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I'll have to take your word for it as I've never used one. The last thing I need is a bunch of lazy *** ducks following me around begging for a hand out.

This was the first I'd heard of this, so I had to google it. Sounds like this guy in Denver, CO refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds. Said he'd make birthday, shower, whatever cakes for them, just not wedding cakes as he believed marriage is between a man and a woman. The ACLU sued on the couple's behalf (I have no idea how that works, if they initiated or what, or if the ACLU can just say, "We're doing this for you whether you like it or not.") and got a judge to say that he had to start baking cakes for same-sex weddings.

A couple source links.

On the one hand, this seems wrong to me to force him to bake a cake for anyone. I thought business owners could decide who they did business with? On the other hand, there are laws in place to keep companies from discriminating based solely on things like race, religion, etc. So if it's ok for this guy to automatically say no to a gay couple, then that opens the door to places refusing to serve interracial couples, etc. The judge made the point that this guy refused based solely on the fact that this was a gay couple, and not on what they actually wanted on the cake. The judge said that if they asked for him to bake something and decorate it in a way that violated his beliefs (Like... I dunno, actual **** to **** penetration?) then he could've refused, but he didn't even wait to hear what he couple wanted. Just said, "Nope, don't do wedding cakes for gays, sorry."

I do find it interesting that he would do a wedding cake for two dogs that an owner wanted to "marry." I suppose so long as they are a male and female dog, that's ok?

ETA: He was not forced to shut down. He was ordered to bake cakes for gay couples or face a fine.

Edited, Dec 20th 2013 4:17pm by Belkira

Is he talking about the Denver one? And here I thought it was the Portland one, go figure...

Yeah, it's like this years thing or something it seems. Every town has to have one.

ETA: Fox News source

They actually had a healthy boost in sales for a time just following the story breaking like, what was it, a year or two ago now? But once that died off you were back to having a marginal business, which now had people who didn't like them of course. They finally tossed in the towel earlier this year.

Edited, Dec 20th 2013 2:28pm by someproteinguy

That's part of my point. I didn't even know the guy existed, but watching a few seconds of clips during news broadcasts, I was not surprised. Either you watch the show and you already know, you seen a clip and assumed it or completely clueless.



I wanted to post that on my Facebook, but didn't think many people would make that connection or know who Bashir is/was.

The more apt analogy would be that you went into a Jewish deli and they refused to serve you at all because you weren't Jewish.

If they did have ham, they couldn't refuse to sell it to you just because you're wearing your "Kiss me, I'm a shicksa" t-shirt.

ETA: dammit, Belki.

Edited, Dec 20th 2013 2:56pm by Samira

And I'd be fine with that.

What if you couldn't buy food anywhere because you were you. Also fine? What if you could only buy potatoes? What if your kids couldn't go to a school because you were you. Also fine? Starting to see the point, yet? Legislation requires lines to be drawn, basically always arbitrarily. Finding examples that seem superficially silly, like the cake baking, is trivial with basically all laws. Codifying a "more sensible' limit to exclude the trivial but include the important is incredibly hard.

Still fine, because I don't see it as working that way. My point is public verses private. I'm against discrimination in all things public. Separate fountains, schools, back of the bus, gays not being allowed to marry and all that bullsh*t is certainly wrong, however, I see nothing wrong with a Black man opening a "Blacks Only" night club, or a Jewish person opening a deli that only caters to the Jewish community.

I get your point, but I don't think it's an all or nothing World. We;re right back to no group can have a sense of identity for fear of offending a different group. I know my view isn't popular, but I honestly don't see it as discrimination. I see it as allowing folks to embrace their own culture.

Did the entire history of the Jim Crow south just not register on your consciousness? It's not just a movie trope.

I believe I stated I was against such. Imma hafta devote some thinking to this, as I'm confused as to how an all black night club is bad, but an all black college is cool. Selective discrimination already exists.