them if you look close enough.
My problem is, I'm full of "what if"s. No matter how logically something is explained to me, my brain will ask itself "but... what if this....?" And that's where we get wedding bands and threesomes with shotguns. It's just the way I am I guess. I've never been able to settle with just answer, or one way to reach an answer. Many times I got bad grades in Math because I didn't use the "formula" for getting the answer. The answer was correct, but just the fact that I didn't use the formula the book tells me to use made it wrong. I never liked that. Never will. Only true things that are black and white are the colors, and even they have hints of grey in them if you look close enough.
Goalkeeper wrote:
Anyway: give it a shot, Kao. Take a paragraph and start translating. I am curious about your linguistic qualities.
I'm guessing I butchered the translation here pretty badly. I haven't made an effort to rewrite it. Just translating the words as I guess them. I didn't use any dictionaries this time, so if I butchered a word or phrase, it's my own fault.
Origional (I took 2 paragraphs)
Van het grote doel, deelname aan de Olympische Spelen van Athene, hebben de nationale hockeydames zich al verzekerd. Toch staat er in de aanloop naar 's werelds grootste sportevenement nog een uiterst prestigieus toernooi op het hockeyprogramma. Vanaf 29 november strijdt de brigade van bondscoach Marc Lammers in Sydney namelijk om de Champions Trophy.
Dat de plaatsing voor de Spelen al in een eerder stadium werd afgedwongen, is voor de bondscoach een geschenk uit de hemel. Het gewonnen EK bespaarde Oranje niet alleen een zwaar kwalificatietoernooi in Nieuw-Zeeland; Lammers kan op het Sydney Olympic Park het spel van zijn ploeg verder polijsten en het team in relatieve rust uit laten groeien tot een nog sterker collectief.
My translation (such as it is)
When it’s a big deal, the Olympics playing in Athens, Having the the National Ladies hocky team are all (Crazy? Excited? ). To play in the (aanloop=field? ) at the worlds greatest sporting event is a very prestigious tournament of the hocky program. On 29 November plays the Brigade of head coach Mark Lammers in Sydney for (at? Over?) the Champions trophy
The strategy for the gameplay in either stadium is was (afgedwongen? No clue.) is for the head coach a game of the mind, Having won the EK sparred with Orange in a qualification match in new Zealand, Coach Lanners can at the Sydney Olympic Park had played for a better position relative to the rest of something to another steller collection?
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