Fear terrorists? Nah, fear stupidity.Follow

Yes.

I don't believe evolution is a completely inaccurate theory. I also don't believe creationism to be a completely inaccurate theory.

One thing that never ceases to amaze me is the tendancy of "believers" to interpret, as they see fit, their particular religious texts. In the new testament, Paul suggests that men who do not wear hats in church are doing wrong. In the old testament, Moses' law states that a woman on her monthly cycle should be banished from the village until she is "clean" again. Those are no longer practiced. Jesus's parables are interpreted. The prophets are interpreted. And yet, the piece that Christians and Jews all over the world choose to stick to as literal, and not allegorical or prosaic, is the creation story. THAT one HAS to be literal.

BTW: How f*cked up does a person have to be to think that I would mean a comparison to Smash as a compliment? :)

I find myself in this same boat, evolution has -at least I currently understand it- some major flaws which I cannot ignore. Creationism also has major flaws in it and I am not one to believe anything blindly.



This is very inacurate. Both sides have people equally pushy that seem to thrive off shoving their beliefs down others' throats. The only reason you maybe can't see it is because you agree with one side and so it is not as obvious.

Edited, Tue Feb 10 13:40:53 2004 by rixtar

Something a few of you just aren't getting.

Science is the anti-faith religion if looked at in a certain light. Science is touted as a must have subject in classrooms while religion is "bad" for classrooms.

My view is why not teach both or neither? Are opposing theologies (science is a type of theology) really that bad?


1 book? ROLFMAO

So you weren't born with a 190 IQ, a super model's body and have everything you desire. BOO F'UCKING HOO! Nobody on this planet was born with everything they could possibly desire and no problems.


Have you done the testing yourself or are you putting your "faith" in researchers? Are you sure all the research hasn't been skewed in favor of the research just so some scientist can have their name published?


You know, I had evolution and science in general "shoved down my throat" nearly daily for many many many years. There's nothing wrong with that and it was even enjoyable a lot of the time. However the above quote makes people that think religious teachings would be a good thing are worse than child rapists.

Pot: Hey Kettle.
Kettle: Yea Pot?
Pot: Guess what?
Kettle: What's that?

To reiterate once again. While in high school and college I studdied several (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddism, Confusciousism, Zorastrism) religions. Scary as it might sound there were a lot of people that did the same thing - and not from a religious perspective. What would be the harm in teaching an overview of the world religions in the classroom? While attending these classes I was in the minority of students that attended any sort of church. Most of the students were in the class because they were curious about what others believed.

To all the atheists out there. Go ahead and believe what you want, the chance of changing your mind is between nil and none. Just don't lambast Christians (or other religions) and expect us to "turn the other cheak" or take things lying down. To evolutionists out there, don't get high and mighty and think Christians (or other religious people) are the only people that "shove their beliefs" down other people's throats. Evolutionists aren't any different in many respects.

think moebius nailed it on the head. that middle ground is the only fair way to put it. but like the palastinians and jews, it only really takes one person looking the wrong way on one side or the other to re-light the fuse and start the fireworks again.

Sure religion shouldn't be taught in a science classroom, but both the creation and evolution theories should. If you omit one you are saying that the one you left is the ONLY theory when that is not true.

Why do *many* evolutionists have such a problem with the theory of creation being taught? It seems to me the same people that don't want both ideas heard are almost afraid people might not pick their beliefs. So are trying to feed impressionable children with their point of view as fact so they will never even consider the alternative.

So then you are not denying that, and in a sense putting yourself in the same group as "religious fanatics"?...interesting.

Perhaps, more interesting is that there always has to be the caveate that only religious fanactics and evolutionary extremists feel this way. Nope. I just think religion should be kicked to the curb. You might as well believe in unicorns. I mean, you've never seen a unicorn, have you? Well, why not believe in them? I need no evidence, I just need "faith".

Evolution has a scientific platform, data and hypotheses. That is why it belongs in science class. Religion belongs in a religion class, that should be taught at church or Sunday school, not in public school.

rixtar please re-read this quote..

cr(ap)eationism can be tough in school but it does not belong in the science class.
why? there is no scientific evidence to support it. creationism can be taught in history class just as most major religions are spoken of in this class.

Erm, obviously you and I have different definitions of the world "theory" when used in a scientific sense. The science classes that I took taught that a 'theory' was a subconclusion reached after extensive testing of a hypothesis. Where you come from, "theory" obviously means "whatever this book tells me".

the·o·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr)
n. pl. the·o·ries
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

I'm not sure but I think BOTH fall under that definition...

following jophiel's train of thought i would accept creationism taught in science class if you accept this line of teaching.

"another theory is creationism. some believe that a divine power created everything. however try as they might there is no scientific backing whatsoever on this theory"

So something like this?

Creation: a theory based on the assertion of religious texts that the world was called in to existence by a divine being. Many issues exist with this theory, but is is held as the only explanation by many in the religious community.

Which you skipped over the first time I posted it? :)

EDIT: Or is that not good enough because it doesn't go far enough to flame the stupidity of people posessing religious faith?

Edited, Tue Feb 10 15:19:50 2004 by MoebiusLord