A lot of people on our server have encountered dishonest players, including myself. However, after an experience that I had last week, I’ve come to the conclusion that there are still a lot of good, honest people on our server.
Last week had not started off well at all for me. On Sunday, I lost a Dragon Talon when a friend of mine was trying to synth my Weskit. Throughout the course of the week, a few other events took place in which I lost another 300k or so. At this point I was pretty bummed, but there wasn’t much I could do about it. The icing on the cake came on Thursday evening. I tried to bid 1,000,000 on a pair of Cursed Mitts, and accidentally bid on a pair of Cursed Mufflers. Cursed Muffers usually go for 300 – 400k.
After realizing my mistake, I got in contact with the seller, Taint. He said that if I sent the Mufflers back, he would send my gil back. I have always been a very honest player, so I immeaditely sent the Mufflers back. When I logged on the next evening, my gil was back in my delievery box! ^^
After my stupid mistake, I really didn’t expect to get the gil back. The player could have easily kept it, and there would have been nothing that I could have done. However, I was fortunate enough that this wasn’t the case. So I just want to give a big thank you to Taint, and all of the honest people on our server.
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I agree this game is better to play fun, and share the fun with other players are something that makes oneself fun too. I myself know a lot of nice players. If some a good act can make yourself and others happy, the game world will be full of more joy and a more friendlier gaming environment -- which is the goal of the game.
There are people who will think "your mistake, I make money, who cares?!" People has such altitude should rethink what they want in the game. If being a bas***d makes you happy, I am without word.
There are people who will think "your mistake, I make money, who cares?!" People has such altitude should rethink what they want in the game. If being a bas***d makes you happy, I am without word.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
eh, I myself am one to treat others how they treat me... at least I try to be. I would always give back gil from a mistake unless perhaps it were Smitz or someone else of a known demeaning nature. I might make a friend, I know I'll help brighten someone's day and give peace of mind. If I were the kind to bogart the gil and claim your mistake in my favor... that would be no better than leaving my fellow player behind in the dust, not helping with subjob; kazham keys; Rank 3, 4 or 5 missions; Genkai; all because I was too busy LFG. If we all started treating each other as such, the server would not be a fun place to play. Attitude is contagious... so why not start spreading it positively?
yeah Suri, theres alot of honest and alot of ....******
bout a month ago i accidentaly bid 400K instead of 40K for a 12 stack of silk thread. <first time ive done something careless on the AH>
bought it from a JP guy named Yutarro or something like that, saw him on late one night.
Foret: {hello} 400,000 gil {auction house} {money} 40,000
Yutarro: {money} {do you need it} WW
Foret: >:/ {yes please}
Yutarro: {i'm sorry im busy now} WW
granted 400K isnt the end of the world but it still was ghey.
bout a month ago i accidentaly bid 400K instead of 40K for a 12 stack of silk thread. <first time ive done something careless on the AH>
bought it from a JP guy named Yutarro or something like that, saw him on late one night.
Foret: {hello} 400,000 gil {auction house} {money} 40,000
Yutarro: {money} {do you need it} WW
Foret: >:/ {yes please}
Yutarro: {i'm sorry im busy now} WW
granted 400K isnt the end of the world but it still was ghey.
I do not think it is approiate to point fingers in this thread, and that is not what it is intended to. My take is:
I love to play nice, and it is nice to have someone treat you back the same way. My belief play nice is fun. However, it is next to impossible to expect (spells Demand) the same behavior back. It sucks, I hated that, but you got to deal with it. At least this is a game, @ work I have deal with that type of problem which affects RL interests.
Best thing to do: Just be yourself, and expect less. Do not be an bast**d because you think there are people worse than you -- I know people DO believe in that, who justifies certain actions because others are doing the same thing (which is BS). Do it the way you see fit, and hold yourself morally accountable, and do not do things that you do not want others to do on you.
Rate up for saying that.
Add: Always compare people that you think it is BETTER than you, not worse than you... Be positive and move forward. Comparing to the worse is nothing saying you yourself is bad.
Edited, Mon Sep 26 14:03:16 2005 by scchan
I love to play nice, and it is nice to have someone treat you back the same way. My belief play nice is fun. However, it is next to impossible to expect (spells Demand) the same behavior back. It sucks, I hated that, but you got to deal with it. At least this is a game, @ work I have deal with that type of problem which affects RL interests.
Best thing to do: Just be yourself, and expect less. Do not be an bast**d because you think there are people worse than you -- I know people DO believe in that, who justifies certain actions because others are doing the same thing (which is BS). Do it the way you see fit, and hold yourself morally accountable, and do not do things that you do not want others to do on you.
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Attitude is contagious... so why not start spreading it positively?
Rate up for saying that.
Add: Always compare people that you think it is BETTER than you, not worse than you... Be positive and move forward. Comparing to the worse is nothing saying you yourself is bad.
Edited, Mon Sep 26 14:03:16 2005 by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
People have often been suspicious of me because I've made some odd requests to people before, about a month ago for example I saw a drg friend of mine and I asked him if I could wear his scorp harness because I wanted a screenshot in it. He hesitated but eventually gave in and traded it to me and I equipped it and took my screenshot before handing it right back. Look at what I could do, I held the 7-8 mil item in my inventory and could have very easily stolen it, but I chose not to because I would never take anyone else's item. Another case like this was actually last night, a few of you probably saw me shouting for a skill up pt in port and lower jeuno and a 75 smn/nin joined up and I noticed he had the gobbie hat, same question, wanted a screen shot, and I got it before trading it back and I said:
"See? I wasn't going to steal it?" To which he replied:
"Of course not, I would mpk you forever." Honestly I would expect him to do such a thing if someone took that from him but it was as I said:
"Regardless, I would never steal an item, I have the whole honor thing going."
I say honor because I said I just wanted a screenshot with the item equipped and that's what I got, I returned the item to him and all was well.
Now I just need a screenshot in the other beastmen hats. XD
"See? I wasn't going to steal it?" To which he replied:
"Of course not, I would mpk you forever." Honestly I would expect him to do such a thing if someone took that from him but it was as I said:
"Regardless, I would never steal an item, I have the whole honor thing going."
I say honor because I said I just wanted a screenshot with the item equipped and that's what I got, I returned the item to him and all was well.
Now I just need a screenshot in the other beastmen hats. XD
A lot of bad behavior in the game is started by an "bad" interpretion of "since this is online game and has no consquence."
"********" with another player is different with what Confucian, Algar and Spira said about people should be allowed to to pursue their own interests and player accoutability. I have seen people move around LS all the time, while maintaining good reputation and still being nice. I am firm believer that you can have fun in the game while pursuing what you want in the game while making others happy and undisturbed. Fair competition, helping each other (regardless of LS) are nothing wrong.
There are people who believe the only way to win is to cheat and be a bast**d. Their argument is that since others are like that. In other words, you are going to degrade yourself to win? And people who compare/justify botters or foul play by comparing bad RL situations, need to stop playing FFXI and go read a book or newspaper and understand what does suck in RL means.
"********" with another player is different with what Confucian, Algar and Spira said about people should be allowed to to pursue their own interests and player accoutability. I have seen people move around LS all the time, while maintaining good reputation and still being nice. I am firm believer that you can have fun in the game while pursuing what you want in the game while making others happy and undisturbed. Fair competition, helping each other (regardless of LS) are nothing wrong.
There are people who believe the only way to win is to cheat and be a bast**d. Their argument is that since others are like that. In other words, you are going to degrade yourself to win? And people who compare/justify botters or foul play by comparing bad RL situations, need to stop playing FFXI and go read a book or newspaper and understand what does suck in RL means.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
^I don't think you have been burned enough by people in your life, to understand just yet. When a person's heart has been speared so much by 'bastards', the individual is going to adopt thier ways no matter what. The negative asks for it and they cannot deal with it once they've bred a monster.
Honest people can/will be/is the worse form of bastardism when you push them too far. Do not look down an individual such as this, they are victims of apathy.
Honest people can/will be/is the worse form of bastardism when you push them too far. Do not look down an individual such as this, they are victims of apathy.
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^I don't think you have been burned enough by people in your life, to understand just yet. When a person's heart has been speared so much by 'bastards', the individual is going to adopt thier ways no matter what.
Now I think this is where a person's character is defined. Perhaps it is inevitable to escape adopting an ill mentallity, attitude and outcome... but I happen to think that falls square on the shoulders of the individual and how he/she treats the situation.
I've had my heart served out on shkabob sticks more times than I can count... and you're right.. mentalities and attitudes were adopted involuntarily.... earlier stages it was hurt and anguish... now it tends to be more of rage as I was foolish enough to err again. However, I've worked to control my rage and anger over the years and where as it might feel like I'm going insane... I can recognize it, deal with it, get past it and stay positive about all the other things around me.
Not to get biblical on you, as I'm not even christian, but thinking back to when I was raised up in my christian home, I recall a certain story of Job in the bible... Basically, Job was a great follower of God and this made Satan angry. Satan was certain he could take Job's faith of God away and set out to do so. I can't remember what all entailed thru the series of trials... but Job lost everything. His job, family, house, health... you name it... and yet he still kept his faith. Tho vaguely relevant, it does support that human willpower can be more decisive than an adoptive nature...
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ot to get biblical on you, as I'm not even christian, but thinking back to when I was raised up in my christian home, I recall a certain story of Job in the bible... Basically, Job was a great follower of God and this made Satan angry. Satan was certain he could take Job's faith of God away and set out to do so. I can't remember what all entailed thru the series of trials... but Job lost everything. His job, family, house, health... you name it... and yet he still kept his faith. Tho vaguely relevant, it does support that human willpower can be more decisive than an adoptive nature...
The test against unbreakable ethics is often extremely difficult. In someways having unbreakable ethics is not neccessary a good thing. When one is hungry and sees loved one suffering, it is hard not to "compromise ethics" for surival and protecting the person one loves.
A lot of people in the West (Edit: the Developed World including the ones in the East like Japan, Australia, and Hong Kong) does not understand that. Before branding all of Palestine are terrorist-filled, and enforcing martial law and shoot-in-sight in looting in New Orleans, think of what the people are their feeling. When life sucks, one will do everything to turn their luck. And a lot of people and government executives who sit in the comfort in their homes does not understand what life is like under desperation.
There is a story in the New Testement that a Rabbi defended Jesus saying it is best for God to determine if Jesus is right or wrong. There are always more than 2 tales of everything. It is sometimes just as unethical to force one own ethical judgement to others when the others are not allowed to defend themselves on equal tables.
Two Famous Chinese Saying:
"One seiges on three sides, and leave one side open."
"The most feared person is a person that fears no death."
Forcing under to buldge to one's values, and leave no room for compromise... Or do not understand the state of desperation ... are very dangerous.
Edited, Tue Sep 27 14:16:22 2005 by scchan
Edited, Tue Sep 27 14:25:06 2005 by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Sometimes you have to have those periods where you turn into a heel.
Gotta say excellent post. Same thing happened to me but not that extreme. I paid 100k for a I.M Muskateers helm instead of buying the +1. the normal one is only like 40k or was when i bought it. I panically searched for the person i bought it for and a day later i found him on. i politely told him the situation and he said "sure ill send the gil back just send me the helm back and i will send the gil back when i can (he was in a party at the time)...which i rushed and did. Later the gil was in delivery box.
I believe u gotta give a little also even when u mess up. Try to tell the person the situation calmly, rationally and most important, politely/repectively. It is not the persons fault that u over paid for the wrong item. Not saying anyone here did that though. Its just alot of ppl will demand there money back as if the person stole it. Just be as polite as possible when asking for your money back is all i am saying really =) and hopefully the person will return it.
And Amanada: i am wondering what does "seiges" mean? Is it a typo? i looked it up and didnt find it in the dictionary. lol i really like proverbs and sayings of any culture. I find them fun to use and if used correctly really help to illustrate a point. lol i really hope u check this again.
Edited, Thu Sep 29 01:41:01 2005 by TimtakerXs
Edited, Thu Sep 29 01:47:37 2005 by TimtakerXs
I believe u gotta give a little also even when u mess up. Try to tell the person the situation calmly, rationally and most important, politely/repectively. It is not the persons fault that u over paid for the wrong item. Not saying anyone here did that though. Its just alot of ppl will demand there money back as if the person stole it. Just be as polite as possible when asking for your money back is all i am saying really =) and hopefully the person will return it.
And Amanada: i am wondering what does "seiges" mean? Is it a typo? i looked it up and didnt find it in the dictionary. lol i really like proverbs and sayings of any culture. I find them fun to use and if used correctly really help to illustrate a point. lol i really hope u check this again.
Edited, Thu Sep 29 01:41:01 2005 by TimtakerXs
Edited, Thu Sep 29 01:47:37 2005 by TimtakerXs
Sometimes it's wounding to trust someone to do the right thing and they let you down. But I find even more damaging is to trust no one. It is written in the Tao de Ching "Those who do not trust, cannot be trusted." Truer words never spoken.
Depsite all my ********* both in-game and out, I have to say that I have seldom been disappointed when it came to depending on someone do the right thing. Yes, there's numerous noobs and idiots out there- and I'm probably one of them- but at least their hearts are in the right place.
Now if I can get more people I meet in real life to be as dependable... ;)
Edited, Thu Sep 29 03:44:44 2005 by GalkaAnimal
Depsite all my ********* both in-game and out, I have to say that I have seldom been disappointed when it came to depending on someone do the right thing. Yes, there's numerous noobs and idiots out there- and I'm probably one of them- but at least their hearts are in the right place.
Now if I can get more people I meet in real life to be as dependable... ;)
Edited, Thu Sep 29 03:44:44 2005 by GalkaAnimal
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And Amanada: i am wondering what does "seiges" mean?
Sorry it is.... I mean "siege" -- to surround a city. Proverb means "You do not leave someone with no room of compromise or back down, otherwise you are forcing people to have no choice but to go extremes." (Leaving one side of the city open from siege to allow the enemy to retreat)
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I did that same thing once, Mateo.
I finally hit 57 the week I was quitting, so I asked my friend Deimos if I could wear his SH for a picture. I took the screen shot, but my computer bugged out and kicked me off of FFXI and POL all togeather. I almost cried. I was so nervous that I would get back to find Deimos calling me a theif and a trator, and he's one of the nicest guys I know.
After what seemed like forever, I got back and saw him and another friend standing there. I had the sudden urge to /sh Gotcha! but I didn't think it would be appropriate. I told him what happened and he said He didn't think I would ever do something like that to him, but he about cried anyway.
I never did get that screen shot...
I finally hit 57 the week I was quitting, so I asked my friend Deimos if I could wear his SH for a picture. I took the screen shot, but my computer bugged out and kicked me off of FFXI and POL all togeather. I almost cried. I was so nervous that I would get back to find Deimos calling me a theif and a trator, and he's one of the nicest guys I know.
After what seemed like forever, I got back and saw him and another friend standing there. I had the sudden urge to /sh Gotcha! but I didn't think it would be appropriate. I told him what happened and he said He didn't think I would ever do something like that to him, but he about cried anyway.
I never did get that screen shot...
Honestly, I don't understand why people would even consider ripping someone off ingame (intentionally, anyway) considering that, really, the only thing we have online is a reputation.
When you're a known backstabber/thief/liar/cheat, you end up getting MPK'd, kicked out of linkshells, shunned in XP parties, and generally hated into oblivion. Why anyone would go through all that crap just to have an item with a few extra stat points -rather than earning the item themselves- is beyond me.
-Jarden
When you're a known backstabber/thief/liar/cheat, you end up getting MPK'd, kicked out of linkshells, shunned in XP parties, and generally hated into oblivion. Why anyone would go through all that crap just to have an item with a few extra stat points -rather than earning the item themselves- is beyond me.
-Jarden
Thanks for the kind words. :)
I think that those players that play the game seriously, with honor are probably the ones that are the most honest.
You can usually tell those kind of people pretty straightforwardly, and I think that all the problems that people have with the game are pretty much selfish-ness (camping mobs for drops, etc).
/waves to Luciendar as Luciendar's character ^^
You can usually tell those kind of people pretty straightforwardly, and I think that all the problems that people have with the game are pretty much selfish-ness (camping mobs for drops, etc).
/waves to Luciendar as Luciendar's character ^^
There was somebody I met a little over 7 months ago that now I wish I have never met. After being burned by them constantly to the point where what I had felt for them had been distinguished, I had to ask myself do I really take some of the people in this game too seriously.. Cause for a long long time now this individual has made me rather unhappy, with thier hypocrisy, lies, and well..neglection.. It was the opposite in the beginning..the beginning..a period that doesn't last long as people would like..
Its one thing to be told you're going to do something with them..and then later..they are doing something else..or don't want to do it.
I had proved my worth to this individual and it was all for nothing. Nothing..nothing..nothing..
The hate for this individual had turned me into an *******.
I can't believe I had love for somebody in a game. What a damn joke.
I hope you people remember the honest Elathia cause I pretty much don't give a flying **** now.
Edited, Sun Oct 2 22:05:10 2005 by Zaleshea
Its one thing to be told you're going to do something with them..and then later..they are doing something else..or don't want to do it.
I had proved my worth to this individual and it was all for nothing. Nothing..nothing..nothing..
The hate for this individual had turned me into an *******.
I can't believe I had love for somebody in a game. What a damn joke.
I hope you people remember the honest Elathia cause I pretty much don't give a flying **** now.
Edited, Sun Oct 2 22:05:10 2005 by Zaleshea
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