Huixiang(Flying) actively hunting XP partiesFollow

Did you even read the original post??? Or did you just read one paragraph out of context?

The night began with "Why is this 75 galka healing us? who is he with?" We never asked for any of this. He showed up. We never asked for a PL from them. I wasn't the leader. But I was the one who initiated having Blub kicked and suggested that we would ditch the PL. Why am I the **** here?

I sent a /tell to the party leader with my concerns about the PL we had. The leader agreed Blub should be kicked. If Blub was staying, I was going to leave. But our leader and the rest of the party made the right choice so we kicked the gil seller and the powerleveler. End of story (except the part where Thin harassed me for an hour. Thats another story.)

Where the hell did you get these ideas in your head that I am a **** powerleveling parasite??? I got my mnk to 75 without a single PL. I don't ever expect or ask for PL help, regardless if I'm slumming in valk dunes or the C.nest. I've been through valk 6 times (which is a fair bit for a casual player) and have only encountered this PL nonsense this last month while working on a new job/subjob combo.

So do I admit to joining a party that happened to have a PL already? When 80% of valk and qufim parties are powerleveled there just arnt a lot of choices anymore. I don't like what PL dependency is doing to the average player base, but if the party that invited you uses a PL, you may as well see it through to the end (especially if you paid your dues in the past 2 years of playing without a PL.)

"Either the paladin and his L75 whm friend go, or I'll take my L.14 thf elsewhere!!" Do you call a GM when they kick you? I have principles, but I am also kind of realistic here...

PL makes a mundane trip through the ghetto levels even more boring, plus I agree no one on their first few trips through should expect a PL if they want to learn to play this game. But some days it is a necessary evil to put up with it all. It cheapens the experience, but it isnt cheating.

Now please dont accuse me of being an XP leech, or a PL parasite, or a gil seller sympathizer again. I don't mind if you hijack the topic to dwell on powerleveling again and again, but can you please stop slandering me?

Allow me to earn more ratedowns for believing that playing the game honestly and properly is the right thing. (notice i do not rate you down for exercising your "right to cheat")

Thornn, since you say i didnt read your post let me cut and paste the relevant part of it so you can.


you did not kick him at first. Instead you moved to another area, rather than lose your precious powerlevel and *gasp* ~god forbid~ have to play ffxi.

If 6 of your last 9 parties had powerlevers then I think you have a real problem.

Also let me point out that the reason why gillsellers exist in the first place is the same reason you have a PL in almost every PT you are in. Because people today tend to be too lazy to play the game properly. Today's typical player is apparently:

Too lazy to level - need a PL.
Too lazy to farm - need to buy gil.
Too lazy to do missions and quests - need HL help.

not sure why people like this even play this game...

go ahead MPK my Karma Rating I take it as a compliment in this case.

Edited, Wed Aug 24 00:13:19 2005 by NOiSEA

Ok, heres the long version:

I was not the leader. I was a whm concerned with debuffing the mob and taking care of any critical injuries. Our party assembled in jeuno from random people LFG. Thin was already there when we set up camp in Qufim.(He was hanging around the entrance worm camp so we assumed he was just bored. He would top us up now and then. An unofficial PL at this point).

Initially I didn't even notice what Thin was doing to the other parties in the area, or that Blub and Thin were in the same LS (which happened to be the new flying so I didn't recognise it at the time). My first "wow what a jerk" reaction came when a gigas aoe went off right in the middle of a party fighting a worm.

So I did notice he screwed over the other party in the area... At the time I had no idea why. But we were moving to the crab pond, so I didn't pay it a lot of attention. It was when Thin followed us that I noticed him and Blub were together

No one else in my party noticed it until I brought it up. They were thrilled that we had a Pl out of the blue. These were mostly rank 5 members so Qufim was nothing new to them, and most people don't react with hostility to powerleveling.

I kept it between myself and the leader at first with /tells. I pointed out what Thin was doing to the other groups, and shared a little history about the flying LS. We agreed Blub and Thin had to go, but we were certain Thin would ***** us over if we kicked his buddy (dead on with that prediction).

So I told my LS and a few people volunteered their time to help protect us. I could have insisted we kick them ASAP, or simply disband myself and run away ranting back to jeuno, but as I said the other members never noticed what Thin was doing. I would have looked like a nutcase (OMFGWTFBBQ the PL has to go! and disband... That's not fair to the other members).

I wanted to salvage the party. So when the LS help arrived we kicked Blub and Thin began his harassment for the next hour. We endured and this party went on to go from 20-25 in a couple of hours. It was one of those rare low level parties where everyone knew what they were doing and got along. The night ended on a very positive note for everyone.



That 6 out of 9 parties with a PL was in a single month... a particularly bad month where i took 2 jobs through Valk. That accounted for 5 of them. That's just the way valk is now. The other party I was in that had a PL was in the crawler nest with my War. I had no interest in ever leveling my war sub again, but a friend in that party needed me so I was there. They happened to have a PL.

So obviously I didn't go into this kind of detail on the original post, because the point was to warn people that Flying LS weren't just harassing people at end game. But somehow I got put on trial for some kind of **** hate crime so I am posting a more detailed account of how things played out. I am sorry if the original summary mislead you.

So Noisea:

I have no idea why you are so driven to make me the villain here. I thought you were a troll at first trying to hijack this thread, but you did have some good points on powerleveling. Perhaps it would be more productive for you to post a new thread discussing the morals on that topic. And I am sorry people rated you down for standing up for what you believe in.

You all need to quit jumping at each others throats. Seriously.



If you want to quote Thornn.. use the whole quote. Now I can't stand a PL with a bunch of new players with no sub jobs in the dunes, because I can help to mold them the right way. But if it's a bunch of people that I know that have higher level jobs and a buddy is bored and wants to come out and help us, so be it.

I'm sorry but if you get 5-6 people that have post 60 jobs together and go to the dunes on lower level jobs, you're going to more or less PL yourselves anyways. You know party mechanics, skillchains, exp chain timers, C5 necessities. You know ALL this (well you should LoL). Having someone tossing out a couple cures on the side probably won't make that much of a difference.

I get a little tired of hearing the "high and mighty" speech. It just gets old guys. It's a damn game. If you get invited to a party after being lfg for an hour or two, and there is a PL there, you're going to leave? Fine. LoL. Congratulations, sit another 2 hours LFG. It's not like you just ran down to the 7-11 and robbed the place. I mean my god.

Like I said before, I don't condone PLing, especially if there are newbies in the party, but if you get invited to it, or it's almost all friends, then so what. Take the exp and move on.

By now we should all start to see the ENORMOUS time sink this game is. I'm sorry but if people haven't thought once about ways to cut time out of doing something monotonous, then you have WAY too much time on your hands.

No offense, Ovul, but first this thread shouldn't have turned into this. Second, Thornn isn't out MPKing, selling gil, stealing mobs, etc. There's no need to start flaming.

Well, I'm just gonna drop it. I'm obviously in the severe minority here. It spills over into everything i do in the game. I always prefer hard work and a challenge no matter what level. I guess the reason it gets me so upset is because its getting harder and harder to find people like that to play with, and its taking some of the fun out. Everyone seems to be looking for the easy way out to everything.

I'll just keep it to myself. I'm done trying to understand you guys or reading about the justifications so dont bother.

Not to rehash, but Ovul, I've never had any issues with you. I'll start off with that. LoL. Secondly, I'm just saying it's ridiculous how quick we are to jump down each others throats and flame each other. This was a warning to others about gil sellers trying to increase their numbers and it got turned into a bash Thornn for there being a PL in the party.

A solid work ethic is definitely only seen in the minority. It is sad. I've worked for what I have (which isn't much) but it is definitely more rewarding when you get it. Have I had help along the way? Yes, tons. But I've never skated through anything that I can recall. I've always done as much as I could possibly do. I would bet there's more like that than you might think.

Anyways... yes let's move on. Thank you Thornn for the heads up. Sorry if it came across like I was trying to beat you over the head with a PL justification Ovul (which I wasn't trying to do LoL), and I'll probably start checking LS names in my lower level parties. :-/

Edited, Wed Aug 24 16:29:18 2005 by LeetFade