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No, -you- listen. AD wasn't mentioned nor needed to be mentioned for any purpose. You don't want your LS involved you tell your members to stop preaching from your little soap-box and mind their own business then. Don't come in getting all upset because they don't keep their noses out of it. So you can tell everyone to not mention you untill the Moogles come home, but once you throw your spoon into the pot {I'm sorry}.

Vtx barely said anything, but Kalani is overstepping his boundries. And since comments and ideas/suggestions made by Darthalia (Not the LS) have been taken to be the general attitude and disposition of the shell, it is only fair that everyone is treated with the same kindness. Kalani runs his mouth, them I'm going to take that as ArchDominus (Oh noes I said it!) position on the matter.

Equality is a *****.

If anything has not been productive it's been your unnecessary, uneeded, and unwarrented participation.






































































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I never said I was mature.

Heres an idea for you. Go back to your now private section of your fourms and discuss how your going to trade and deal with the Gil Sellers. Instead of arguing on Alla about how you played with TOMATO and how you got them back why don't you figure out the mess that your fourms and members created.

Considering Dealings with Gil Sellers because you don't have the patients to camp Zip or Water is sad and to have people even consider that is truely Pathetic. Theres was a poll on your fourms about this so please don't try to deny there wasn't.

Are you upset at some of the responces people have made. I guess you should consider your actions before having to defend them and look like an idiot.

Now considering you have the reading capability of most 6 graders and the mentality of a pre-schooler i'll try to keep this as simple as possible. Although AD members may comment on your actions, this thead has nothing to do with AD so please keep AD out of your converation. Our members are free to say what they wish and if your upset about something they post then comment about them, not AD.

Now for you... whom ever you are hiding behind your name, you will only bring down the overall respect anyone might still have for your linkshell by preaching nonsence on the boards and trying to justify your actions by commenting on others. Remember, I'm Wilhelm and your just a shadow in comparison so don't start something you can't win.

- Wilhelm

P.S. "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, Dirty Deed and the're Done Dirt Cheap" ~ AC/DC

Edited, Fri Jul 29 21:47:08 2005 by WilhelmBismark

Kalani overstepped his boundries by voicing his opinion on something directly effects him and his friends, and people that he has to share sky with? Never realized that there was a limit to that. Call me cynical, but in my own opinion Kalani just hit too close to the mark and you're ashamed that your LS and your friends behave that way.

I know I'm ashamed of the friends I have in ForceElite.

Oh its late and Im amused so let me add to the FIRE.

You guys are 1. Sad for even worrying about us. 2. Pathetic for keeping this going so long. and 3. Morons because you cant read for crap.

Listen, and get off your soap box.

1. Why should I camp genbu if I can have people do it for me 24/7?
2. Wouldnt it be nice to be in LS where you actually get an item each week instead of waiting months and watching only the LS leader get their items?
3. The MPK thread, yes i made it, why not, did you not happen to notice its empty? OMG THERE IS NO ONE ON IT, could that be FOR A REASON? OMG THINK LITTLE BRAINS. All of our members thought it was funny I put that up there, we all had a good laugh.
4. Our LS site was private, sorry I'm not a computer wizard who knows how to set everything up, but now we have taken steps to prevent outside access. So I think I'll post more evil ****, but now you cant see it HAHA
5. All of your LS have seen us up there, have we been anything but nice to you?
6. Why are all of you so mad? Because in 3 weeks our members get more items than they'd get in 7 months with your LS?
7. Because we pay out gil to our members from drops? OMG, I'm so evil I have your members sending me tells if they can join because they need gil.
8. Honestly, we dont worry about you, dont worry about us, our goal is to get items for our LS, and anyone who joins us, we have a lot of fun in sky and enjoy our God runs. If you dont want to like us fine, be my guest, but in 1 week we had 50+ members, killed Kirin on our 2nd week as a LS, and our 3rd osode dropped tonight in our 3rd week as a LS, we are getting our items, worry about your own. We also have S. Cloth coming our of butts. need it? Ask SK on price.
9. Bottom Line ~ that thread on mpk was empty, get over it, if TOMATO will give us genbu items and we dont need to farm them, why the heck not? Kabuto x 100 "yes,please" shield x50 "all right" Abj x 200 "congratulations"
10. Have I covered everything? Go ahead rate me down, flame me, call me whatever, put whatever value you want on our MPK thread and our no farming needed genbu items. I really dont care, I'm just giving you more material to go on. Give you something to do at work. So let's hear it, trash me more because you're so cool, say how bad I am, how evil trading with Tomato might be.

Anyone else need a drink after reading this? I know I do, haha flame on people.

Hi Darthalia, you might remember me from a day or two ago. I had applied to ForceElite on your forum, noticed a few...interesting things, and immediately withdrew my application.


Perhaps, but given that you condone MPK gives us more than enough reason to worry. The seemingly complete lack of ethics and maturity is reason to worry.

What can we say? It's a big deal that an HNM LS allows MPK. It could very well be a passing novelty, in which case it will pass over in time. However...
...I think that it hasn't died down because fuel is being added to the fire from both directions. That it hasn't simmered down yet when the concerned parties are treated to a barrage of verbal dysentery--in both directions--should not surprise anyone.
Ok. Seems you asked on your application if we could listen; you have my undivided attention.
Well, that depends. Do you plan on coming along right after the kill to MPK whoever killed Zippy or whatever NM happens to be the Kill-du-jour? That is where my problem lies: That there is the distinct possibility that you could come along and just take what you want with no heed to the ToS or anyone else.

I might've even answered your question if you hadn't loaded it so. What you've done here is commmit a logical fallacy called a false dilemma. There exist another valid options beside the two you mentioned here. Namely, to join a LS that doesn't support only its leader...or engage in egregious behavior.
I'm sure you all did.

But that is beside the point.

The point is not who was on it, but that it existed in the first place. Remember: the cart goes before the horse.


Be our guest. Post whatever you please, but don't think that your e-compound is completely invulnerable to outside attention.

I was more than able to roam the site freely while applying for membership. By the way, in case it wasn't already obvious: it's because you post stuff like this that ForceElite's reputation is called into question...not because you "own" at sky farming. And the more of it you post, the more trouble you might have. One defection from FE, and you may have a world of trouble if you do post anything about anyone in particular.

Still a bit beside the point. All it takes is for one person to have lag, one jealous claim lost, and open war is delcared, by you, onto another unsuspecting--and undeserving--linkshell. Are you willing to risk that over a mere claim lost to lag? This, to me, more than anything, is where the problem lies.
No. You have my compliments on becoming so successful in such a short time, though. But you have my contempt for using unethical methods to reach some of it. Hence...the percieved anger.
Once again, my compliments and my contempt. Compliments for rewarding your Linkshell for its hard work (when letgitimate)...and contempt for any MPK business.
Were you by chance...running a little low on things to fill your top ten list? You said the same thing three times in three different ways. It will also be answered three times in the same way. I'm glad you enjoy your God runs and your time together; I've never had more fun in this game than with a friendly linkshell. But that you will throw the rules away to get what you want is what makes us worry.

(Note: for some odd reason Allakhzam stopped quoting the post here. I apologize for it suddenly becomeing difficutlt to read.)

Darthalia wrote: 9. Bottom Line ~ that thread on mpk was empty, get over it, if TOMATO will give us genbu items and we dont need to farm them, why the heck not? Kabuto x 100 "yes,please" shield x50 "all right" Abj x 200 "congratulations"

I don't particularly care who you MPK'd to get what you want; I care that you MPK'd to get what you want.

The ends do not justify the means.

Darthalia wrote:
10. Have I covered everything? Go ahead rate me down, flame me, call me whatever, put whatever value you want on our MPK thread and our no farming needed genbu items. I really dont care, I'm just giving you more material to go on. Give you something to do at work. So let's hear it, trash me more because you're so cool, say how bad I am, how evil trading with Tomato might be.
You have my word that I will not flame you. Nor will I rate you down or spew verbal dysentery at you.

You will, however, recieve a great deal of criticism for what could be--and apparently already is--a serious problem.

Darthalia wrote:Anyone else need a drink after reading this? I know I do, haha flame on people.

I suggest the Madeira.

(Edit: spelling)

Edited, Sat Jul 30 03:10:54 2005 by rayado

Edited, Sat Jul 30 03:18:58 2005 by rayado

Dont be so arrogant, didnt we kinda help your kirin too?

Just a quick question. . . can this fight end like right now? This is getting stupid and pointless and yes, I am getting really upset about this. Not only about AD vs FE, also I was in AD for few months myself and now I am the leader of FE. I got friend in both LS. If you are going to take it personal, go for it, don't just "attack" the whole LS. Now to Invoky, yes, you did help our LS on fighting kirin but does that give you the right to step on us? And talking **** about our LS? See, our LS still noob about lots of things, and yes, we are still learning, also there is some nice ppl in LS as well, I really don't want this things keep it going. What if I got no life? Does that really bother you? That's my lifestyle, mind your own business and stop talking **** about us. And yes, I like to get my LS stonger and such, so I farm sky 24/7 and get our member osode/noble, is that anythings wrong with it? Does that really bother you/your LS member?
And to those ppl who saw that we are allow to MPK others "only" if you MPK/Steal NM from us. Reason? Because I don't want same things happen later on, if you don't stop now, same things will be happen over and over again, that's what we gotta do is to fight back instead we just sit and watch them to MPK us. All GM can do is saying "I am really sorry that happen to you" whatelse they can do about it?
And about selling Abj. to gilseller, I don't think we will able to do that because we still have like 4 PLD, 8 RNG, some DRK and DRG. and how many Kirin can make those w.abj.leg????? The reason we want talk about it because TOMATO is asking for trading Abj. & rare/ex gear, to me, it doesn't really matter if it sell to gilseller or other player (ofcoz I won't sell it to gilseller myself coz they will MPK us in that case since they can outrun those mob), I mean what's so wrong about it? Even if we are really selling that to RMT, does that really bother you? If you are doing HNM like KB and Nid, I think some LS is selling those Abj/BB item for some crazy price, highest I heard on BB item were worth 5M and body Abj. as 15M. Just don't look if they are gilseller but as a player, if you got no use for it and you can get good gil from it, I think it will be worth selling coz it will do good to LS. You don't like the way we run our LS, then don't bother, we didn't MPK ya or anything, we deal with RMT, poll on it, I really don't see how it become you guys problem on it. We didn't even sell 1 single Abj. and such or MPK whoever in sky coz we lost on claim. And now we got all these BS. I hate drama myself but I really can't stand all these BS. I got no idea why I try to be nice and quite but ppl just won't stop! Please, stop now, I really don't want to see these no more!

Body Abjurations sold? Awesome o_O Have yet to see anyone do that on this server ;x

Making deals with a gilfarmer ls is just bad. a lot of people want to get rid of them, but you decide to help them out. They aren't like for they are farming sky 24/7 while other linkshells also want to kill gods. Good for you that you want the items from genbu, but atleast kill it yourself instead of having some lame gilfarmer ls kill it for you.

Kinda glad I haven't been to sky in a long time, going to go back up there soon though and by the sounds of it it won't be fun. If you decide to farm sky as FE as much as possible other linkshells won't be able to get certain pop items and of course you'll be disliked for it ^^

Wow to think all this crap started cuz some no class gillselling scum tried to kill FE and AD for the sole purpose of doing the only god they ever are able to kill....w/e Im in FE i aint gonna mpk anyone myself, but gd them people deserve it specially WARNURRY ....lemme catch that lil jerk in a dark alley some day....bah!

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Shamanking, you're missing the point. You will notice we're not actually saying you or your LS are out there MPKing everyone, or saying that you are being "rude." I have been to many events with you, and pted with you, and know you to be a decent person. The point people are trying to make is that having a policy that condones MPK under ANY circumstances is wrong. This is heightened by the fact that the rule itself was vague enough to allow people to take it as carte blanche to MPK anyone they don't like.

People also don't like the idea of ANYONE working with gilsellers. Yes, it might help you ls, but buying all the gil they farm would help your ls also. People are very touchy about gilsellers, as they have hurt virtually everyone on the server in some way.

And the fact that we kind of helped them with KiRin is pretty irrelevant, it was one of their first Kirin fights, and MANY ls need a little help on their first couple of runs.

Most of the people in your LS have posted in defense of the MPK policy, this tends to increase anger towards your LS. I'd strongly suggest rethinking a few of your LS policies, yes MPKing people and making deals with TOMATO might help your ls, but the ends don't justify the means.

Basically anyone who remains in that linkshell as of now supports what was on their site and has been posted. If you have any respect for your fellow peers on the server, leave the linkshell and don't support it any further. Bismarck doesn't need linkshells like this ruining everyone's fun. I'm sure most other HNM linkshells would still accept you if you left now except for a few people (Ladyriku, darthalia). Get out while you have the chance. Do this for Bismarck.