lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
What matters is if you assess what that person says and attempt to test it in some way, using logic, reason, objective facts, etc.
You know that sound people make when they see something like a dog or a three year old get slammed by a speeding 18 wheeler? That sound of sucking wind through the teeth in audible grimace? Yeah, just imagine everyone that just read that line of crap you spewed just did that.
It's good to see that you are objectively assessing things there.
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Again, your failing in this is that at the end of the day sort of speak, you decide (and loudly proclaim) who is using logic, reason, objective facts, etc. And it just so happens that it is only you that does so.
And folks claiming this and repeating it over and over makes it true? Again, good to see logic and reason in action! Really? You're playing a caricature of yourself right now, right?
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You don't bother to look at both sides of any argument, you just say "I used logic, you didn't." That's all.
I say that after using logic to assess both side of any argument and use that to support my position. I know that for those who don't bother, this may be troubling so they may feel a need to lash out as a sort of defense mechanism, but that not my problem.
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You use a lot of words, which is adorable.
It takes a lot of words to actually write down the thought process you're using to derive a position. It takes very few words to say "I'm right, because someone else says so". Certainly, the person arguing their position in one line sarcastic posts is *not* using any sort of logic or reason, right?
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If you can't beat them through real logic and common sense, brow beat them and win a war of attrition. Maybe you're so stupid and you don't realize it, or you're just playing devil's advocate. I can't make that call, though you're logically going to deny both.
Shrug. How logical my arguments appear is kinda dependent on the capabilities of the person reading them, and their own willingness to re-assess their own positions based on logic and reason. If you either don't know how to logically assess something, or don't want to, you're going to just ignore the words because they say things you don't like.
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What's really amazing is you just wrote all that and still don't know what you're "getting heat" for.
I imagine it's mostly because I do make strong arguments for my positions and that makes those who hold opposite positions for far weaker reasons incredibly uncomfortable. Like I said earlier, most people don't like to have their assumptions challenged.
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Only slightly less amazing, because we're all pretty much used to it by now, is that you still think that your "I'm thinking for myself, it's just a coincidence that everything I say just so happens to be what my party says" line is at all believable.
I'm not sure what your point is here. People pick parties based on how well the party's ideology and positions matches their own. The same thing can be said of most people, but it's interesting that you ascribe that sort of blindness to me, but not to every other person who votes for and agrees with the party they've chosen to join.
And btw: I'm still waiting for someone to provide an example of a Dem solution to our current economic problems which does not include raising taxes on the rich. Interesting how the topic keeps moving away from that, isn't it? Can't answer the question, so you attack the person asking it.