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#77 Dec 20 2013 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure this won't impact sales of their (as I may have previously noted really awesome) duck calls.


I'll have to take your word for it as I've never used one. The last thing I need is a bunch of lazy *** ducks following me around begging for a hand out.
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#81 Dec 20 2013 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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oldhillbilly wrote:
Wasn't a bakery just forced to shut down because they refused to make a homosexual wedding cake?
They weren't "forced" to shut down, per se. But when your customers stop buying your stuff it's kinda hard to stay in business.
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#84 Dec 20 2013 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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Wasn't a bakery just forced to shut down because they refused to make a homosexual wedding cake?


This was the first I'd heard of this, so I had to google it. Sounds like this guy in Denver, CO refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds. Said he'd make birthday, shower, whatever cakes for them, just not wedding cakes as he believed marriage is between a man and a woman. The ACLU sued on the couple's behalf (I have no idea how that works, if they initiated or what, or if the ACLU can just say, "We're doing this for you whether you like it or not.") and got a judge to say that he had to start baking cakes for same-sex weddings.

A couple source links.

On the one hand, this seems wrong to me to force him to bake a cake for anyone. I thought business owners could decide who they did business with? On the other hand, there are laws in place to keep companies from discriminating based solely on things like race, religion, etc. So if it's ok for this guy to automatically say no to a gay couple, then that opens the door to places refusing to serve interracial couples, etc. The judge made the point that this guy refused based solely on the fact that this was a gay couple, and not on what they actually wanted on the cake. The judge said that if they asked for him to bake something and decorate it in a way that violated his beliefs (Like... I dunno, actual **** to **** penetration?) then he could've refused, but he didn't even wait to hear what he couple wanted. Just said, "Nope, don't do wedding cakes for gays, sorry."

I do find it interesting that he would do a wedding cake for two dogs that an owner wanted to "marry." I suppose so long as they are a male and female dog, that's ok?

ETA: He was not forced to shut down. He was ordered to bake cakes for gay couples or face a fine.

Edited, Dec 20th 2013 4:17pm by Belkira
#85 Dec 20 2013 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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oldhillbilly wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
oldhillbilly wrote:
Wasn't a bakery just forced to shut down because they refused to make a homosexual wedding cake?
They weren't "forced" to shut down, per se. But when your customers stop buying your stuff it's kinda hard to stay in business.
No they were forced to shut down in the face of lawsuits by homosexuals upset at them.
You gotta stop viewing that mainstream media dude. Smiley: oyvey

Not like business was ever that great for them to begin with anyway, and it drop like a rock afterward all their bible thumper supporters got bored and moved on to other things.
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#86 Dec 20 2013 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
This was the first I'd heard of this, so I had to google it. Sounds like this guy in Denver, CO refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds.
Is he talking about the Denver one? And here I thought it was the Portland one, go figure... Smiley: oyvey
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#87 Dec 20 2013 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
someproteinguy wrote:
Belkira wrote:
This was the first I'd heard of this, so I had to google it. Sounds like this guy in Denver, CO refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds.
Is he talking about the Denver one? And here I thought it was the Portland one, go figure... Smiley: oyvey


There was another one...? Smiley: lol
#88 Dec 20 2013 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Belkira wrote:
This was the first I'd heard of this, so I had to google it. Sounds like this guy in Denver, CO refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds.
Is he talking about the Denver one? And here I thought it was the Portland one, go figure... Smiley: oyvey


There was another one...? Smiley: lol
Yeah, it's like this years thing or something it seems. Every town has to have one. Smiley: lol

ETA: Fox News source

They actually had a healthy boost in sales for a time just following the story breaking like, what was it, a year or two ago now? But once that died off you were back to having a marginal business, which now had people who didn't like them of course. They finally tossed in the towel earlier this year. Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Dec 20th 2013 2:28pm by someproteinguy
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#89 Dec 20 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Or how about liberals using the derogatory term "teabaggers" to describe their political opponents? That's ok and acceptable, even for the president. But call the president a house N***** and watch how quickly you're crucified.

Hi Varus, still angry and racist?
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I don't think anyone needed to read that article in order to know his beliefs. So, if anyone had a problem with A&E showing Mr. Duck guy, it would have been a long time ago.

If they're anything like me, they've spent zero seconds thinking about his beliefs before this event.


That's part of my point. I didn't even know the guy existed, but watching a few seconds of clips during news broadcasts, I was not surprised. Either you watch the show and you already know, you seen a clip and assumed it or completely clueless.

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Someone elsewhere (probably many someones) were having fun with Sarah Palin calling that MSNBC guy evil and despicable and her PAC demanding he be fired, but this Duck guy getting suspended is "an attack on free speech".


I wanted to post that on my Facebook, but didn't think many people would make that connection or know who Bashir is/was.
#91 Dec 20 2013 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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ETA: He was not forced to shut down. He was ordered to bake cakes for gay couples or face a fine.


My gut reaction is this just seems wrong to me. I don't understand the modern "We must all be the same, all be assimilated, one size fits all, welcome to the Borg" mentality.

I wouldn't go into a Jewish deli and DEMAND they serve me a ham sandwich. Why couldn't I just go somewhere else? Why couldn't they just get someone else to make their cake? It just seems that taking another's freedom to impose your own view is beyond asinine. There's all this talk about celebrate diversity and yet, it seems like there's a war on being different.

Whatever happened to live and let live?


Edited, Dec 20th 2013 5:45pm by CoalHeart
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#92 Dec 20 2013 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:


ETA: He was not forced to shut down. He was ordered to bake cakes for gay couples or face a fine.


My gut reaction is this just seems wrong to me. I don't understand the modern "We must all be the same, all be assimilated, one size fits all, welcome to the Borg" mentality.

I wouldn't go into a Jewish deli and DEMAND they serve me a ham sandwich. Why couldn't I just go somewhere else? Why couldn't they just get someone else to make their cake? It just seems that taking another's freedom to impose your own view is beyond asinine. There's all this talk about celebrate diversity and yet, it seems like there's a war on being different.

Whatever happened to live and let live?


Edited, Dec 20th 2013 5:45pm by CoalHeart


The more apt analogy would be that you went into a Jewish deli and they refused to serve you at all because you weren't Jewish.
#93 Dec 20 2013 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Whatever happened to live and let live?
There's no money in it.
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#94 Dec 20 2013 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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CoalHeart wrote:
Belkira wrote:


ETA: He was not forced to shut down. He was ordered to bake cakes for gay couples or face a fine.


My gut reaction is this just seems wrong to me. I don't understand the modern "We must all be the same, all be assimilated, one size fits all, welcome to the Borg" mentality.

I wouldn't go into a Jewish deli and DEMAND they serve me a ham sandwich. Why couldn't I just go somewhere else? Why couldn't they just get someone else to make their cake? It just seems that taking another's freedom to impose your own view is beyond asinine. There's all this talk about celebrate diversity and yet, it seems like there's a war on being different.

Whatever happened to live and let live?


Edited, Dec 20th 2013 5:45pm by CoalHeart


If they did have ham, they couldn't refuse to sell it to you just because you're wearing your "Kiss me, I'm a shicksa" t-shirt.

ETA: dammit, Belki. Smiley: banghead

Edited, Dec 20th 2013 2:56pm by Samira
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#95 Dec 20 2013 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:


The more apt analogy would be that you went into a Jewish deli and they refused to serve you at all because you weren't Jewish.


And I'd be fine with that. I haven't been invited to any Kwanzaa parties either, but I ain't butthurt and crying to the ACLU about it.
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#96 Dec 20 2013 at 5:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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And I'd be fine with that.

What if you couldn't buy food anywhere because you were you. Also fine? What if you could only buy potatoes? What if your kids couldn't go to a school because you were you. Also fine? Starting to see the point, yet? Legislation requires lines to be drawn, basically always arbitrarily. Finding examples that seem superficially silly, like the cake baking, is trivial with basically all laws. Codifying a "more sensible' limit to exclude the trivial but include the important is incredibly hard.
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#97 Dec 20 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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And I'd be fine with that.

What if you couldn't buy food anywhere because you were you. Also fine? What if you could only buy potatoes? What if your kids couldn't go to a school because you were you. Also fine? Starting to see the point, yet? Legislation requires lines to be drawn, basically always arbitrarily. Finding examples that seem superficially silly, like the cake baking, is trivial with basically all laws. Codifying a "more sensible' limit to exclude the trivial but include the important is incredibly hard.



Still fine, because I don't see it as working that way. My point is public verses private. I'm against discrimination in all things public. Separate fountains, schools, back of the bus, gays not being allowed to marry and all that ******** is certainly wrong, however, I see nothing wrong with a Black man opening a "Blacks Only" night club, or a Jewish person opening a deli that only caters to the Jewish community.

I get your point, but I don't think it's an all or nothing World. We;re right back to no group can have a sense of identity for fear of offending a different group. I know my view isn't popular, but I honestly don't see it as discrimination. I see it as allowing folks to embrace their own culture.
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Still fine, because I don't see it as working that way. My point is public verses private. I'm against discrimination in all things public. Separate fountains, schools, back of the bus, gays not being allowed to marry and all that bullsh*t is certainly wrong, however, I see nothing wrong with a Black man opening a "Blacks Only" night club, or a Jewish person opening a deli that only caters to the Jewish community.

I get your point, but I don't think it's an all or nothing World. We;re right back to no group can have a sense of identity for fear of offending a different group. I know my view isn't popular, but I honestly don't see it as discrimination. I see it as allowing folks to embrace their own culture.


Did the entire history of the Jim Crow south just not register on your consciousness? It's not just a movie trope.
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But it's my right not to have *those* people eating at my lunch counter like real folks! Surely you can SEE that?

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#100 Dec 20 2013 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default
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Did the entire history of the Jim Crow south just not register on your consciousness? It's not just a movie trope.


I believe I stated I was against such. Imma hafta devote some thinking to this, as I'm confused as to how an all black night club is bad, but an all black college is cool. Selective discrimination already exists.
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#101 Dec 20 2013 at 5:32 PM Rating: Default
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A&E has more than one show though. They did it to prevent losing viewership overall, not just for the one show.

The show itself will go on and this guy wasn't even fired just "suspended".


So what you are saying is that a&e execs are opening champagne bottles instead of eggnog ( are there eggnog bottles?).
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