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#652 May 06 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I personally feel that if something needs the word "science" tacked onto it, it's not really science. I barely let people who study a subject with the suffix -ology count themselves as scientists.

Oh the snobbery of a physicist.
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I personally feel that if something needs the word "science" tacked onto it, it's not really science. I barely let people who study a subject with the suffix -ology count themselves as scientists.

Oh the snobbery of a physicist.

Food science counts, right?
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#654 May 06 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
#655 May 06 2011 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)
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Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)
When physicists don't know what to do with an equation, they go to the mathematicians who laugh at them because they've had this **** figured out for decades.
#657 May 06 2011 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
#658 May 06 2011 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
I dunno my husband seems to think I do all right.
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#659 May 06 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
I dunno my husband seems to think I do all right.
Is this some kind of Schrödinger's husband scenario, except instead of dead cats, there are floppy ******
#660 May 06 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
[quote=MoebiusLord]Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
I dunno my husband seems to think I do all right.
Is this some kind of Schrödinger's husband scenario, except instead of dead cats, there are floppy **************
LOLed
#661 May 06 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
I dunno my husband seems to think I do all right.
Are trains traveling in opposite directions a turn-on?
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#662 May 06 2011 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai's a girl? Or gay? Always assumed he/she was a straight dude.
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#663 May 06 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
I dunno my husband seems to think I do all right.

All that requires is laying there and taking it. You doing "all right"[sic] is hardly what I would call high praise.
#664 May 06 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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Nilatai's a girl? Or gay? Always assumed he/she was a straight dude.

Poor assumption. This is the internet. I assume everyone is a gay dude until they prove otherwise.
#665 May 06 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai's a girl? Or gay? Always assumed he/she was a straight dude.

Poor assumption. This is the internet. I assume everyone is a gay dude
... fat, old, gay dudes.
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#666 May 06 2011 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai's a girl? Or gay? Always assumed he/she was a straight dude.

Poor assumption. This is the internet. I assume everyone is a gay dude
... fat, old, gay dudes.
..and bald. They're all bald, and have long black nose hairs.
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#667 May 06 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Physicists are just trying to hide their lack of answers behind a field of study where it's ok not to be able to prove something. If they were really smart they'd be mathematicians.
Physics is to maths what sex is to ************* ;)

Awkward and something you're not likely to engage in with an actual person?
I dunno my husband seems to think I do all right.

All that requires is laying there and taking it. You doing "all right"[sic] is hardly what I would call high praise.
Newton's first law explains it pretty well. An object at rest stays at rest.
#668 May 06 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Nilatai's a girl? Or gay? Always assumed he/she was a straight dude.

Poor assumption. This is the internet. I assume everyone is a gay dude
... fat, old, gay dudes.
Damn, I got this all wrong. I also assumed Nalati was 17 or so until it was pointed out to me other day that he/she is mid 20's.
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#669 May 06 2011 at 11:33 AM Rating: Default
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Almalieque The Most Wonderful wrote:
then you my friend have some serious effed up issues
So, this is what you classify as friends? A bunch of people who want you gone, constantly arguing with you and calling you stupid. Explains your opinion on friends quite well.


That was said intentional and yes often when I say "friend", it's acquaintance, but not in this situation.

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Unless I misunderstand, I think Sweetums disliked the self-martyring "nice guys," who use their "niceness" as an excuse to "finish last." As a "nice guy" myself, I can tell you if you're finishing last you're probably going for the wrong girls. Especially if you're being nice to a girl and expecting anything other than friendship. Pro-tip: If the only way you can get with a girl is by being her emotional crutch, keep her as a friend and find a different girl to date. You can't be a nice guy if you're feeling bitter - you're just lying about your true intentions.


Don't get me wrong, I'm very real with myself. I just typically enjoy female companionship over men because many of the guys that I'm around hobbies are just sports and beer. I don't drink and unless it's basketball, I don't like sports.

My goal isn't to have female friends to become more than friends with, that's just a possible bonus. So, if I'm just a "friend", then that doesn't necessarily mean anything bad as long as I have other female friends. Matter of fact, I'm always the one insisting a "downplay" of our friendship if she's already in a relationship.

The women I know have this belief, or at least expresses it, that men and women can be completely platonic friends. While, I believe that is possible, I don't think it is highly likely. I'm honest with myself and with my friends by telling them that I respect them and wont ever try anything funny, but I'm also a guy, so if you present the opportunity, I will take it. I'm just being real with them

When I came back to the states, I went out to the movies and later dinner with an old colleague of mine. We ended up talking for hours and she explained how her boyfriend was always jealous of her male friends stating that they all, especially me, want to sleep with her. I told her that's probably true, but there is a difference between wanting to and trying to. She completely agreed. She didn't see the need to reduce her male friends as her relationship becomes more serious, but I'm sure she will. My theory on that scenario is, jealousy will always prevail, so it's just best to avoid it as much as possible.

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Look, Alma, I can't help it if you're too egocentric to be capable the slightest inkling of self reflection and empathy. That's only something a professional can help. Bring what you wrote to a psychiatrist, or even a therapist. You can probably easily find resources as a military member. Bring in what you wrote, verbatim. Listen to their honest assessment. It might agree with you, it might agree with me, it might be completely different!

I would never even refer to my friends issues as @#%^ed up. I don't call their problems "sob stories." I respect the fact that some things will upset them, and that unhappiness is not a zero sum game.

The fact that this is so opaque to you has nothing to do with any kind of false reading on my part, but with your own inadequacies to even begin to withhold your contempt and examine the language you choose. This does not mean you literally hate your friends. Whether you're fully cognizant of it or not, this is something you need a trained outside observer to help you get through, because your view of what women owe you for basic kindness really does seem a bit skewed. You don't lose out when someone "only" wants to be your friend. I've been there. I know that it stings when a friend rejects you. I don't feel that I lost out by not eventually being in a relationship with her. I don't feel that I finished last, just in a different place.

Friends will be there after a relationship fails. They're going to be the ones picking up the pieces. Friendship is precious, and if you really do view them as friends, you owe it to them to examine some of your latent hostility. This doesn't make you a bad person.

Your choice of words may not have been deliberate, but they certainly reflect a lot about your attitudes, because you're either too socially unaware to realize what crosses the line, or you just don't care. I sincerely hope it isn't the latter. Honestly think about what you wrote, and where it could have come from.

I'm quite serious about a mental health professional. It doesn't mean you're crazy. Everyone could use it from time to time.


I probably started changing the tone from hostile to more empathetic because I am coming up on math and prescription amphetamines


Read above. You're not a psychiatrist, or at least a good one. A real friend will tell you when you're effed up or in an effed up situation. If your friend watches you destroy yourself without telling you anything, then s/he isn't a friend. I had big discussion about this with a co-worker asking if he did the right thing by telling someone that he needed to stop spending so much time with another female co-worker. "Perception is reality" in the military. He felt that although the guy might not have wanted to hear that, as someone who cares, something should be said. The problem wasn't so much of what he said, but how he said. When he said, he was completely wasted and obnoxious. I told him exactly that and he not only appreciated that, but realized his drinking problem.

So, no. If you want to live in fairy la-la- candy land of happiness, then so be it. I want to know the truth. If I'm effed up, tell me, then I can fix it. This is completely your emotional interpretation of chosen words. You freaked out over "pregnant friend"! WTF? Like I said, you're the one that should be getting examined. I'll only concede that the term "sob story" was probably a little too harsh, but in my defense I didn't discriminate "sob stories" from "unfortunate stories" in that statement.
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Almalieque wrote:
If I'm effed up, tell me, then I can fix it.


People keep on telling you that you are effed up, so fix it.
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If I'm effed up, tell me, then I can fix it.


People keep on telling you that you are effed up, so fix it.


This.
#672 May 06 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
My goal isn't to have female friends to become more than friends with, that's just a possible bonus. So, if I'm just a "friend", then that doesn't necessarily mean anything bad as long as I have other female friends. Matter of fact, I'm always the one insisting a "downplay" of our friendship if she's already in a relationship.

The women I know have this belief, or at least expresses it, that men and women can be completely platonic friends. While, I believe that is possible, I don't think it is highly likely. I'm honest with myself and with my friends by telling them that I respect them and wont ever try anything funny, but I'm also a guy, so if you present the opportunity, I will take it. I'm just being real with them


... have you seen "When Harry Met Sally"? Because you seem to be paraphrasing it quite well Smiley: tongue Personally I have several friends I would not sleep with, for a variety of reasons (looks usually not one of them). Being platonic is perfectly easy with them. If you feel attracted to a person sexually, yes, then you'll have issues. Eventually you just need to figure out that not every woman is for sex.
#673 May 06 2011 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Never claimed to be. I just have a skill called "reading comprehension."

I was fairly bored, so I decided to write it from a different perspective, because either way, you're not going to admit to anything that puts you in a negative light. Past performance might not be a guarantee of future results, but it predicts it well enough.

It's pretty unanimous, but I guess you're just in denial.



Edited, May 6th 2011 1:07pm by Sweetums
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I said an abortion would be redundant if the foetus was guaranteed to die. What's your point? How does that relate even remotely to what I said about the viability of the foetus outside of the uterus?

People don't say "Well it was probably going to die any way", they say it is not a viable life form in it's own right, which is a true statement. I can't explain this to you any more than I already have. You're starting to **** me off now, are you deliberately trying to be a troll? Or are you just ******* functionally retarded?


Sorry, I accidentally skipped you.

My point is that the statement "it's not a viable life form in it's own right" is something people say to justify their action of the abortion. The fetus at 24 weeks in 1 day has not changed significantly from a day earlier. Nor did the baby significantly change from 23 weeks and 6 days to 24 weeks. The fact that the probability of living outside of the uterus increases as time progresses doesn't change anything.

If it's only 50% chance of survival, then that's 50%. You're looking at the glass half empty instead of half full. So, why is abortion 100% authorized on something that has a 50% survival rate? I mean, if your argument is being able to live outside the uterus, a full 9 month new born will 100% die outside of the uterus if not taken care of. You have to take care of it, which is why you can get charged if your baby dies due to neglect.

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Then your question was redundant. What's your point? Are you trying to play semantics?


My question wasn't redundant.

I stated that I interpreted a fact as objectively true, i.e. not false. Furthermore, I said that although you may add additional information unto a fact to make it more factual, anything contrary to that fact discredits it's validity.

You countered to say that was just an instance that you provided and that new facts can reduce the margin of error from old facts. So, I asked you to provide an example of reducing a fact's error. You stated the fact of gravity exists and how additional facts on gravity gave us a better understanding of how gravity works. I replied that was fine and dandy, but the original fact in question "gravity exists" didn't have an error. It was the supporting facts that had errors and were later adjusted.

So, I ask again, provide me a scenario where you can reduce the margin of error of a fact with contradictory information.

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Want to try answering the question now? A fertilized egg will turn into a human being without any help from me or anyone? That leaving it completely alone it will grow all by itself?


I didn't realize that I avoided a question. By fertilized egg, do you mean a zygote? If so, yes a zygote will turn into a human being without help from you or anyone else. We were talking about eggs and sperms. An egg or sperm will never turn into a zygote which will turn into a child without some intervention.

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Because I love my parents and I expect love and kindness from them in return. If they had me and kept me and treated me like sh*t, then I wouldn't have a very good life, then, would I?

Oh, I get your "point." It's tenuous at best. You seem to be completely missing mine, however.


I obviously am missing your point. You're making a connection of crappy parents and a crappy life from that one statement. My assumption is that you're making that connection because you have an emotional attachment to that parasite that was once you. Else, you wouldn't care.

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No, I understand that. I have heard that expression many, many times. Mostly from guys who are pissed off that a girl they like is not attracted to them and they want to blame her for it.


While that maybe true at times, as I'm reminded of someone who fits that bill, that isn't the scenario that I'm talking about. I'm referring to the scenario of a man and a woman who HAVE some form of a relationship, but it doesn't develop because she is interested in other types of guys. After a few bad relationships, she either goes back to find the nice guy, regrets not staying with the nice guy and or realizes that she should be with someone more like the nice guy.


Although a woman has fault in the scenario, majority of the fault goes to the dirtbag boyfriend for, well, being a douchebag. If he weren't a douchebag, then the two would be a happy couple. Instead, there's a burned angry woman around who don't trust men claiming that "There are no more good guys" . Which at then end, makes it harder for the good guys to prove themselves.



#675 May 06 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't realize that I avoided a question. By fertilized egg, do you mean a zygote? If so, yes a zygote will turn into a human being without help from you or anyone else. We were talking about eggs and sperms. An egg or sperm will never turn into a zygote which will turn into a child without some intervention.


Interesting. So a zygote is now viable outside a woman's body.

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I obviously am missing your point. You're making a connection of crappy parents and a crappy life from that one statement. My assumption is that you're making that connection because you have an emotional attachment to that parasite that was once you. Else, you wouldn't care.


My point is, to a woman who does not want to be pregnant, the fetus is a parasite. To a woman who wants a baby, the fetus is not a parasite. It is instead something to be celebrated.

And your assumption is wrong. I would, since I have been birthed, have an emotional attachment to my parents. If they tell me something hurtful, I will feel sad.

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While that maybe true at times, as I'm reminded of someone who fits that bill, that isn't the scenario that I'm talking about. I'm referring to the scenario of a man and a woman who HAVE some form of a relationship, but it doesn't develop because she is interested in other types of guys. After a few bad relationships, she either goes back to find the nice guy, regrets not staying with the nice guy and or realizes that she should be with someone more like the nice guy.


Although a woman has fault in the scenario, majority of the fault goes to the dirtbag boyfriend for, well, being a douchebag. If he weren't a douchebag, then the two would be a happy couple. Instead, there's a burned angry woman around who don't trust men claiming that "There are no more good guys" . Which at then end, makes it harder for the good guys to prove themselves.


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#676 May 06 2011 at 12:28 PM Rating: Default
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You see the bold and underline? I admitted that was probably the case.

No, if you had truly admitted that, you would quit telling people to "prove" things to you. You'd quit insisting that your (alleged) experience with computer science, which has absolutely no crossover with any of the physical sciences whatsoever, is somehow relevant because it has the word "science" in it. You've done neither of these things, ergo you've admitted nothing, largely owing to the fact that you are a moron.


"Truly admitted it", that doesn't even make sense. I was going to respond back to you, but your bold sentence tells me that you're a deceived idiot and there is no point in further trying to explain anything to you. You remind me of the EE majors who act like they know everything, but really have no clue what is going on. Your knowledge in one area or field doesn't automatically make you knowledgeable of any other field.. I acknowledge that fact, but it seems that you haven't.
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