Why do I come to ZAM?Follow

I vaguely remember reading this when it was originally posted, I won't bother doing so again, but I'll put my 2 cents in anyway.



I believe Magil is speaking in general, whereas you're thinking of a specific instance. Go to almost any forum on the internet and it's full of whiny ****** people complaining about anything they can think of, many times admitting they know nothing of what it is they complain about while claiming to know more than the people they whine at. That applies to these boards as well, but the karma system generally does a better job at weeding out the truly ignorant than a typical admin moderated board.

There are a few boards here that have really turned me off, the XI board being one of them. For years I wanted to try XI but didn't for one simple reason, the boards here were so full of incessant moaning I couldn't deal with it. Although last year I found a copy of XI in the bargain bin and grabbed it. Installed it, started it up, then ran into a problem. I went to the XI board and again, the whining and ********* I simply uninstalled and never looked back.

Another example is when SOE was taken offline for a few weeks. I'm no expert as I'm still in school, but I've literally been messing with computers and networks since I was old enough to open a case. InfoSec is not only a career path for me, but a passion. I spent several pages arguing with people who by their own admission knew nothing about a security audit or the steps involved in a large scale system breach like SOE had, yet felt that SOE should have the servers back online within minutes and felt that SOE should come to their door with a hand written apology for interrupting their gaming. I literally find it mind-boggling, trying to understand how such blatantly ignorant ******* people are capable of living day-to-day. I'm no genius, but I at least have enough common sense to figure out what the hell I'm talking about before ******** about something.

As far as ZAM itself, EQ was the last game I played where this site came in handy as far as information. I'd look up a few things on occasion in the other gaming sections, but the info has never been as reliable as it was in Lucy or the Bestiary. I'm not going to point fingers or place blame anywhere, not because I'm better than that, but because it was a series of events. I guess I'm still here because the karma system works for the most part, keeping the idiots from getting too out of control. Also I recognize a lot of the names, and I'd like to think a few recognize mine as well. Having been here since '04 with my post count, it's fairly obvious that I'm a lurker for the most part, but I'm a people watcher too, so there's that.

It's like the old haunt that's past it's prime. You know it's time to go, but you're just not ready to give up your seat.

Not to drag out that dead horse we've been beating over there, but see we do enjoy the game, just not the direction it's taking...
Yea, deny yourself. Trust me, wait for this epic reboot they have been going on about. If it actually is a full rewrite, might make it playable. Otherwise, avoid it like it was X-2 all over again.


It comes and goes in XI boards. There are times when the forum has more positivity, but even I'm willing to admit morale is no where near it was in 2004. Everything was new and shiny then, and people were excited with each acheivement. We're closing on the 10th year now, and the shine has worn off completely, and with it in the hands of a director that led to a mass exodus of players before it definitely is not the time to expect cheery dialogue.

I can assume that when Cataclysm was on the cusp of happening, WoW probably had some similar waves of dissent. Change is not something gamers like, especialy wide-sweeping ones that can change the direction of a game.

Now, as for ZAM... yea I mainly re-up'd premium for ad removal now. I suppose I could take the extra steps and kill the adspace if I wanted to, but then I have this faint hope that supporting the site will help... somehow.

I'd love some new toys for paying, but I don't foresee them being added lol!

Yea, one visit is all it takes to remind me of the crap I would read every other time I would visit that forum. As I said, I wanted to try the game for awhile, so I ventured over there multiple times to get info on the game.

Don't see it in what regards? That people use forums to whine and *****, or that it happens here?

Forums aren't always a never ending pile of crap, but many people tend to forego the niceties and behave like idiots, simply because they can. The guise of anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. The problem extends to the internet as a whole, but forums tend to gather it all in one place.

As far as walking away from XI because of the forums, what's so hard to believe? The forums are a direct indication of the community and I have never been over to the XI side where there weren't several posts of pure crap for no reason other than being pure crap. I'm not saying it's always like that, just that it's what I see every time I go over there. That single instance didn't turn me away, it was the immediate reminder of why I avoided it for so long that did it. Also, my only desire to play XI came from the fact that I'm a long time FF fan and wanted to give it a go.

I didn't mean to imply that the forums themselves were the problem. The problem is the people, the forums are just a place for large groups of people to express themselves.