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#702 Mar 12 2016 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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I want updates from Poldaran about these things he posted. Was it actually that guy in that picture? Was he punching the guy out of anger or self defence? Who knows. Poldaran just hits us with these dubious stoeries and a 'pinch of salt' message and then, having blown his load, he's gone for good.
Things randomly show up on my feed. If updates show up, I'll tell you. Otherwise, I don't really care enough to do any actual research.

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I have no knowledge of the event whatsoever, but it honestly looks like the black guy is ducking away from the white guy attacking him. Who punches while leaning backwards? Aside from men with handlebar mustaches in horizontal stripped full body swimwear.
It looks to me like the guy shoved him and he swung at him. So at worst, it's likely he's escalating.
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A guy shoved me once, I wiped out his whole species.

This was some time ago, mind you.
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#704 Mar 12 2016 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I got shoved once...

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I have no knowledge of the event whatsoever, but it honestly looks like the black guy is ducking away from the white guy attacking him. Who punches while leaning backwards? Aside from men with handlebar mustaches in horizontal stripped full body swimwear.


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#707 Mar 12 2016 at 2:25 PM Rating: Default
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Ha, I'm seeing HRC ads on Zam! I didn't know that Zam was supporting wall street and the establishment!!!Smiley: rolleyes
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#709 Mar 12 2016 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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#710 Mar 12 2016 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Irrelevant. The question is whether there's a difference between someone's actions being perceived by a third party as "being racist" and whether that someone has admitted to being a racist. There's a massive world of difference between those two.


Can a person act out of racism and not be racist?


1. A person's actions may appear to be racism to you, but not to them.

2. If the person does not believe their actions are racism, then they don't view themselves as racists.

3. If they don't view themselves as racists, then they are not going to "admit" to being racists.

By labeling them "admitted racists", you're bypassing that entire very important bit of distinction.

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Here is me saying that the intent of the action is irrelevant because the outcome is still the same.


If you really thought it was irrelevant, then you wouldn't have called them "admitted racists". Racism is entirely about the intent behind the action. If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism (or any "ism"). If I intentionally target one group for harm based on their race, then that's racial discrimination. If my reason for doing this is because I believe that my race is better that theirs, and thus they're deserving of harm for whatever reason, then it is racism. But you can't have racism without intent. You know this. It's why you needed to use that label, in fact. Even if you aren't consciously aware of it, that's what you were doing.

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You basically saw a couple of buzz words and created a strawman to argue. Now you're trying to back peddle to say that the contradiction was focused on the cops being racists AFTER you just said that you couldn't read minds. Funny how your mind reading skills work!


No. I saw you respond to one person making a statement of opinion about the cops, with your own statement that the cops had admitted that said opinion was true. It's like the difference between me saying that the Patriots cheat, and you saying that Belichek is an admitted cheater. One is me stating my opinion. The other is you claiming that the opinion has been confirmed by the party the opinion is about. That's a *huge* difference.
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#711 Mar 12 2016 at 4:09 PM Rating: Default
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Gbaji wrote:
1. A person's actions may appear to be racism to you, but not to them.

2. If the person does not believe their actions are racism, then they don't view themselves as racists.

3. If they don't view themselves as racists, then they are not going to "admit" to being racists.

By labeling them "admitted racists", you're bypassing that entire very important bit of distinction.
Fortunately, we have dictionaries where defined words trump personal interpretation. The Kl@n doesn't think they are racist either. So I ask again. Can a person act out of racism and not be racist?


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If you really thought it was irrelevant, then you wouldn't have called them "admitted racists"
Demea called them racist, not me. See above. I literally said that their actions could have been a coincidence. How does your perception outweigh my actual text? Didn't you say you weren't a mind reader? Which one is it?

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No. I saw you respond to one person making a statement of opinion about the cops, with your own statement that the cops had admitted that said opinion was true. It's like the difference between me saying that the Patriots cheat, and you saying that Belichek is an admitted cheater. One is me stating my opinion. The other is you claiming that the opinion has been confirmed by the party the opinion is about. That's a *huge* difference.
A better analogy would be if I were to argue that the DNC candidates are fighters. Person B says that Sen. Sanders is nothing but a big quitter. Then I respond with "So YOU ARE saying that the admitted quitter is staying in the race till the convention? Then you come in accusing me of accusing Sen. Sanders as being an "admitted quitter" as opposed to acknowledging the direct contradiction given the entire context of the conversation you chose to ignore.

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In one only-in-Chicago insult, a protester carried a sign reading, 'Trump puts ketchup on his hot dog.'
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#714 Mar 12 2016 at 5:11 PM Rating: Default
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Hillary won the Northern Mariana Islands caucus today. A whopping 4 delegates.
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Edit: I'm a slave to humor, so I'm going to make this joke. Breaking News: Hillary endorses Donald Trump.

Sadly, I think this woman actually means it.
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#717 Mar 12 2016 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like Cruz cleaned up in Wyoming, and Ohio ruled that 17 year olds can throw away their votes in the primary if their birthdays are before the general election.

And Rubio takes DC.

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I think they proposed the same law in Illinois a few years back. Didn't affect me personally so I never bothered to find out if it passed or not.
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#719 Mar 12 2016 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
1. A person's actions may appear to be racism to you, but not to them.

2. If the person does not believe their actions are racism, then they don't view themselves as racists.

3. If they don't view themselves as racists, then they are not going to "admit" to being racists.

By labeling them "admitted racists", you're bypassing that entire very important bit of distinction.
ITT: We learn gbaji is not an "admitted racist".

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If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism.
Please outline an scenario where that could happen. Really; do that.

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15... "Harm a black guy". That's six times in a row. Weird.
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#721 Mar 13 2016 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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Hey Joph, since it's out your way it seems more likely that you'll hear something concrete. But I'm hearing people say that a black Trump supporter in Chicago was found shot by protestors. The only news reports I can find are from places like "Christian Times Newspaper", "The Conservative Treehouse" and "Free Republic" so I'm fairly skeptical at the moment.
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How is one "found" dead where you know how and why and by whose hand they died? It's not as though political activism is the leading cause of death in the city.
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#723 Mar 13 2016 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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How is one "found" dead where you know how and why and by whose hand they died? It's not as though political activism is the leading cause of death in the city.
I dunno. Lazy headline writing?

Or this, supposedly.
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Terry says that two signs were also found next to Bullock’s body. One read, “Stop The Racist Trump.” The other was marked with, “Donald Trump = KKK.”
Still haven't found anything from a news source I consider remotely reliable. Not that I consider any media source very reliable these days, but I'd be slightly less skeptical if it were from a local Chicago affiliate or CNN or something. Even Fox News reporting on it would be better than these weird *** rags I've never heard of.
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Nothing about it in the Chicago Tribune's reporting of weekend shootings.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-86185641/

Seems as though for the amount of detail available in your article, it would have been picked up by legitimate media screen if they didn't offer a motive. No thirty-seven year olds from Evanston found dead in the city. Weird that the article doesn't say where he died, even a neighborhood or street. Not to play Reddit detective, but I'm not sure about the artsy photo that conveniently blurs out the squad car number either. For that matter, I'm trying to figure out how the words on the bottom can read "Chicago Police".

Edited, Mar 13th 2016 5:21am by Jophiel
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#725 Mar 13 2016 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
For that matter, I'm trying to figure out how the words on the bottom can read "Chicago Police".


Not to say that the image or story is true, or not heavily doctored or distorted, but I think if you were to "Mirror" the image you could see "CHICAGO POLICE" made out in blurred text.

Original

MIrrored

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Comparing to some real images of known Chicago Police vehicles, the patterns would seem to match.

Edited, Mar 13th 2016 6:57am by TirithRR
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#726 Mar 13 2016 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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Nothing about it in the Chicago Tribune's reporting of weekend shootings.
Yeah, if I haven't heard anything more substantial by noon, I'm writing it off as a kook story.
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