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#52 Feb 02 2004 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Bullsh1t.

I'm calling the two of you on this.

Oh really, you are getting a tattoo for you, huh? It's not because it's something fashionable, is it? It's not for any reasons outside of a heartfelt and deep emotional need to somehow outwardly display an inner aspect of your personality, right?

<cough>Bullsh1t<cough>

That explains why it's become recently popular, doesn't it? Prior to this illumnated generation nobody had a manner of expressing themselves apparently. <rollseyes> It also explains why like Smash said all these yearning artistes pick flash book tats, because, after all, it means something to them.

ROFLMAO.

You'd have so much more integrity in my eyes if you'd simply admitted you prefer to be trendy and faddish. So what's next for you two visionary emotionalists? Self multilation when that becomes the "in thing?" Puh-lease. As your mother undoubtedly told you, if your friends jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge, does that mean you do it too?

I guess for you individualists (snort!) the answer would be, "Yes! In a New York minute!"

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#53 Feb 02 2004 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I would agree with you, Totem (for the most part), with the exception that in my case I really don't have tattoos "for" anyone else. I do not show them off at work, I don't show them off outside of work and very few of my bridge-jumping friends have them. So, where's the trendy part? I think that a lot of people get tattoos because they are popular and trendy but that doesn't mean we all do. It actually is possible to get a tattoo because you have an appreciation of such things. I put a lot of thought into what I wanted and had a close friend do them for me. I got them because I loved the art and I wanted something lasting on my body. End o' trendy story.It's all the jack-asses with belly rings and barbed wire around their biceps that you should be doggin'.
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#54 Feb 02 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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As your mother undoubtedly told you, if your friends jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge, does that mean you do it too?

What are we now, six? I hate to break it to you, Totem, but the rebel nonconformist attitude also had its heydey and is now a passť fad, grunge, the hippies, it's all come and gone and will come again. Everything's been done before, in an endless repetitive cycle. No one is unique, there are no unique thoughts. That doesn't mean we all sit in a room with our hands tied and our eyes shut and never breakdancepolevaulthopscotchlistentopinkfloyd just because someone's done it before, and it's now somehow less valuable as a pursuit. If you enjoy it, who cares why?
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#55 Feb 02 2004 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriously dude, calm down. None of my many tats I got because it was "cool" to get them. I never got them when I was too drunk to find the ship in Australia like many of my friends and shipmates, I got them for Me. The two on my arms, they are my design and ARE me, both my aspects. My half-back, is a dedication to my grandfather and the ship he served and died proudly on in WW2. Every single one I have means something to me, something that I will always remember. And I love showing them off, and explaining why they are there. Stop raining on other people's parades.




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#56 Feb 02 2004 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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I'm doggin' anybody that gets a tattoo. If artistic expression is what you are after, take a painting class. At least then the work would be your own rather than someone else doing the work.

It's like going to Rembrandt and saying paint me a picture of this dragon or scantily clad lady and then going out and boasting to everybody that it's the product of your artistry. The only difference is if Rembrandt actually inked you, it'd be worth something. Instead you have some ex-con zapping ink under your skin exposing you to HIV, hepatitis, and flesh eating bacteria.

Face it. To get a tattoo is to demonstrate the shallowness of your life. If this is what it takes to make something of your life, why spare the rest of us the details? Just go mouth a loaded shotgun and tattoo the bedroom wall with your brain. At least then the homicide detectives who investigate can take pictures of it and have a good rendition of your "artistry."

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#57 Feb 02 2004 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, speaking of dragons, who woke Totem up?

That's just it, Totem. I am not walking around proclaiming the tattoos as an expression of my artistry. I'm not doing anything with them, except enjoying them myself. I enjoy other people's painting and music, and when I download a song to my computer, I don't then proclaim that it is mine. There are people that do things like that, and maybe they should take a shotgun to themselves. I just don't understand how what I have on my body, my personal property, has to do with what I've made of my life. What if I have a big, hairy birthmark on my ***? Relegated to taking drive-thru orders for the rest of my life?



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#58 Feb 02 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm. Bored Totem? I suppose it has been awhile since you've trolled.

How many tattoos do you have Totem? I don't remember.

Anyhow.

I've always told myself that if I ever saw a Myan design that called out to me, I'd get it, very small, somewhere not often seen by people other than flea and myself. My mom used to read books about the Myans to me, and tell me about certain things she did back home in Honduras as a kid that was what Myan kids used to do as well, or close to it.

Been many years, and nothing has called out my name yet. But I wouldn't hesitate to get one should it ever present itself. However 'fad-like' it may be.

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#59 Feb 02 2004 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow dude, a little stereotypical here? How much do you actually know about slinging ink? Next to nothing it looks like. Safety is a major factor in almost every parlor. Of course there are the dirty run-down places, but there are dirty run-down hospitals too. Just to get a licence in California you have to have gone through an advanced sterilization course at a university, and have proof. Many tattoo artists actually went to art school to do what they love, art. A tattoo is one of the ultimate expressions of art, in my opinion, because it is something that you will always have with you. Now granted, not everybody is like myself and go out of their way to find a good place and study up on the subject, but it is still the idea. Tattoos have always been there to express something, either affiliation with one organization or another, to the African ash tattoos proclaming a man.
Maybe you should read up on the subject, might learn a thing or two.
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#60 Feb 02 2004 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha, good job Totem, they fell for it.

Now, come on, tell them how many tats you got back in 'nam.

One for every charlie right?
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#61 Feb 02 2004 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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The proud owner of a pebble grained finish on his noggin from his annual ritual stoning in Mecca

You fanboy, like you don't show off your dimpled head. Getting stoned at Mecca is what everybody does.
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#62 Feb 02 2004 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Overlord Antima wrote:
How much do you actually know about slinging ink?


I just want to state for the record that I have nothing to do with "slinging ink". Smiley: laugh

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#63 Feb 02 2004 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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No tats, I collected ears instead.

First and foremost, tattoo parlors are not the hermetically-sealed-sealed-for-your-protection experiences that Antima would have you believe they are. If anything, they are precisely like those toilets in the Motel 6 that the maid just slips that confidence inspiring piece of paper so that you feel safe while plopping your fat a$$ down on somebody else's **** and peeing.

Yeah, and you guys thought that was a carpet fiber. <rollseyes>

I will say it again: Tattoos are a weak expression of your individuality. Deny it all you want, but getting a tattoo in this day and age is nothing more than trendy me-tooism. Pure and simple.

If bad private art is what you want, go buy a velvet Elvis painting, hide it in your closet, and go and look at it once in a while. I suspect you'll enjoy The King for alot longer than you will that artwork put on your skin. At least when the time comes, you can always throw the Elvis away. You can't say the same thing about your tattoo.

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#64 Feb 02 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
If bad private art is what you want, go buy a velvet Elvis painting, hide it in your closet, and go and look at it once in a while.


Hide it in my closet? Huh? Any art that is even partially velvet would be displayed proudly in my home. Actually, I saw a velvet-Elvis painting in a bar once. Except he looked more like the Mexican version of Elvis. Tequila!

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#65 Feb 02 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Acutally, Totem, any parlor worth their ink in the US *IS* like that. There are alot of dives out there, but you would have to be pretty dumb to go there.
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#66 Feb 02 2004 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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Sure, if they were worth their ink, but that's exactly the problem. Tattoo parlors are, by-and-large, places where ex-cons who like to draw go to get work. And having a former criminal say that he used (or even owns) the autoclave before he inked you carries as much weight as him telling the parole board he has learned his lesson and wants to become a productive member of society now.

Riiiiight.

Look, if you get a tattoo on yourself, what do I care? I even once gave it consideration, but fortunately came to my senses/got a hangover before I actually did it.

The reality of all this is you have no idea if the guy cleaned his equipment or not before he stuck you. It's an article of faith that he did, but unless you actually saw him autoclave the needle, ink pots, and disinfect his hands-- and not by just washing them with soap and water either --you must assume he and all his equipment is dirty. The risk is too great not to. And the reality is you are not going to see him do this.

These are practical concerns and have nothing to do with the psychology behind even wanting something which has only recently been socially acceptable. If you want to be a rebel then go against the grain and take a painting class. The idea of actually improving yourself is so freakishly weird that all your n'er-do-well friends will soon ostrasize you and you'll be even lonelier than before.

That shotgun is sounding better all the time, nes pas?

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#67 Feb 02 2004 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Like I said before, if you go out and get inked at a place where you DON'T see any of this happen is just dumb. Here in San Diego I go to a place called Church of Steel. It's great, and very clean. The two guys that run the place (An inker and a piercer) are **** good artists and very professional about their work. The sterilizer is sitting on the counter, along with all the tools they use, and they make sure you watch as they use them.

Anyway, I'm tired of ranting, you obviously don't want to listen, and you more than likely don't care anyway. The point is, instead of trying to scare people into not doing something that they have an interest in, shut up or at least try to educate them, as I was doing. I have never had a problem with any of my tats, nor do I forsee any in the future.
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#68 Feb 02 2004 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
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You see, Antima, you are living in the Never-never Land where all the ex-cons, errr, inkers of the world are genuinely concerned for the health and well being of their customers. While your experience may be a valid one, you continue to ignore that that is the exception to the rule. The typical parlor has the equipment and may very well use it, but you have no way of verifying that. Sure, you could demand that they do it in front of you, but that implicitly means you are engaging in risky behavior.

Chewing on light bulbs probably has a lower risk factor for long term health consequences than does tattooing. And again, that speaks only to the practical issues of health, not the empirical issues of artistic taste.

If it is not something to be proud of, then why bother to hide it where no one can see it?
Answer: It's socially unacceptable to tattoo yourself. And if you have such a need to be a so-called non-conformist, then getting a tattoo is about the most conformist way to be non-conformist you can achieve. So what's the point of getting one? You end up being the inked version of the typical Harley rider who rides on weekends and wears black fringy a$$less chaps and has a HD sticker in the back window of his Civic. It's just stupid.

Am I the only one here bright enough to see the logic and truth behind this reasoning? Or are you all a bunch of Stepford wives who believe that popular culture is the end-all to every question?

Sheesh.

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#69 Feb 02 2004 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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#70 Feb 02 2004 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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De vis slikt de haak, lijn, en zinklood. Het zal buigtang nemen om hen weg te gaan.

How ya doing, Goal? It's been a long time since I chatted with you.

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#71 Feb 02 2004 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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Bwahaha. Here you see the Dutch version of "owned".
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#72 Feb 02 2004 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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Gimme a link to your work, I'd like to see it!

Nothing much here, just picking up the usual idiots who don't know when to stay inside and go out and crash their cars. I'm a little grouchy today, if you can't tell from the general tone of all my posts. I need a vacation badly.

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#73 Feb 02 2004 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, I give up. I'm tired of fighting and I've had a ***** of a day here at work. I usually hate to argue like this.

Yeah, you are right Totem, I already said that. Most parlors are places I wouldn't let my dog crap in, let alone get a tat there. And I never ignored that I was an exception to any rule. I was smart about what I did. It is risky business to get a tat, it's also risky business to let a doc cut you open so he can fix your heart/knee/brain/whatever. But people do it anyway, and only a fool is ashamed of doing it, an idiot of doing it twice. I'm proud of my tats and I enjoy showing them to people, the artwork is excellent.
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#74 Feb 02 2004 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Im sure this has been said before, but when you get your first one, you'll always want more. My first one was about 4 years ago, and ever since then ive been planning my next one. I hope to finally have a good idea of what I want soon. <grins evily>
#75 Feb 02 2004 at 8:44 PM Rating: Default
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I personally couldnt do it, I have a hard time imagining how I would explain it to my grandchildren..
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#76 Feb 02 2004 at 8:47 PM Rating: Default
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retired bored hussy??? hmm.. if you say so..
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