Gil Seller "crisis" breeding racismFollow

It is sometimes to sad to hear profits all people care about. From an investor point of view, sometimes it is tempting to invest in the most profitable company even company is alleged to have questionable pracitices.

But again, I still believe it is the consumers "fault" that leads to all of this. Who wants to pay more when it can be cheaper? If people do not think buying gil is a neccesity, then gil will not be this cheap. For most cases, it is the consumers created the market, not the business themselves.

The racism IS unfair. Hell I admit that its not right, because of the ignorance of others, some really good players are developing "false" reputations. More than anything, Flying needs to be dealt with. People are viewing all Chinese players to be like Flying, and we know thats not the truth. The same can be said for other countries viewing Americans as loud, noisy, obnoxious, womanizing and rude people, which again, we know not all Americans are so. If more people were educated about forgein countries, (god forbid the average american to actually pick up a book and READ it), less of this crap would actually happen...

ps: I'm American. It just so happen's im not close-minded, which many seem to be.

WOOHOO! PREPARE FOR THE RATE-DOWNS ON BASHING AMERICAN CULTURE!

What does it matter if MPK is against the TOS to them? Their existence based on their purpose is against the TOS.

In their shoes? I MPK all day long.

And what is a "real job"? Something where you go in, provide labor, get paid, and it's all legal within the local laws? I'm wondering if you've ever had to get a "real job" and put food on the table before. When you have bills to pay, you don't exactly get picky. If I found a job where I was on a computer all day, didn't have to interact with customers on a "professional" level (i.e. be polite and respectful) and it paid my bills and kept my family fed, why would I turn it down? So what if it effects the quality of a game some kids play on the other side of the world? Its not like it is causing some sort of life threatening harm to them.

Open your mind and stop being a nieve child. This is a normal job to them, they come in, do what their boss tells them to, get paid, and go home to their families.

This is why there is never a shortage of people willing to do telemarketing or bill collecting.

I honestly don't give two ***** if this is considered a "real" job or not. These people are making things difficult for others. No longer in a way that means you have to buy a hairpin instead of camp a bug for it.

Nope now they're holding entire areas hostage.

As far as where they're at or what race they are? Who cares? I don't give a damn if I got mpk'd by some dude named Jim in Wichitaw or (insert name that's as popular as Jim in China) or (insert name that's as popular as the previous two in Europe) I pay the same ammount of money and do not deserve to be treated like dirt because some SOB has decided that he'd rather do this then work at Wendy's or in a rice paddy or whatever it is they f'ing do in Europe.

/wave back


Not a nap I'm just so sick and tired of this. Have you strolled through the posts? How often does this stuff come up?

Well ok maybe a nap might be in order.

Well now that you are no longer attacking me I can come out of Attack mode myself...SE has made some great attempts at putting gil sellers out of business with the low lvl items EMP, P.CHARM, etc. etc.. but as the OP stated it seems that is has back fired. Us folks doing end game are now having to deal with Flying MPK EXP ptys at Ulli(A NM that drops pop items for sky HNM), and anywhere they go.

Hell I was in Kuftal Tunnel last night skilling up Axe (186 ^^) when here comes Thin, as well as 5 other LS mates with 4 or 5 Haunts, and countless Crabs and Spiders. I zoned waited a few and came back sneak up then I go back to the Amemit room to see a dead 50-53 XP pty. Turns out they MPK them then ran the train up to me and my friend skilling up just in case we were gonna go after Amemit when the window was up. Ok now if you're a scumbag MPK'r then I can understand MPK me and a HL PLD....but come on what possible threat to getting Amemit could a pty of low 50's have possibly posed. So it may not have anything to do with you....till you are camped for EXP in a place where they want a NM.


OK IDC if you call my mother a ***** I'm done with this thread, I usually don't even go for the Drama BS, but after seeing that last night first hand what Flying does....I had to say something so rate me down some more if you wish....

I myself have never bought nor sold gil, so I qualify under this prerequisite of yours.

You know what? While the MPKing that's going on is really, REALLY wrong, it's not even the worst of it.

The worst part?

SE IS DOING NOTHING TO THESE PEOPLE.

In one of the other threads concerning the actions of the Flying/Huixiang LS, there was a chatlog posted by Moreana. I happen to know Moreana, and would feel secure in betting money that the log was displayed without transformation.

(Note: For the sake of argument and simplicity, I'm just going to assume the chatlog mentioned was indeed 100% correct. I understand that others might not assume the same, so keep this in mind when you read the following.)

If you read the chatlog of the first MPK on Simurgh, you'll see that a GM was -already- watching. So we KNOW that the GMs are well aware of what is happening. Granted, the players' conduct in speaking to the GM may have been out of line, but the fact of the matter is, the GM didn't show even so much as an acknowledgment that the MPK even happened. What was he(she?) worried about?

Aww. The pwayers hurt da widdle GM's feewings.

That's like a cop standing there watching a robbery, and refusing to do anything because the guy behind the counter, the one WITH THE GUN POINTED AT HIS HEAD, said, "Come on, god dammit, aren't you going to help me?" to him.

I don't know about any of you guys, but I am becoming severely disenchanted with the actions of SE and the GMs that they employ... really fast. While probably not the best thing to shout at the time, one of the MPK'd players was shouting about how GMs claim to be fair, yet won't do their goddamned job.

Aside from their lack of grammar, I couldn't have said it better myself.

All I have to say is, Square Enix - you need to get your **** straight, FAST. I have three accounts myself (one for me, one for my brother, and one I took over as a mule account when one of my friends quit, before you people start saying "account buyer" and crap like that). I enjoy the game, I've put countless hours into building levels and relationships and helping my friends out... but I refuse to be a part of something that treats its customers like giant walking dollars with keyboards.

Get your act together, or I can guarantee the removal of at least four accounts (not to mention the hundreds of others that I'm sure they'll lose soon), which will end up costing you $67.80 a month. Sure, it's chump change to you... but multiply that by more and more people leaving in disgust.

Not so pretty now, is it?

/rant off

Sigh... I'm just sick and tired of how SE claims to do things to help us, and then when in the very face of conflict, seems to sit back and do nothing.

On top of this, I'm actually considering boycotting -all- SE products. I know it sounds extreme, but that's how utterly ridiculous I think this is.

To those of you who have read all the way down to here, congratulations and thank you for your time. I would be glad to discuss things with you.

To those of you who read six lines of my post and are going to quote me and whine over what little you read, get bent.

Ah, don't you just love nice people? XD

in response to mob...

one who sells gil has a job of sitting in front of a computer and making real money... much like i make money by selling my products on ebay. what makes a job a "real job"?



in response to others...

yeah... i'd it if SE took care of this situation. what do you suggest they do? i'm completely against kicking people out of the game because you *think* they are gil sellers. there must be indisputable proof.

i have a friend who camped VE for three months straight at one time who was accused of selling gil.... little did they know that he was giving away the hairpins to LS members.... he never got one for himself... go figure.

so... food for thought... if you're in charge, how would you handle this situation?

well yeah... i agree that anyone involved in an MPK numerous times should be removed from the game after first being given a warning.

a GM will suspend people who have been reported for an MPK with some proof of the incident. i dont know if the rules are a little different if it involves, as in this case, an entire linkshell. i'm sure the average GM will think twice before kicking 30 people from the game. kicking that many people, he better have all his proof because some higher up WILL question it.

the only way i can see to get results in this case is keep reporting every violation so they have a record built up. eventually they'll be gone

i dont think anyone at all was defending them

It sounds like to me that Blizzard knows how to run an MMORPG...

Yeah, I do see your reasoning there Tekkub, pretty much I want to know the real reason why GMs won't do anything, but getting them to admit that is easier said then done.

The only reasons I can think of are:

1) There are very few GMs - Anyone that called a GM knows it takes forever for to a reply, and if you ever seen the requirments to become a GM, that would be another reason for the lack of authority

2) They don't have time to investigate - With a lack of GMs, they can't investigate anything in time to take any real action

3) They have way too tight assed rules to go by - GMs are pretty much like cops, they don't make the law, just enforce it, but SE seemed to take it to another level where the GMs can't use their own judgement on the situation, they need solid proof for any call, but since they can't investigate it, they can't do anything

How to fix it, I don't know, unless they made player-admins, which I doubt will ever happen.

Or maybe try to find a way to make RMT companies like MOGS/IGE against the law

*sigh* I still find it sad that I probably did more in 3 months on my old admin for the old RPG I played than all these GMs did combined

Edited, Sat Aug 20 23:32:31 2005 by Corrderio